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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 12:35:26 GMT
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jun 3, 2018 12:55:42 GMT
It would be better all round if the club agreed terms with Deng to release him, enabling other teams to bid for his skills. Some people would love to have his problem given the eye watering salary he's on but I doubt it's how he'd want the next couple of years to pan out.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 3, 2018 16:37:26 GMT
Happens to loads of sportsmen
I can't feel sad for him. He's in a strong position and if he really wants to play basketball its upto him to strike a deal to be paid off etc and move on. Doesn't look like he's been in a hurry to do that.
He's set himself up and his family for an incredibly secure future
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Post by youngrocks on Jun 3, 2018 16:52:21 GMT
He was at the playoff finals. What happened with his relationship with gb? I hope it works out for him and shame he is being used as a pawn in someone's game.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 3, 2018 17:29:10 GMT
He was at the playoff finals. What happened with his relationship with gb? I hope it works out for him and shame he is being used as a pawn in someone's game. Isn't it just a case his current club coaches don't rate him and want to play youth instead and develop a team ?
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Post by connors on Jun 3, 2018 19:30:47 GMT
I agree Hersey that it’s a real shame to end this way. He could be contributing somewhere or even playing in some big games in Euroleague if he fancied a different experience.
I also agree about the tumble weed NBA board. Surely we’re at the point where one forum is all that’s needed and the NBA bit can be a thread just like the NBL one? Gotta be a better idea surely.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 3, 2018 20:35:29 GMT
I agree Hersey that it’s a real shame to end this way. He could be contributing somewhere or even playing in some big games in Euroleague if he fancied a different experience. I also agree about the tumble weed NBA board. Surely we’re at the point where one forum is all that’s needed and the NBA bit can be a thread just like the NBL one? Gotta be a better idea surely. Totallly agree re second part
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Post by jimw on Jun 3, 2018 21:25:07 GMT
Well apart from the long running feud angle, the fact that there's only 1 game every three days atm surely excuses a certainly lack of spontaneity in the NBA side of the board this month?
Meanwhile, Luol. It's tricky for mere mortals to comprehend how making soooo much money for being asked to sit on the sidelines is a problem. But it is to those whose life is defined by competitiveness. I assume it is the same distress that all sportsmen and women apparently feel when having to retire at 35,40, whatever.
"My Id has been defined by my playing sport for the past 20,30 years: Who am I without it?" and other existential crises.
It is hard for us not to say - "pocket the loot, plan for the future, enjoy the ride". Some of us have had to deal with rejection/redundancy without the soft landing of a multi-million dollar payout.
Having said that, I don't think Luol is screaming 'woe is me'. But neither should anyone advise him to give up $20 mil or so just to play ball... imo he's a smart operator: Take the money, spend the time working out your next move, (more Sudanese charity perhaps)and live life without regret.
There's always the pickup game down the park if it means so much.
But I do agree with the above comments re: a waste of talent, a waste of experience, a waste of opportunity. Welcome to the USA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 2:45:28 GMT
Well apart from the long running feud angle There's a feud? I'm intrigued
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 4, 2018 5:52:49 GMT
At the end of the day I would imagine almost every single GB basketball player has a sadder tale than Deng they could describe at some stage.
And would all swap places
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Post by fozzie on Jun 4, 2018 6:55:46 GMT
He could always get a game for the GB team if he wanted to and fancied a run out!
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Post by ko25 on Jun 4, 2018 9:23:53 GMT
He could always get a game for the GB team if he wanted to and fancied a run out! Can he? I thought no one wanted to pay his insurance therefore he couldn't play?
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Post by samgray on Jun 4, 2018 11:16:06 GMT
Surely you don't need to insure something that isn't used?
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Post by bulldog on Jun 4, 2018 12:39:06 GMT
He could always get a game for the GB team if he wanted to and fancied a run out! Can he? I thought no one wanted to pay his insurance therefore he couldn't play? I don't think it's a case of not wanting to pay for his insurance but actually having the money to pay for his insurance. How do other national teams pay for their NBA players to be insured?
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Post by connors on Jun 4, 2018 12:43:11 GMT
"How do other national teams pay for their NBA players to be insured? "
.......by having money in the first place :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 17:34:25 GMT
Things may have changed in the last six years - the NBA have done a good job of ruining international basketball - but when Deng played for GB it wasn't simply a case that we had to pay his insurance. The NBA covered the insurance for all international players except a few (injury-hit) exceptions on a list. Deng was on the list due to his wrist injury, so GB had to pay it - that's why he played in very few warm-up games. No matter than Bulls worked him like a dog, regularly leaving him on the court in garbage time, and that's ignoring the (non) meningitis farce.
I completely get the "ah, he'll live, he's getting rich" idea, I just think it is a terrible waste. He hasn't kicked up a stink publically (I could only find that one interview), he could've kicked up a stink and got told to clear off (on full pay) put he's behaved like a true pro. He comes out of this sorry mess a lot better than Lakers.
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Post by number23 on Jun 5, 2018 7:21:53 GMT
I agree it’s a terrible waste of talent, for someone who has always conducted themselves as a model pro as far as I can tell, and does a lot of good work with the Deng Camps. He’s also one of the few basketball players my football-obsessed friends could name.
Like ko25, I’d assumed insurance was the reason he hadn’t taken the chance to play for GB while in exile, but I don’t know how that works at all. Even if just a contribution/excess is required from the NGB these days though, it’s probably well beyond GB’s means.
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Post by fozzie on Jun 5, 2018 8:47:43 GMT
Things may have changed in the last six years - the NBA have done a good job of ruining international basketball - but when Deng played for GB it wasn't simply a case that we had to pay his insurance. The NBA covered the insurance for all international players except a few (injury-hit) exceptions on a list. Deng was on the list due to his wrist injury, so GB had to pay it - that's why he played in very few warm-up games. No matter than Bulls worked him like a dog, regularly leaving him on the court in garbage time, and that's ignoring the (non) meningitis farce. I completely get the "ah, he'll live, he's getting rich" idea, I just think it is a terrible waste. He hasn't kicked up a stink publically (I could only find that one interview), he could've kicked up a stink and got told to clear off (on full pay) put he's behaved like a true pro. He comes out of this sorry mess a lot better than Lakers. What sort of figure is the insurance? Wouid certainly attract a better crowd if he played - wouid that cover the costs of insurance? Do other sports have the same sort of thing? I can't imagine a small country from Africa paying the insurance of a soccer player if they played for say Madrid or Barcelona?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 9:31:26 GMT
It was a lot of money when GB were (relatively speaking) awash with cash and his wages were lower. I don't believe it's about insurance - lakers would probably let him go, they don't care if it's fit or injured and it's repair the bad press - I think he's done with GB. Six years after London 2012 and there's never been a credible hint he'll play for us again.
Fifa carry a lot of insurance risk for international footballers. I used to go toddler singing with Dean Ashton (name dropping) and when he got crocked training with England it took ages to sort out as there were several different bodies involved
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Post by saintpat on Jun 5, 2018 10:24:48 GMT
I used to go toddler singing Is there no end to your talents!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 16:15:16 GMT
It was a bit surreal, there was me and an England international along with about eight mums and ten toddlers. They'd all sit on the floor and sing nursery rhymes, we had chaise because we were both on crutches so we'd have quiet conversations about football. We did messy play occasionally, as well. What a life.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 16:20:53 GMT
Well apart from the long running feud angle, the fact that there's only 1 game every three days atm surely excuses a certainly lack of spontaneity in the NBA side of the board this month? This month? C'mon Jim, the NBA sub-board is a relic from the previous incarnation of What'sbev, and it was dying on its arse then. It's dead and buried now.
An NBA thread on here would get a far better response, I think we've proved that with the NBL thread. It's not about me and Sam (I know that, deep down, he loves me) it would be good to get some NBA debate going on WB again.
Now, it was 48 hours and one time zone ago since I last plugged my latest ramblings, so here's my latest nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 16:47:13 GMT
I agree re the NBL thread. Not only has it increased posting on that particular topic, but I think it's introduced new people to that particular league and it's nuances.
I'm leaning towards the same with an NBA thread...
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Post by jimw on Jun 5, 2018 16:53:29 GMT
427,
Fair point, well made. Love the blog - and agree that seeing Curry in full flow is what makes the game of basketball a joy. As per ATH: "you may say 'Ha! Lucky!' the first ten time he drops shots like that, but eventually you have to admit he's probably quite good at it". Agree, they will drop one game - in G2 it looked like they were having too much fun not to get a little bit complacent - and then G5 at home for the crown. Again.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 5, 2018 17:05:11 GMT
I agree re the NBL thread. Not only has it increased posting on that particular topic, but I think it's introduced new people to that particular league and it's nuances. I'm leaning towards the same with an NBA thread... If you are going to do it then this week makes sense!
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