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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 22:29:32 GMT
Come on benji let him answer
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Post by faz on Jan 25, 2020 22:31:42 GMT
From the outside I think Bigz summary seems spot on.
I don't believe anyone is pleased that Royals have folded leaving players and staff unemployed and fans without their team.
This would include Hersey whom I guess is just pleased to have acquired a player who should shine in the EBL and keep Leopards in div 1 next year. This doesn't assume he's happy about the circumstances.
Despite them being paid hansomenly by BBL terms I take no satisfaction that the coach, BAM and Hamilton are owed money whether they warranted the salary or not. Equally that the coach left Berking and is now unemployed or that Lawrence whom would proabably have decent gig elsewhere now with other players are unemployed. Just seems incredibly irresponsible to start the season when there was no guarantee or likelihood of fulfilling the contracts. If we're missing something by all means correct our misconceptions.
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Post by abcd123 on Jan 25, 2020 22:33:26 GMT
That's exactly it. The team had apartments rented for them, to bring the Lav Twins families etc. Over too and housing the lot would have cost a lot more than flying them back and forth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 22:38:36 GMT
A ok gotcha, nothing to do to with the fact they had to sign in due to their criminal past every week in their home country. Just didnt want to bring families over.
You dont have a clue
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Post by abcd123 on Jan 25, 2020 22:42:11 GMT
A ok gotcha, nothing to do to with the fact they had to sign in due to their criminal past every week in their home country. Just didnt want to bring families over. You dont have a clue You've done well to believe rumour there. |
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Post by faz on Jan 25, 2020 22:43:47 GMT
A ok gotcha, nothing to do to with the fact they had to sign in due to their criminal past every week in their home country. Just didnt want to bring families over. You dont have a clue You've done well to believe rumour there. So is Bigz interpretation of responsibilities accurate? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 22:46:11 GMT
No rumour, straight from someone who actually was part of royals. Keep your persona if you want tho
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Post by faz on Jan 25, 2020 22:46:14 GMT
Was there any chance they would participate for the whole season?
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Post by abcd123 on Jan 25, 2020 22:46:24 GMT
You've done well to believe rumour there. So is Bigz interpretation of responsibilities accurate? As in the lay of the blame, the three part thing? Probably depends who you ask. In my opinion, from what I saw, yes. |
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Post by abcd123 on Jan 25, 2020 22:47:06 GMT
No rumour, straight from someone who actually was part of royals. Keep your persona if you want tho Whoever that was has lied to you. There were several week the twins didn't return home, for example when they pissed off to China. |
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Post by abcd123 on Jan 25, 2020 22:48:35 GMT
Was there any chance they would participate for the whole season? Yes, at the start of the season investment fell through. There were a lot of positives coming into the season, some near misses signing big players etc. Sadly, things didn't quite work out as planned and spiralled quickly. |
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Post by faz on Jan 25, 2020 22:54:00 GMT
So is Bigz interpretation of responsibilities accurate? As in the lay of the blame, the three part thing? Probably depends who you ask. In my opinion, from what I saw, yes. Shame. Do you see any lasting benefit from the venture apart from Leopards winning more games. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 22:54:44 GMT
China doesnt abide by EU law tho, england does/did.
Absolutely clueless
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Post by abcd123 on Jan 25, 2020 22:55:58 GMT
China doesnt abide by EU law tho, england does/did. Absolutely clueless So they went to China and didn't 'check in' in Lithuania. That was ok? Again, there were several weeks they did not return to Lithuania. |
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Post by faz on Jan 25, 2020 23:02:18 GMT
Congratulations on the W. How did Orlan play? Any increase in attendance?
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Post by samgray on Jan 25, 2020 23:41:30 GMT
How many fans did royals need per week to make themselves sustainable?
Why did they make a business model based upon investment they didn’t already have?
Did they give a contract to British players of 5k + a month?
If so why did the player agents not get assurances this unprecedented amount of money existed
Why did Lloyd take this gig
Has shire took some responsibility?
Why did they sign a player last week?
What’s happening to the academies they “started”?
What role do you have in this?
Why should I believe anything you tell us?
If you are blameless and done a good job do you not think responding to stupid questions on whatsbev might negatively impact your chances of getting a similar role in pro sports?
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Post by abcd123 on Jan 25, 2020 23:57:23 GMT
How many fans did royals need per week to make themselves sustainable? Why did they make a business model based upon investment they didn’t already have? Did they give a contract to British players of 5k + a month? If so why did the player agents not get assurances this unprecedented amount of money existed Why did Lloyd take this gig Has shire took some responsibility? Why did they sign a player last week? What’s happening to the academies they “started”? What role do you have in this? Why should I believe anything you tell us? If you are blameless and done a good job do you not think responding to stupid questions on whatsbev might negatively impact your chances of getting a similar role in pro sports? Even if the Royals sold out every game they wouldn't have been sustainable without additional investment. Naievity, at best. The grand plan sold by *someone* was 1000+ bums on seats each week and investment by a major sports brand. Why an accomplished businessman (who only originally intended to stump up the franchise fee and be a silent investor) would fall for that is beyond me. Yes. The Royals wage bill at that time was around £35000 per month. A significant amount more then the next highest, the Lions. Nhamo Shire and his crew, and their word. All friends at the end of the day. I don't know why Lloyd took the gig, you'd have to ask him. Shire was asked to leave once the extent of the damage he had caused was fully realised. Hence him 'resigning' as a company director last year. Numbers. The player signed was obviously through a connection in Lloyd. Injuries were a significant issue towards the end, with the likes of OJ and Will Neighbour playing through ailments, Matt Scott not playing on agent advice etc. Someone had to take the court. I had no involvement in the academies so couldn't tell you I'm afraid. You don't have to believe anything I say, though I'm sure some of what I say will ring true with some, which will hopefully give some credibility. If not, that's fine. I was not employed by the club, have never and will never be employed in British basketball. |
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Post by faz on Jan 26, 2020 0:03:02 GMT
Was there any chance they would participate for the whole season? Yes, at the start of the season investment fell through. There were a lot of positives coming into the season, some near misses signing big players etc. Sadly, things didn't quite work out as planned and spiralled quickly. So can we take it that the roster and coach were recruited when funds weren't in place to support the recruitment? |
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Post by faz on Jan 26, 2020 0:05:39 GMT
Why wasn't BAM's, Hamiltons and Williams contracts honoured?
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Post by faz on Jan 26, 2020 0:06:21 GMT
Were the players and coach who came in this year aware that the funds were on a promise and not in place?
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Post by faz on Jan 26, 2020 0:06:52 GMT
Was the investment in Tony G regarded as a success?
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Post by abcd123 on Jan 26, 2020 0:10:49 GMT
Yes, at the start of the season investment fell through. There were a lot of positives coming into the season, some near misses signing big players etc. Sadly, things didn't quite work out as planned and spiralled quickly. So can we take it that the roster and coach were recruited when funds weren't in place to support the recruitment? Hard to answer as a whole. Sort of half and half. Several of the players had stayed on from the previous year, they knew exactly what was going on. Other players signed for different reasons, personal reasons, such as Will Saunders. The coach, I don't know. |
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Post by abcd123 on Jan 26, 2020 0:14:36 GMT
Why wasn't BAM's, Hamiltons and Williams contracts honoured? Because it was realised quickly after signing that they were heavily inflated. Efforts were made to renegotiate the contracts with (obviously) no success. Those involved had every right to expect the money they signed the contract for, however Sawyer was naive and believed those figures to be standard contracts at this level. When he realised that wasn't the case, he tried to renegotiate and failed. Those issued were still being battled out at the very end. That was part of the reason for Shire being asked to leave. He sorted his mates out with ridiculous contracts. |
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Post by abcd123 on Jan 26, 2020 0:15:22 GMT
Were the players and coach who came in this year aware that the funds were on a promise and not in place? I doubt it. Wasn't in the meetings so can't say. |
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Post by saintpat on Jan 26, 2020 0:34:35 GMT
Why wasn't BAM's, Hamiltons and Williams contracts honoured? Because it was realised quickly after signing that they were heavily inflated. Efforts were made to renegotiate the contracts with (obviously) no success. Those involved had every right to expect the money they signed the contract for, however Sawyer was naive and believed those figures to be standard contracts at this level. When he realised that wasn't the case, he tried to renegotiate and failed. Those issued were still being battled out at the very end. That was part of the reason for Shire being asked to leave. He sorted his mates out with ridiculous contracts. I'm sorry, so Sawyer realised they were ridiculous contracts & got rid of Nhamo. Yet Sawyer was still attempting to offer ' ridiculous contracts' for players this season, whose fault was it this year? If some of the players offered ' ridiculous contracts' this season had actually signed I doubt Royals would have got through to November! Were the Lav twins playing for small amounts of money & paying their own airfare? Was the Lithuanian manager they brought over at the same time being paid a low wage? I doubt any of those is the case & he probably spent (in BBL terms) a very large sum of money on that particular circus, yet some people seem to be trying to say it's all Nhamo's fault! Sawyer made the situation worse this season, the only attempt to curtail the spending was to not honour the previous years contracts and not pay players for this year's ones! |
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