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Post by baldeagle on Mar 7, 2020 8:49:51 GMT
Actually, INF, I think that’s one of the first times I have watched a Riders game in recent years and watch them blow a winning position without the opposition doing anything special. If I were you I would be afraid. Very afraid.
But maybe not as afraid as the Eagles bench come the summer cull.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 9:20:03 GMT
Actually, INF, I think that’s one of the first times I have watched a Riders game in recent years and watch them blow a winning position without the opposition doing anything special. If I were you I would be afraid. Very afraid. But maybe not as afraid as the Eagles bench come the summer cull. It's not rebuild number 6 in a row is it? That's where your problem lies Every season the only player you want to keep is Fletch! (Defoe and Lasker are just part of the furniture now)
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Post by jumbo on Mar 7, 2020 9:25:00 GMT
Actually, INF, I think that’s one of the first times I have watched a Riders game in recent years and watch them blow a winning position without the opposition doing anything special You obviously didn't watch us chuck away double digit second half leads against Cheshire or Rocks earlier on the league season. Or let a near 20 point advantage in the first leg of the cup semi get cut down to a one shot game. We were also lucky to escape with a win last week after watching a 20+ point lead against an under strength sharks team get back to a one possession game. Blowing comfortable positions has been a bit of a theme this year. Something we've not been guilty of so much in recent seasons. Has been a trademark of recent Riders teams, and all really good teams to be honest, to win games you look like you're going to lose. Not the other way round. Definitely missing the impact of leaders such as those mentioned earlier in the thread.
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Post by stevetino on Mar 7, 2020 10:21:43 GMT
What happened to finding another way to win?
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Post by dyb dyb on Mar 7, 2020 10:24:07 GMT
It's not too long ago, a couple of weeks ago, a 6 nil run? That we were told by no unknown means how wonderful this Riders teams is, how great they are, great D, great bench full of players that could very easily make the starting 5, some bench players even better than the starters. How comes questions are now been asked? I still rate them and think that they'll finish 2nd behind Lions with perhaps Rocks 3rd. We will get to playoff final. Be underdogs. And then win with loads to spare. Really? Is that it? A great team like this winning the play offs. Not really good enough is it. Mind you knocked out of the cup and trophy way too early so there's not a lot left to play for. Pretty much the same as us and other mediocre teams.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 10:28:06 GMT
We will get to playoff final. Be underdogs. And then win with loads to spare. Really? Is that it? A great team like this winning the play offs. Not really good enough is it. Mind you knocked out of the cup and trophy way too early so there's not a lot left to play for. Pretty much the same as us and other mediocre teams. Last year we ended the season as the best team. This year we will do the same. Rob improves teams. It takes time. Our players then go off and reap the rewards in Europe. And Rob has to do it all over again with a new group. Victims of our own success.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 11:18:02 GMT
Without Mo Walker I can't see us winning silverware this season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 13:06:17 GMT
Really? Is that it? A great team like this winning the play offs. Not really good enough is it. Mind you knocked out of the cup and trophy way too early so there's not a lot left to play for. Pretty much the same as us and other mediocre teams. Last year we ended the season as the best team. This year we will do the same. Rob improves teams. It takes time. Our players then go off and reap the rewards in Europe. And a Rob has to do it all over again with a new group. Victims of our own success. Every team has players go off into Europe...
You can finish it the best team all you like but you gotta be able to do it all year long if it's going to matter in a league where the main championship isn't the playoffs.
Sorry (not really), but you gotta come back down to Earth sooner or later.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 13:13:07 GMT
Last year we ended the season as the best team. This year we will do the same. Rob improves teams. It takes time. Our players then go off and reap the rewards in Europe. And a Rob has to do it all over again with a new group. Victims of our own success. Every team has players go off into Europe...
You can finish it the best team all you like but you gotta be able to do it all year long if it's going to matter in a league where the main championship isn't the playoffs.
Sorry (not really), but you gotta come back down to Earth sooner or later.
well I would stake my entire reputation ! (lol) that if every club listed the players that have left them either for better things or retired at the top in the last 4 years that our list is twice if not three times as long as anybody else's in BBL im talking top players you make good offers to keep and you really want to stay at your club but cant persuade them to stay i will tell you one thing, there won't be many players on the list for Eagles last four years that's for sure.
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Post by stevetino on Mar 7, 2020 13:15:00 GMT
What reputation? 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 13:30:45 GMT
Every team has players go off into Europe...
You can finish it the best team all you like but you gotta be able to do it all year long if it's going to matter in a league where the main championship isn't the playoffs.
Sorry (not really), but you gotta come back down to Earth sooner or later.
well I would stake my entire reputation ! (lol) that if every club listed the players that have left them either for better things or retired at the top in the last 4 years that our list is twice if not three times as long as anybody else's in BBL im talking top players you make good offers to keep and you really want to stay at your club but cant persuade them to stay i will tell you one thing, there won't be many players on the list for Eagles last four years that's for sure. Maybe instead of stacking players on players on players get some who might wanna stick around? One thing that struck me is that the Riders bench is very deep but that brings along problems of it's own.
- Firstly, you're paying a lot of money out (which then may effect future season's budget).
- Second, you have to try give all of those guys minutes, which if you're disrupting your line-up constantly it's going to lead to inconsistencies. If you do find a way to make it work by giving some players heavy minutes you then run the risk of a disgruntled player who know he could start at another team in the league. Cartwright should be playing more than 23m, Ward-Hibbert more than 19m, Spencer more than 17m, Nelson-Henry more than 27m (when your back-up is Andy Thomson).
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 13:37:56 GMT
Since 2016 successful players we've had to replace
Our list:
Imports we wanted to sign or keep who left us or retired
Tyler Bernardini Trayvonn Wright (when in prime) Brandon Clark (first time he left) Pierre Hampton Taylor king JR holder Deandre burnett Tim Williams
Brits who left us or retired any bbl club would want on their bench at least:
Raheem May Thompson Drew sullivan Shane walker Conner washington (left twice now) Jamel Anderson Kiefer douse
and counting
Interested to see other lists
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 13:38:23 GMT
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 13:39:23 GMT
well I would stake my entire reputation ! (lol) that if every club listed the players that have left them either for better things or retired at the top in the last 4 years that our list is twice if not three times as long as anybody else's in BBL im talking top players you make good offers to keep and you really want to stay at your club but cant persuade them to stay i will tell you one thing, there won't be many players on the list for Eagles last four years that's for sure. Maybe instead of stacking players on players on players get some who might wanna stick around? One thing that struck me is that the Riders bench is very deep but that brings along problems of it's own.
- Firstly, you're paying a lot of money out (which then may effect future season's budget).
- Second, you have to try give all of those guys minutes, which if you're disrupting your line-up constantly it's going to lead to inconsistencies. If you do find a way to make it work by giving some players heavy minutes you then run the risk of a disgruntled player who know he could start at another team in the league. Cartwright should be playing more than 23m, Ward-Hibbert more than 19m, Spencer more than 17m, Nelson-Henry more than 27m (when your back-up is Andy Thomson).
It's a proven formula that delivers. You need to be advising other coaches what they should do RSV. Ours knows what he's doing. He's probably the most knowledgeable guy in British basketball. Let's be honest about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 13:42:49 GMT
Maybe instead of stacking players on players on players get some who might wanna stick around? One thing that struck me is that the Riders bench is very deep but that brings along problems of it's own.
- Firstly, you're paying a lot of money out (which then may effect future season's budget).
- Second, you have to try give all of those guys minutes, which if you're disrupting your line-up constantly it's going to lead to inconsistencies. If you do find a way to make it work by giving some players heavy minutes you then run the risk of a disgruntled player who know he could start at another team in the league. Cartwright should be playing more than 23m, Ward-Hibbert more than 19m, Spencer more than 17m, Nelson-Henry more than 27m (when your back-up is Andy Thomson).
It's a proven formula that delivers. You need to be advising other coaches what they should do RSV. Ours knows what he's doing. He's probably the most knowledgeable guy in British basketball. Let's be honest about it. Certainly delivered over the last two games.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 13:48:47 GMT
It's a proven formula that delivers. You need to be advising other coaches what they should do RSV. Ours knows what he's doing. He's probably the most knowledgeable guy in British basketball. Let's be honest about it. Certainly delivered over the last two games. Quick lets sack the coach! he was coach of the month in Feb ! Lol you need to become a football fan RSV if you want to judge a coach on two bad games in a row?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 14:17:20 GMT
Certainly delivered over the last two games. Quick lets sack the coach! he was coach of the month in Feb ! Lol you need to become a football fan RSV if you want to judge a coach on two bad games in a row? Problem is, those games could ultimately cost you the season.
I've also never said a word about the coach himself, whenever I've met him he seemed a good guy, just the rotation seems to be a problem... But it's kind of a forced problem due to the excess of players wanting starter minutes.
I like Jordan Spencer, don't get me wrong, but would Leicester be much worse off (budget included) spreading his 17 minutes by giving 10 of them to Cartwright and 7 to Rema?
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 14:24:03 GMT
Quick lets sack the coach! he was coach of the month in Feb ! Lol you need to become a football fan RSV if you want to judge a coach on two bad games in a row? Problem is, those games could ultimately cost you the season.
I've also never said a word about the coach himself, whenever I've met him he seemed a good guy, just the rotation seems to be a problem... But it's kind of a forced problem due to the excess of players wanting starter minutes.
I like Jordan Spencer, don't get me wrong, but would Leicester be much worse off (budget included) spreading his 17 minutes by giving 10 of them to Cartwright and 7 to Rema?
He's better than Rema and when he's on he adds a different threat than Cartwright. He's really impressed me. Wasn't so sure when we signed him. But he's quality.
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Post by dyb dyb on Mar 7, 2020 14:59:40 GMT
Really? Is that it? A great team like this winning the play offs. Not really good enough is it. Mind you knocked out of the cup and trophy way too early so there's not a lot left to play for. Pretty much the same as us and other mediocre teams. Last year we ended the season as the best team. This year we will do the same. Rob improves teams. It takes time. Our players then go off and reap the rewards in Europe. And Rob has to do it all over again with a new group. Victims of our own success. And he turns water into wine... How many teams, us included have to 'rebuild' every season? Keeping a hard core of players is seen as been fantastic. Much of this however is down to players contracts and more to the point the length of them. I would say most are 12 months (1 season ), 2 seasons rare, and beyond that pretty unknown. Whether players go abroad, europe or wherever will depend on their 'success ' in the BBL. Many imports we see haven't made the grade at home will use the BBL as a stepping stone to further their careers and aid a move into Europe. I've also no doubt players will currently see playing for a successful, silverware winning team as a good launch pad. One of my experiences of something like this is a very good, in form Rob Yanders having a very good time with us but was only offered 12 months contracts, after 3 years he made the move to the Rocks for a much better, longer contract. He went on to play well for the Rocks and is still liked up there for what he did for them. Deadline day as gone for this season so what you've got is what's you've got. Is only winning the play offs something to boast about after the preening that we've heard upto only a week ago. Yes, for a team like us, winning one piece of silver ware is an achievement and to be aimed for (I know this unsettles some shark fans that remembers the good old days of when sharks were the dominent team) but for Riders surely their target/expectation was for a lot, lot more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 15:24:30 GMT
Problem is, those games could ultimately cost you the season.
I've also never said a word about the coach himself, whenever I've met him he seemed a good guy, just the rotation seems to be a problem... But it's kind of a forced problem due to the excess of players wanting starter minutes.
I like Jordan Spencer, don't get me wrong, but would Leicester be much worse off (budget included) spreading his 17 minutes by giving 10 of them to Cartwright and 7 to Rema?
He's better than Rema and when he's on he adds a different threat than Cartwright. He's really impressed me. Wasn't so sure when we signed him. But he's quality. Yes, he is better than Rema and is a good player but could Cartwright get more going and build more consistecy with 32 minutes instead of 22 and just have Rema fill the gaps? Is the difference so far apart that it's genuinely worth the extra money?
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Post by massiveridersfan on Mar 8, 2020 13:35:15 GMT
He's better than Rema and when he's on he adds a different threat than Cartwright. He's really impressed me. Wasn't so sure when we signed him. But he's quality. Yes, he is better than Rema and is a good player but could Cartwright get more going and build more consistecy with 32 minutes instead of 22 and just have Rema fill the gaps? Is the difference so far apart that it's genuinely worth the extra money? I'm hoping we can retain Cartwright but think it's unlikely. So many rookie USA imports go off to play in Europe if they've impressed in the BBL. Moreover, he has struggled with injuries a bit at times. However, Spencer is British and a player who can make a long term impact for Riders. I am delighted he signed for us and want to keep him. The difficult trick will be to retain him for next season and beyond.
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Post by mikevigorfanclub on Mar 8, 2020 21:19:29 GMT
Anyone know how Flyers got on....two team’s played didn't they? 😜😜😜
RSV - what’s your view on Lockett so far? Tough gig replacing Fred Thomas-Dunk, but I reckon he’s fitted in really well. I like his intensity on defence and looks like he got good reach and quick enough reactions to get in their face and track them as they move off him. He’s got some valuable points too seeing as he probably doesn’t know the plays yet.
Think we’ve done really well to get someone in late in the window and get him up to speed pretty quickly, especially when you think he’s replacing a top player.
Did worry about season falling away, but we are very much in the mix.
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