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Post by stevetino on Mar 8, 2020 20:29:41 GMT
Paul Blake should have made the change after our catastrophic second half of the Cup campaign. It was clear to see as far back as then that there was no structure, no plan b and that the players dont buy into his philosophy. I actually think this is a fairly talented roster. If I was offered 8th now and a guaranteed play off position I'd take it. They have clearly written off the season ensuring CJ IS fit forbthevtrophybfinal otherwise it’s game over |
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Post by dyb dyb on Mar 8, 2020 20:42:29 GMT
Says everything, not surprised in the least this eagles team picked up another BIG L Have you seen those Eagles/Sharks stats put up by Dan the man on Twitter? |
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Post by gloryeagle on Mar 8, 2020 20:44:58 GMT
Paul Blake should have made the change after our catastrophic second half of the Cup campaign. It was clear to see as far back as then that there was no structure, no plan b and that the players dont buy into his philosophy. I actually think this is a fairly talented roster. If I was offered 8th now and a guaranteed play off position I'd take it. They have clearly written off the season ensuring CJ IS fit forbthevtrophybfinal otherwise it’s game over Pathetic. |
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Post by erd87 on Mar 8, 2020 20:52:52 GMT
Fully expected to get beat tonight and didn't think it would be as close as how it ended. This weekend has left us pretty much where I think we deserve to be in the league now, and our run in doesn't get much easier for the rest of the season.
As I've said after Friday, this season is a write off apart from the Trophy and I really hope some big changes can be made in the summer. We look so light in the coaching department, and whether that means adding to our existing staff or something more drastic I don't know. I was hopeful this would work out at the start of the season when Fab left, but for many reasons it's been a disaster. Losses aren't the problem, it's the manner of them which is just unacceptable and there seems to be so little energy or enthusiasm comes from the bench.
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Post by minty on Mar 8, 2020 21:05:11 GMT
Can’t believe fab signed these players
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Post by sharkfan on Mar 8, 2020 21:25:02 GMT
You have a problem and its not Fabs recruiting
Your coach doesn't know how to run a rotation and there seems to be no basic organisation to make best use of your players, shame really
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Post by stevetino on Mar 8, 2020 21:38:55 GMT
Fully expected to get beat tonight and didn't think it would be as close as how it ended. This weekend has left us pretty much where I think we deserve to be in the league now, and our run in doesn't get much easier for the rest of the season. As I've said after Friday, this season is a write off apart from the Trophy and I really hope some big changes can be made in the summer. We look so light in the coaching department, and whether that means adding to our existing staff or something more drastic I don't know. I was hopeful this would work out at the start of the season when Fab left, but for many reasons it's been a disaster. Losses aren't the problem, it's the manner of them which is just unacceptable and there seems to be so little energy or enthusiasm comes from the bench. Completely agree mate, many problems to address |
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Post by gloryeagle on Mar 8, 2020 21:47:13 GMT
Losses aren't the problem, it's the manner of them which is just unacceptable and there seems to be so little energy or enthusiasm comes from the bench. Absolutely. I really don't think we've got a bad group of players either as a poster above suggested. We've addressed shortcomings we've had in recent seasons but don't deploy the personnel efficiently to exploit teams. I've been critical of Ian for longer than most but one thing in his defence I think he's have benefited from an additional AC as Fab had for last few years. Surprised we didn't look to that. |
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Post by gloryeagle on Mar 8, 2020 22:01:43 GMT
You have a problem and its not Fabs recruiting Your coach doesn't know how to run a rotation and there seems to be no basic organisation to make best use of your players, shame really And that's been the case all season. Rewind to Sharks at home in the Cup. Off the top of my head I don't have the figures but we were up 15 points or so. He sits Mitchell who's had a barnstorming game with 5 minutes to go and the win slides away as he stands there emotionless. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 8, 2020 22:26:19 GMT
Would just like to point out that in the last few years you've had countless toothless performances from Eagles. Where you all questioned the desire and or discipline of the players or both.
Not ONCE did any of you blame the coach. Not ONCE. You always blamed the players. The coach was beyond reproach.
Yet now you've got a new coach you blame the coach - it's ok now to blame the coach?
Am I wrong?
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Post by stevetino on Mar 8, 2020 22:44:14 GMT
Would just like to point out that in the last few years you've had countless toothless performances from Eagles. Where you all questioned the desire and or discipline of the players or both. Not ONCE did any of you blame the coach. Not ONCE. You always blamed the players. The coach was beyond reproach. Yet now you've got a new coach you blame the coach - it's ok now to blame the coach? Am I wrong? Yes you are wrong, I questioned fab many times, plenty thought the opposite mind |
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Post by baldereagle on Mar 9, 2020 8:31:39 GMT
Fab was the great if not the greatest motivator but was never as strong a tactician. He loved to motivate by example on the court, but was increasingly in denial about his ageing body, which certainly contributed to Eagles recent disappointments.
We all hoped Ian had picked up on this and with DaveF’s help introduced more tactical thinking, but the results are there on court for all to see
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Post by D44 on Mar 9, 2020 14:40:57 GMT
Would just like to point out that in the last few years you've had countless toothless performances from Eagles. Where you all questioned the desire and or discipline of the players or both. Not ONCE did any of you blame the coach. Not ONCE. You always blamed the players. The coach was beyond reproach. Yet now you've got a new coach you blame the coach - it's ok now to blame the coach? Am I wrong? Yes you are wrong, I questioned fab many times, plenty thought the opposite mind When a coach has had more success than failure they earn the right to be given the benefit of the doubt that they know what their doing. And in all fairness the recruitment has been poor for a few years now. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Mar 9, 2020 15:26:12 GMT
Find the recruitment of Eagles a bit surprising given they seem on a very sound financial footing. Perhaps now the arena is bedded in and tickets are selling well their fans can look forward to next season with some optimism? Moreover, you could win silverware this season which is more than can be said for Riders atm.
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Post by dyb dyb on Mar 9, 2020 15:30:33 GMT
We do not need to go any deeper than 7 to win games Nuff said I think that depends on so many different things. One is Mackey being able to play 30+ minutes on court. Strength and depth of the oppositions bench; being able to rest, refreshen things up Foul trouble! Only takes one or two players to get into foul trouble and the game can change. We've missed Lewis too often because of fouls, Bennett suffers too. Look what happened to Newcastle whilst Defoe was sat. Although perhaps not as good as the starting 5, players Marko give players like Mackey a rest. If we could bring in better, that would be great. |
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Post by dyb dyb on Mar 9, 2020 15:37:36 GMT
Just checked the records - Eagles have always been top 3 since 2004 and top 6 since 1999 - Top 3 ain't going to happen and top 6 is looking doubtful, unless there are more surprises. That's now our main hope, given the number of surprises so far this season ! It happens to the best of us. You're be getting fans talking about how things used be, and how what's his name would have / have not done things; all heading your way. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 9, 2020 15:48:28 GMT
Fab was the great if not the greatest motivator but was never as strong a tactician. He loved to motivate by example on the court, but was increasingly in denial about his ageing body, which certainly contributed to Eagles recent disappointments. We all hoped Ian had picked up on this and with DaveF’s help introduced more tactical thinking, but the results are there on court for all to see Yes a greatly motivated person himself. And as an individual unquestionable. One of the greatest players and personalities ever in BBL But over the last few seasons it wasn't just tactics that were lacking at eagles - desire and work ethic were The players didn't match Fabs work ethic when he was there. And he didnt have a way to get it out of them Some of the things you guys are describing now you see on court have been on court for 3 or 4 years now And my observation is the knives are out for the new coach but you are just seeing the same things almost exactly you've seen that least few seasons IMO This isn't eagles going backwards since Fab left It's just them staying the same IMO Losing Fab was an opportunity for sure in the end. But eagles haven't taken it. |
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Mar 9, 2020 17:55:16 GMT
Not sure it's really all that fair to heap blame on MacLeod for Eagles' current situation. The last four years under Fab were pretty forgettable. And I strongly suspect that had his move to Toronto been finalised earlier in the off-season, MacLeod would never even have ended up in the job. Given that Fab's departure was apparently not confirmed until five minutes before the season started I think that promoting from within was the right thing to do. But an existing assistant with, to my knowledge, no previous head coaching (or playing) experience at professional level was never likely to transform the fortunes of a club that has been disappointing on the court for half a decade. Particularly not in the space of six months, with a squad he probably had little say in recruiting.
I think the guy's had the look of an interim appointment from the start and was unlikely to remain in the role beyond this season almost regardless of how things went. Assuming that is the case it's certainly an important off-season coming up for Eagles. The club's been in need of a fresh face with some new ideas for a while in my view. If it doesn't happen this summer I don't know when it will.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Mar 10, 2020 8:13:36 GMT
Not sure it's really all that fair to heap blame on MacLeod for Eagles' current situation. The last four years under Fab were pretty forgettable. And I strongly suspect that had his move to Toronto been finalised earlier in the off-season, MacLeod would never even have ended up in the job. Given that Fab's departure was apparently not confirmed until five minutes before the season started I think that promoting from within was the right thing to do. But an existing assistant with, to my knowledge, no previous head coaching (or playing) experience at professional level was never likely to transform the fortunes of a club that has been disappointing on the court for half a decade. Particularly not in the space of six months, with a squad he probably had little say in recruiting. I think the guy's had the look of an interim appointment from the start and was unlikely to remain in the role beyond this season almost regardless of how things went. Assuming that is the case it's certainly an important off-season coming up for Eagles. The club's been in need of a fresh face with some new ideas for a while in my view. If it doesn't happen this summer I don't know when it will. Mr Forrester has many qualities and skills, however the thought of him playing professional basketball is one to smile st. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 10, 2020 9:07:09 GMT
Not sure it's really all that fair to heap blame on MacLeod for Eagles' current situation. The last four years under Fab were pretty forgettable. And I strongly suspect that had his move to Toronto been finalised earlier in the off-season, MacLeod would never even have ended up in the job. Given that Fab's departure was apparently not confirmed until five minutes before the season started I think that promoting from within was the right thing to do. But an existing assistant with, to my knowledge, no previous head coaching (or playing) experience at professional level was never likely to transform the fortunes of a club that has been disappointing on the court for half a decade. Particularly not in the space of six months, with a squad he probably had little say in recruiting. I think the guy's had the look of an interim appointment from the start and was unlikely to remain in the role beyond this season almost regardless of how things went. Assuming that is the case it's certainly an important off-season coming up for Eagles. The club's been in need of a fresh face with some new ideas for a while in my view. If it doesn't happen this summer I don't know when it will. Mr Forrester has many qualities and skills, however the thought of him playing professional basketball is one to smile st. Budget should still be available for a more experienced coach. Fab will have been on top wages for BBL |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Mar 10, 2020 9:39:11 GMT
If Eagles win a trophy this season then I think they'll still appoint a new coach. They have a great facility in the arena and a really loyal fan base who turn out regularly for their team. I imagine there'll be a clear out of faces on the roster but the money should be there to rebuild a formidable team.
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Post by minty on Mar 10, 2020 18:40:26 GMT
We can only hope you are right
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