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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Mar 7, 2020 10:42:07 GMT
For a good few years the dreaded games for all other clubs has been the games against Eagles and Riders. Last night is a example of the end of the fear factor that those two teams have had over the league. Are they poor than previous years? Are the coaches up to the job? Are their current crop of players over the hill or aren't they capable of climbing the heights their supporters have come to expect?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 10:58:43 GMT
The guy at Eagles was never going to be up to the same standard as Fab was.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 11:30:56 GMT
Aprt from Thomson I don't think it's possible to describe Riders as having an 'over the hill' roster. Very young team which would be better next season because of their experience this year IF they all remained. Realistically, that won't happen.
The days of 2 teams fighting each other for silverware are already over imo. Wolves, Lions and Rocks all look improved.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 11:37:18 GMT
The guy at Eagles was never going to be up to the same standard as Fab was. Eagles have been crap last 5 years. They ended year before Charles Smith retired. When he started to fade so did they. Fab didn't have the answers himself so don't blame it all on the new coach or try and ignore the last 5 years of failure at eagles They've been same since Charles Smith fell away Let's be honest Riders and Rob not in that situation or even remotely close to it Eagles problems run far deeper than trying to blame it on the new coach They have zero development plan and they don't improve or develop players and haven't for 5 years |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 11:46:11 GMT
IRF, you seem to be very down on Eagles but I'm curious what you think needs improving with Riders. Do you recognise any of these traits?
Can't maintain leads.
Don't defend nearly well enough consistently.
Struggle to score for significant periods in games.
Commit too many turnovers.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 12:42:55 GMT
IRF, you seem to be very down on Eagles but I'm curious what you think needs improving with Riders. Do you recognise any of these traits? Can't maintain leads. Don't defend nearly well enough consistently. Struggle to score for significant periods in games. Commit too many turnovers. in the last five years we have blips all the time and come back stronger. Same will happen again MRF. weve been doubted so many times and Rob always delivers in the end. I cannot believe he's even being doubted? Most are doing it with a smile on their face and for fun. Don't get dragged in in the last five years Rob has built and then rebuilt again and again. Poor guy keeps having to rebuild for the right reasons. He finds and develops players and showcases them and they go on to bigger and better leagues etc based on their success with us. Or retire happy on a winning note. other teams don't do that. They just fail and try again and again. They keep players that fail or have to replace for the wrong reason look at last season. We were the best team with a bit to spare at the end of the season. We lose Holder, Tim Williams and Washington. Top players at this level. Williams would have been MVP this season the way he finished last season. Mo walker a huge loss for us all season this year there really is nothing to worry about. The time to worry is if we ever have to replace Rob. Simple as that. Be careful what you wish for ! |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 12:45:55 GMT
IRF, you seem to be very down on Eagles but I'm curious what you think needs improving with Riders. Do you recognise any of these traits? Can't maintain leads. Don't defend nearly well enough consistently. Struggle to score for significant periods in games. Commit too many turnovers. Not down on Eagles. Just saying in all honesty there is zero comparison to be made. Any Eagles fan being honest knows that. We aren't remotely in their situation. They've got long standing issues to solve and don't know how to and have repeated the same mistakes season after season. Tbf this coach has potentially improved Eagles on fabs recent form as they may actually win their first trophy for a while. They are miles away from challenging for the league again though |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 12:59:15 GMT
IRF, you seem to be very down on Eagles but I'm curious what you think needs improving with Riders. Do you recognise any of these traits? Can't maintain leads. Don't defend nearly well enough consistently. Struggle to score for significant periods in games. Commit too many turnovers. in the last five years we have blips all the time and come back stronger. Same will happen again MRF. weve been doubted so many times and Rob always delivers in the end. I cannot believe he's even being doubted? Most are doing it with a smile on their face and for fun. Don't get dragged in in the last five years Rob has built and then rebuilt again and again. Poor guy keeps having to rebuild for the right reasons. He finds and develops players and showcases them and they go on to bigger and better leagues etc based on their success with us. Or retire happy on a winning note. other teams don't do that. They just fail and try again and again. They keep players that fail or have to replace for the wrong reason look at last season. We were the best team with a bit to spare at the end of the season. We lose Holder, Tim Williams and Washington. Top players at this level. Williams would have been MVP this season the way he finished last season. Mo walker a huge loss for us all season this year there really is nothing to worry about. The time to worry is if we ever have to replace Rob. Simple as that. Be careful what you wish for ! The one thing I have always maintained is that Rob is the most important person at Riders and we need to keep him. Never wavered on that or suggested otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 12:59:35 GMT
IRF, you seem to be very down on Eagles but I'm curious what you think needs improving with Riders. Do you recognise any of these traits? Can't maintain leads. Don't defend nearly well enough consistently. Struggle to score for significant periods in games. Commit too many turnovers. in the last five years we have blips all the time and come back stronger. Same will happen again MRF. weve been doubted so many times and Rob always delivers in the end. I cannot believe he's even being doubted? Most are doing it with a smile on their face and for fun. Don't get dragged in in the last five years Rob has built and then rebuilt again and again. Poor guy keeps having to rebuild for the right reasons. He finds and develops players and showcases them and they go on to bigger and better leagues etc based on their success with us. Or retire happy on a winning note. other teams don't do that. They just fail and try again and again. They keep players that fail or have to replace for the wrong reason look at last season. We were the best team with a bit to spare at the end of the season. We lose Holder, Tim Williams and Washington. Top players at this level. Williams would have been MVP this season the way he finished last season. Mo walker a huge loss for us all season this year there really is nothing to worry about. The time to worry is if we ever have to replace Rob. Simple as that. Be careful what you wish for ! Didn't you tell us they were DEFINITELY going to win two trophies. Then got knocked out of the trophy, then it was still definite because of the league and playoffs, now it's just the playoffs? |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 13:03:50 GMT
in the last five years we have blips all the time and come back stronger. Same will happen again MRF. weve been doubted so many times and Rob always delivers in the end. I cannot believe he's even being doubted? Most are doing it with a smile on their face and for fun. Don't get dragged in in the last five years Rob has built and then rebuilt again and again. Poor guy keeps having to rebuild for the right reasons. He finds and  develops players and showcases them and they go on to bigger and better leagues etc based on their success with us. Or retire happy on a winning note. other teams don't do that. They just fail and try again and again. They keep players that fail or have to replace for the wrong reason look at last season. We were the best team with a bit to spare at the end of the season. We lose Holder, Tim Williams and Washington. Top players at this level. Williams would have been MVP this season the way he finished last season. Mo walker a huge loss for us all season this year there really is nothing to worry about. The time to worry is if we ever have to replace Rob. Simple as that. Be careful what you wish for ! Didn't you tell us they were DEFINITELY going to win two trophies. Then got knocked out of the trophy, then it was still definite because of the league and playoffs, now it's just the playoffs? That's just fan talk Alongside fan talk I do realistic talk as well We were struggling most of last season. By the end of the season we won the playoffs as easy as any team has ever won them Like I say victims of our own success almost every season we seem to lose 2 or 3 top players for BBL And have to go back to the drawing board. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 13:12:09 GMT
Didn't you tell us they were DEFINITELY going to win two trophies. Then got knocked out of the trophy, then it was still definite because of the league and playoffs, now it's just the playoffs? That's just fan talk Alongside fan talk I do realistic talk as well We were struggling most of last season. By the end of the season we won the playoffs as easy as any team has ever won them Like I say victims of our own success almost every season we seem to lose 2 or 3 top players for BBL And have to go back to the drawing board. Every team loses personnel.
Don't make it out to be that Leicester have issues that nobody else has.
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Post by stevetino on Mar 7, 2020 13:18:33 GMT
IRF, you seem to be very down on Eagles but I'm curious what you think needs improving with Riders. Do you recognise any of these traits? Can't maintain leads. Don't defend nearly well enough consistently. Struggle to score for significant periods in games. Commit too many turnovers. Always talking about eagles his fav subject 🤣 |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 13:43:45 GMT
That's just fan talk Alongside fan talk I do realistic talk as well We were struggling most of last season. By the end of the season we won the playoffs as easy as any team has ever won them Like I say victims of our own success almost every season we seem to lose 2 or 3 top players for BBL And have to go back to the drawing board. Every team loses personnel.
Don't make it out to be that Leicester have issues that nobody else has.
Newcastle losing their coach was actually an opprtunity for a proper rebuild and change of approach they failed to take the opportunity. I've given my riders list. It dwarfs yours. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 13:45:56 GMT
IRF, you seem to be very down on Eagles but I'm curious what you think needs improving with Riders. Do you recognise any of these traits? Can't maintain leads. Don't defend nearly well enough consistently. Struggle to score for significant periods in games. Commit too many turnovers. Always talking about eagles his fav subject 🤣 Here's your chance to talk about Eagles. Let's see your list of players that you've had to replace since 2016 you wanted to keep? Imports and brits? it will show you how bad your player recruitment and development has been for years if you try to make the list steve im actually trying to help you see the light here |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 13:54:08 GMT
Since 2016 successful players we've had to replace
Our list:
Imports we wanted to sign or keep who left us or retired
Tyler Bernardini
Trayvonn Wright (when in prime)
Brandon Clark (first time he left)
Pierre Hampton
Taylor king
JR holder
Deandre burnett
Tim Williams
Brits who left us or retired any bbl club would want on their bench at least:
Raheem May Thompson
Drew sullivan
Shane walker
Conner washington (left twice now)
Jamel Anderson
Kiefer douse
and counting
Interested to see other lists
Apologies if I've missed any Riders players. I would say harrison gamble could be on there as well. He would certainly improve a few current benches in terms of Brit players
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 14:13:28 GMT
Burnett and Williams were there for five minutes each and knew that was going to be the case. Holder, Hampton and Wright were all dropping in performance level. Bernardini was retiring and you knew it was coming.
If you're not going to plan ahead it's your own problem.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 14:50:18 GMT
Burnett and Williams were there for five minutes each and knew that was going to be the case. If they hadn't done well for us and been such a success they wouldn't have the chance to move on. We made Williams a brilliant offer to stay. He just got an even better one elsewhere So no they weren't 5 minute only players. We wanted them for longer. But they come to us. They shine and they move onwards and upwards. Still waiting for lists. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 15:07:15 GMT
IRF, you seem to be very down on Eagles but I'm curious what you think needs improving with Riders. Do you recognise any of these traits? Can't maintain leads. Don't defend nearly well enough consistently. Struggle to score for significant periods in games. Commit too many turnovers. Always talking about eagles his fav subject 🤣 Well that and his "Rob is God " speach. I think o preferred it when he flounced |
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Post by baldeagle on Mar 7, 2020 15:20:03 GMT
TBF I feel sorry for INF. Here we have a season in which Eagles are quite obviously under performing and despite various comings and goings Leicester still can’t seem to win despite his assurances that this team was/ is of legendary status. Now INF is just telling us how everything is stacked against Leicester because unlike any other team it has players who leave for better offers or retire because of course that never happens to other teams. Will be even worse if by some fluke Eagles have a trophy by the end of next week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 15:22:13 GMT
Burnett and Williams were there for five minutes each and knew that was going to be the case. If they hadn't done well for us and been such a success they wouldn't have the chance to move on. We made Williams a brilliant offer to stay. He just got an even better one elsewhere So no they weren't 5 minute only players. We wanted them for longer. But they come to us. They shine and they move onwards and upwards. Still waiting for lists. Burnett got injured. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 7, 2020 15:27:24 GMT
TBF I feel sorry for INF. Here we have a season in which Eagles are quite obviously under performing and despite various comings and goings Leicester still can’t seem to win despite his assurances that this team was/ is of legendary status. Now INF is just telling us how everything is stacked against Leicester because unlike any other team it has players who leave for better offers or retire because of course that never happens to other teams. Will be even worse if by some fluke Eagles have a trophy by the end of next week. Wheres your Eagles list? Shall I make one for you: Imports who have left Eagles since 2016 the club wanted to stay: Scott Martin GB players who have left Eagles since 2016 the club wanted to stay: Andy Thompson Yet every season Eagles claim they are going to rebuild? You've added nobody in four years you've wanted to keep. You've developed nobody? Any rebuild you've had to do each years isn't because of success or retirement or both. It's because you've not recruited anybody worth retaining and you've developed zero players yourself. So each season you have to try and recruit again. Meanwhile we are forced to rebuild and we have had to replace 14 players good enough to keep and proven winners. So nobody should be blaming anything on the current coach at eagles He's just following the system and plan that he inherited tbf. Have I missed anybody ? |
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Post by baldeagle on Mar 7, 2020 16:45:29 GMT
Too bored to have the debate, save to observe that both Leicester and Newcastle are seriously flawed teams this year.
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Post by stevetino on Mar 7, 2020 18:53:59 GMT
Always talking about eagles his fav subject 🤣 Here's your chance to talk about Eagles. Let's see your list of players that you've had to replace since 2016 you wanted to keep? Imports and brits? it will show you how bad your player recruitment and development has been for years if you try to make the list steve im actually trying to help you see the light here I don’t need you to tell me who I’ve wanted to keep replace at eagles mate, I’ve wanted rid of Kai williams for 2 seasons which is depressing enough, whoever thought Schlitzer would be a good signing also needs to go, and will Saunders has been a waste of time, |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Mar 7, 2020 19:29:23 GMT
Too bored to have the debate, save to observe that both Leicester and Newcastle are seriously flawed teams this year. Funny that, 'cos when I posted this thread up I thought that other people would comment on their teams a bit and how much closer and play with more of a chance against these two. Phoenix have been one of the "lower" teams that have beaten Riders in the league as well as being 1 point off after 80 minutes of game time in the trophy last week end against Eagles plus an 18 point win earlier. And we've beaten Rocks twice this season but we can't put a consistent run together and are still 5/6. What gave the Riders/ Eagles silverware was consistency and the ability to win badly, that seems missing this season. Back over to IRF, RSV and the others for them to continue their discussion!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 20:12:19 GMT
Jaysean Paige, Scott Martin, Deandre Parks, Victor Moses, Jeremy Smith, Saah Nimley?...
(from someone who doesn't know their team all too well)
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