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Post by D44 on Mar 16, 2020 19:19:16 GMT
Yep Rocks should have the Title - if they are top of the league at the end of the season - (if its cut short) then they have won the title fair and square Just because they played their games sooner than other teams have?
Not gunna take games-in-hand into play?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 20:11:12 GMT
There is precedence in other sports for declaring a team champions after the league was called off.
I was reading on Twitter that Partizan Belgrade won the Yugoslavian Football title in '99 after NATO started bombing the country.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 21:04:27 GMT
Wow. That's a big straw you're clutching at.
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Mar 16, 2020 21:33:31 GMT
There's surely no prospect of the BBL season continuing. Even if it did it would likely have to move behind closer doors in the near future and I imagine that many of the overseas players who have not yet confirmed their departure will be in the process of engineering that move. Without overseas players the product would be awful and even the strongest setups would struggle to field half decent sides. Some teams would struggle just to put five bodies on the floor.
Aside from the fact that Lavandier resembles a nerdier Jurgen Klopp (no one else thinks this?) there's really no comparison between the BBL and the EPL. As sports fans we love to imagine that something is a foregone conclusion long before it is. But the EPL really is that. Liverpool have had it won for ages. Determining who gets the European slots, who gets relegated and the ripple effect that has across the football pyramid is the difficulty there. The BBL has no such concerns.
Rocks are closer to a 50% chance from their current position than 100%. Four of their remaining five games would have been infinitely lose-able. If they lost their next game away to Sheffield (not unthinkable) they probably wouldn't even be favourites any more. As others have said, it's just too open currently to be 'awarding' the league to anyone. And even if the league was wrongly 'awarded' to Rocks, history would not treat that success seriously. There'd be a gigantic asterisk against it. Crazy to suggest otherwise.
Cup and Trophy results can be taken seriously but I'm afraid the league is a write off. There are still positives for Rocks fans to take from this season. The club looks to be on the way up under Lavandier. But are they 2019/20 BBL champions? Definitely not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 21:36:46 GMT
Will the players get paid the remainder of their contract if the league stops?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 22:12:15 GMT
Just because they played their games sooner than other teams have?
Not gunna take games-in-hand into play?
They'd still win even with games in hand of others. Only team on 3 losses. Yeah but if they'd lost one game then suddenly are level. So the luck of the draw on the fixture list decides the title? Literally one game in it isn't nearly enough to give a clear/outright title out with so long still to go.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 7:51:36 GMT
Unless I've miscalculated, Lions could have won the table by winning their remaining games, as they'd have the head-to-head on Rocks. I can't see how you can possibly give the title to Rocks under those circumstances. Some thoughts but there's no wrong or right answer. It's all just a friggin mess. I'm off to keep the country running but ensuring the children kept off the streets to prevent htem spreading the plague are educated. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 8:00:28 GMT
If the Rocks are declared league winners then the BBL might as well declare them the Playoff winners too. The league hasn't played all its games so nobody has won it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 8:18:47 GMT
That's the thing though, if BBL declares the season as finished then the Rocks by virtue of being in first should be declared champions.
Besides some of the teams have lost their imports, it would be a farce to continue in those circumstances.
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Post by DefyingGravity on Mar 17, 2020 8:39:45 GMT
Aside from the fact that Lavandier resembles a nerdier Jurgen Klopp (no one else thinks this?) Yes!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 8:42:41 GMT
Rainn Wilson is their double
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Post by D44 on Mar 17, 2020 8:44:40 GMT
They'd still win even with games in hand of others. Only team on 3 losses. Yeah but if they'd lost one game then suddenly are level. So the luck of the draw on the fixture list decides the title? Literally one game in it isn't nearly enough to give a clear/outright title out with so long still to go.
So having the best record at the time the league stops counts for nothing? Everything else is ifs and buts. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 8:50:59 GMT
That's the thing though, if BBL declares the season as finished then the Rocks by virtue of being in first should be declared champions. Besides some of the teams have lost their imports, it would be a farce to continue in those circumstances. I suspect you're not arcing from an entirely neutral position:) |
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Post by ko25 on Mar 17, 2020 8:57:21 GMT
Could you cut the league down to just the results of everyone playing each other once?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 9:10:42 GMT
That's the thing though, if BBL declares the season as finished then the Rocks by virtue of being in first should be declared champions. Besides some of the teams have lost their imports, it would be a farce to continue in those circumstances. I suspect you're not arcing from an entirely neutral position:) If it was any other team in the same position then I'd say the same and I'm being 100% honest |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 9:24:04 GMT
Rocks players staying www.mvp247.com/2020/03/rocks-wait-title/Plus the article mentions the Irish league declaring 1st place as Champions, same should apply here as even with games in hand no one can overtake us. |
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Post by benji on Mar 17, 2020 9:42:20 GMT
I would declare the season as ended early, but with an asterisk to say that Rocks were in pole position at the time. I don't think you can give them the title with an asterisk, but the other way round is fine.
So I would vote for a 5th option on the poll, which would say league void, but with an asterisk to say that Rocks were in pole position. Maybe some other honourable mentions for teams who could also have won it by simply winning their remaining matches, such as Lions above.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Mar 17, 2020 9:48:40 GMT
Can we get the bookies to pay out on the favourite as having won the grand national as well if we're going to give Rocks the title?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 10:25:49 GMT
Nah, the Grand National isn't running but the League is.
I just don't see why there would need to be an asterisk next to it, again it brings connotations of cheating. If it was any of your teams in the same situation I'd say you'd be wanting the title as well. Let's not kid ourselves here, it's only because the Rocks are top, it wouldn't be an issue if it was one of the other teams.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Mar 17, 2020 10:28:46 GMT
Nah, the Grand National isn't running but the League is. I just don't see why there would need to be an asterisk next to it, again it brings connotations of cheating. If it was any of your teams in the same situation I'd say you'd be wanting the title as well. Let's not kid ourselves here, it's only because the Rocks are top, it wouldn't be an issue if it was one of the other teams. I don't "support" any BBL team over any other. In fact I think Rocks winning it would bring a welcome change in the norm, but its just not right.
If Rocks were to get it, whether theres an asterisk or not, it would be tainted. You didn't earn it the same way Lions/Riders/Eagles/every other team that won it did.
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Post by benji on Mar 17, 2020 11:01:06 GMT
Nah, the Grand National isn't running but the League is. I just don't see why there would need to be an asterisk next to it, again it brings connotations of cheating. If it was any of your teams in the same situation I'd say you'd be wanting the title as well. Let's not kid ourselves here, it's only because the Rocks are top, it wouldn't be an issue if it was one of the other teams. Ap per Bigz, I don't support any BBL teams, so look at this completely neutrally. Unfortunately Rocks haven't gone on to win the league in the way that has been possible in previous seasons, that's just the way it is unfortunately. They simply can't be awarded the league outright! With a massive asterisk could be fair. Even if the league continues, it won't really be anything to brag about winning. Many teams have quite rightly sent players home so it would be unfair for a team to win after the league resumed as it's not a fair playing field anymore. Not anyone's fault, just the way it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 11:15:08 GMT
I think we need an independent whatsbev panel of non bbl fans.
So....drum roll....
Bigz
Benji
Tony leopard
Me
And if we need a casting vote, the bloke who stole/broke the bbl trophy. Just for entertainment value
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Post by massiveridersfan on Mar 17, 2020 11:17:45 GMT
Yeah but if they'd lost one game then suddenly are level. So the luck of the draw on the fixture list decides the title? Literally one game in it isn't nearly enough to give a clear/outright title out with so long still to go.
So having the best record at the time the league stops counts for nothing? Everything else is ifs and buts. Certainly counts for something - shows you had more points and fewer games lost than other clubs at that point. It doesn't show you are or should be league champions. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Mar 17, 2020 11:28:35 GMT
I think we need an independent whatsbev panel of non bbl fans. So....drum roll.... Bigz Benji Tony leopard Me And if we need a casting vote, the bloke who stole/broke the bbl trophy. Just for entertainment value I actually have a bit more love for Dusha after hearing this.... |
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Post by 2NFR on Mar 17, 2020 11:32:14 GMT
Now that is a statement of intent. Looks like they want to finish off the season in style (fair play to that) Could they not just play out the remaining games behind closed doors. Some teams may choose to forfeit their games (20-0 loss), hopefully, without repercusions form the BBL. Thus leaving behind a few teams who have interests in winning the league ... Lions, Riders, Wolves and possibly Eagles (don't laugh) I hav'nt the time to do the the permutations, but I'm pretty sure we have plenty of nerds stat kids on here could crunch the numbers and give us an idea on how it could possibly playout. edit As I said in my first post, I dont mind Rocks being awarded the League title. The way I look at it is, having seen my team win 7 titles I cant even rember what years they won it (senile old git that I am) and I'm pretty sure in 5 years time, nobody on here will care about that year when Rocks were awarded the title because of the zombie apocalypse. Also... ...Look at it this way .... 2000/1/2 ... who were the Overall BBL league champions those years, was it, Towers?, Jets?, Sharks? etc and yes, I know it's not a precedent, but stranger things have ben done in the BBL over the years ... just a thought !! |
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