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Post by sonjel on Mar 16, 2020 21:23:35 GMT
UPDATED 21:15 GMT 16 MARCH 2020
The British Basketball League (BBL) is aware of the latest updated advice from the Government issued this afternoon regarding the impact of Covid-19.
The BBL Board is meeting tomorrow morning (Tuesday 17 March) to discuss the updated information and consult with BBL clubs.
The implications for the remainder of the current season will be announced in due course.
We would like to take this opportunity to thank British basketball fans for their continued support.
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Post by baldereagle on Mar 16, 2020 21:46:32 GMT
BBL making a decision ? Are you having a laugh ?
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Post by baldeagle on Mar 16, 2020 21:52:20 GMT
The decision has surely already been made for them. But I guess they need to go through the motions.
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Post by connors on Mar 17, 2020 10:11:12 GMT
What they, like a lot of other industries, are waiting on is the government to tell them to close to enable them to claim on any insurances they have for such situations. This is why the whole hospitality industry is up in arms after PMs announcement yesterday.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 17, 2020 17:13:32 GMT
The entire insurance industry would fail if they had to cover all the closures
There's no easy answers here
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Post by benji on Mar 17, 2020 17:31:31 GMT
BBL postpones matches for the foreseeable future.
BE has cancelled the rest of the season.
As long as I've read it correctly! I'm sure BBL will cancel after a while also.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 18:25:18 GMT
The entire insurance industry would fail if they had to cover all the closures There's no easy answers here For once you're right. Perhaps they should have held back on the dividends a bit....
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Post by 2NFR on Mar 17, 2020 18:27:13 GMT
6pm : Mar 17 : 2020 Following the latest measures to combat Covid-19 as directed by the Government, the British Basketball League (BBL) has agreed a decision to postpone the 2019/20 season until further notice due to the on-going impact of these measures. The BBL is wholly owned by its member clubs who as a collective determine any decisions and they have agreed that it is in the best interests of the sport to see out the season and that this postponement offers the best chance to do so. This action has been taken in consultation with Basketball England, Basketball Scotland, Basketball Wales, BUCS and the AoC Sport. We will continue to monitor the situation closely and work with all BBL clubs and partners to explore all options to allow us to continue the season prudently and safely at the earliest opportunity. We would like to thank the players, staff, volunteers and fans for their continued support in this unprecedented situation. www.bbl.org.uk/bbl-to-postpone-remainder-of-2019-20-season/
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Post by ScottishHoops on Mar 17, 2020 19:53:34 GMT
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Post by mitchmitchell21 on Mar 17, 2020 20:28:46 GMT
So the BBL have finally decied to postpone the current season, right choice to make all round, massive shout out to all clubs doing what they possibly can to get players home, us fans will be back louder and prounder #BBL #19/20SEASON #basketballfan
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Post by faz on Mar 17, 2020 20:42:57 GMT
Win win for clubs and players. They want to go home clubs wouldn’t want the expense Regardless of government stance attendances would be piss. Don’t know what happens to non import players contracts.
You could change the bbl cup format for next season and finish the league when the cup was being played. Not ideal as teams would be different than now but better than nothing? The rocks claim is just silly. Sorry I like them but it’s not a Liverpool or Worthing scenario. No guarantee the season or next season will recommence as normal either.
The other benefit is it gets rid of some rather tedious and meaningless games with clubs under strength to eliminate 4 teams from the knock out stages.
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Post by benji on Mar 17, 2020 20:47:04 GMT
At the moment they're saying that the season is paused right, rather than ended? Unless I'm missing something?
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Post by faz on Mar 17, 2020 21:51:37 GMT
England basketball have announced that the junior and senior seasons are over. Decisions on outcomes to be made by March 27th. Potential to play one off games such as schools finals, EABL, ABL finals should things change. Big shame for those who would have made play offs. As someone else said not sure if the rationale with kids not being over 70 or infirm whilst still attending school. Even the final fours at Belle Vue is not that well attended. Saying that they really didn’t have any choice but to follow government guidelines.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens when the footie financial muscle men get involved
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Post by saintpat on Mar 17, 2020 22:23:20 GMT
The entire insurance industry would fail if they had to cover all the closures There's no easy answers here Perhaps I'm slightly naive here, but do (can) companies actually insure against financial loss due to a pandemic?
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Post by mikevigorfanclub on Mar 17, 2020 22:32:04 GMT
The entire insurance industry would fail if they had to cover all the closures There's no easy answers here Perhaps I'm slightly naive here, but do (can) companies actually insure against financial loss due to a pandemic? Yes, but very costly, and normally reserved for very big companies. Very few blanket Business Interruption terms cover this, it is usually a specific add-on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 22:51:16 GMT
Does the Government specifically closing events down make a significant difference?
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 18, 2020 4:51:46 GMT
Huge difference
It's not down to having pandemic insurance or not
It's down to cancelling stuff through "personal choice"
If you have an event booked in a hotel/conference venue
Conference or charity dinner for example
And the advice not to attend these events is only advisory from the government
But you CHOOSE not to go ahead and cancel the event for the safety of your attendees. (Quite rightly)
That's "personal choice" and so the hotel will retain your deposits and you lose a fortune
And most hotels/venues are standing firm and retaining the deposit. They aren't even allowing the bookers to move the deposit to a later date
I know a charity that has a white collar boxing event booked with one of the big hotel chains in London in May
Big event. Deposit is £66k
The head of the charity tried to delay the event and move the deposit to a new date with the GM of the hotel yesterday
And got nowhere. The venues are standing firm on the rules and if you cancel the event it's personal choice and you lose the money
And the venues aren't doing it to be *******s. They are doing it as if they didn't they would go bust.
This 330 Billion. A lot of this ie effectively the insurance that the insurance companies aren't paying out themselves
The big difference is its a loan and not a payout
So a lot of companies/organisations have got a big choice next few months
Go under or take a loan and then spend the next few years working just to pay the loan back
Many will choose to go under as they will decide it was hard enough without having to pay a loan back
And they don't know how long this crisis will continue
Theatre groups are a great example - how long can they pay everybody until they just decide we need to just call it quits
You've got theatre shows in the West end that are some of the longest running shows in the world
That may just end
Normally you take out a business loan to develop or grow a business
What the government did yesterday was offer to guarantee loans
But not to develop and grow businesses but to allow them to survive a few months
But then they will be burdened for years as a result and many wont feel the burden is justified
Many will wonder what back to normal will even be. As coronavirus is likely going to be seasonal anyway
No point saving themselves for a few months if next year they have to close again or business is 20 per cent down etc
Hope that all makes sense
It's not pandemic insurance as such - it's that big question - did the event or the restaurant etc etc close on personal choice or was it a forced choice by the government
Same as when people were deciding whether to travel abroad or not
Was it personal choice - no refunds or postponement allowed
Or was it forced now you can refund or postpone
And to continue on that theme - all parties aren't standing firm to be *******s they are standing firm as they can't afford to do anything else. They don't have cash reserves to deal with stuff this big.
And this could go on for a year!
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 18, 2020 4:52:15 GMT
So if you had a deposit for a basketball game with a venue
And you "choose" to cancel or postpone. The venue can keep the deposit. As you have cancelled by personal choice.
Enough to bankrupt many organisations
That will be dilemma the BBL faced last week with The Trophy Final
Closer to the event - the more deposit will have been paid. In many cases it's paid in full by the week before
Huge amounts of money
Both sides lose because the venue would rather the event go ahead and get the full payment and not just deposit and the booker can't afford to lose the deposit with no income back to recover
Right now the event organisers are cancelling because they know not enough people will attend. And they look the bad guys for asking them to attend
Restaurants and pubs and shops. Cinemas and theatres all have to make the same choices soon enough
Most struggle to make ends meet as it is
So the loan won't be attractive as they will figure out it will be the straw that breaks the camels back in the next few years when you have to pay it back
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 18, 2020 5:15:18 GMT
Daniel Routledge @dan_routledge I've been a bit touchy last couple of days, when people have had a pop at @bblofficial re virus. I reckon there are 200-odd people whose livelihoods depend on related businesses (before you start counting players/coaches) I personally know many of them, have done for years 1/ 9:07 pm · 17 Mar 2020·Twitter for Android 4 Retweets 22 Likes Daniel Routledge @dan_routledge · 8h Replying to @dan_routledge Normally I ignore this stuff, but this situation is potentially devastating to lots of clubs, sports, businesses etc. I've lost a fair chunk of money, but not my livelihood, so whatever happens I'll probably be ok. But I know too many people who are not, to let things slide by 2/ Daniel Routledge @dan_routledge · 8h So whatever happens, I will support it. However this can be resolved with minimal losses is fine by me. Make no mistake ppl will lose money/jobs (not just 'clubs' normal people) I hope they can find a way thru this & some pt in future we can get back to watching games we love 3/ Daniel Routledge @dan_routledge · 8h To all those I know, in basketball, in TV, freelancers and elsewhere who are facing significant challenges right now, I'm thinking of you Folded hands❤ To everyone else, stay safe, I wish you well ✌ Andy Reuthe @mhgoon · 7h Replying to @dan_routledge and @bblofficial Well said Dan and obviously this stretches widely across the whole community. We are a way off knowing how long this might impact this/next season - best wishes to all impacted /1 Andy Reuthe @mhgoon · 7h After a great last positive weekend’s action in Glasgow (thx for the comms) - without wanting to be negative, is the league in a decent position to come out the other side intact from this ? /2 Daniel Routledge @dan_routledge · 7h I don't think any business is in a decent position to come out of this. Much will depend on how effective Govt announcements today are, that is as true for a BBL club as it is for your local pub or curry house Andy Reuthe @mhgoon · 7h Thanks Dan - honest opinion as always - fingers crossed - hope to see you back down at the Morningside when we come out the other side
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Post by saintpat on Mar 18, 2020 7:30:07 GMT
But do most organisations & companies have insurance to cover this? Have they actually taken out insurance to cover for a government stopping an event for what is in effect a 'natural disaster'?
Whilst I understand that people/ organisations who have booked events will be able to receive refunds if a venue cannot host the event as they are closed because of government legislation, do those venues actually have insurance to cover that?
For example: Lions book the Copper Box, I presume the Copper Box can say at present they still have to pay for the booking as they are not shut as government are only advising not forcing. Yet if the Copper Box is forced to shut then Lions wouldn't have to pay. Does the Copper Box have insurance to cover for that?
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Post by baldereagle on Mar 18, 2020 8:03:37 GMT
Just to say thanks to IEF and Dan Routledge for their insights into these unprecedented times. I suspect next season we’ll be lucky to have 6 teams (including Solent !) in the top flight, but hope that my prediction is less accurate than my Trophy Final one.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 18, 2020 8:30:56 GMT
But do most organisations & companies have insurance to cover this? Have they actually taken out insurance to cover for a government stopping an event for what is in effect a 'natural disaster'? Whilst I understand that people/ organisations who have booked events will be able to receive refunds if a venue cannot host the event as they are closed because of government legislation, do those venues actually have insurance to cover that? For example: Lions book the Copper Box, I presume the Copper Box can say at present they still have to pay for the booking as they are not shut as government are only advising not forcing. Yet if the Copper Box is forced to shut then Lions wouldn't have to pay. Does the Copper Box have insurance to cover for that? Its called business interruption insurance and some polices will cover it and some wont etc And even if they cover it. Theres never been something like this where everybody would need to claim at the same time
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 18, 2020 8:33:38 GMT
As I say what's the point of the BBL or clubs getting a loan to survive a few months etc if they know they cant afford to pay it back
And pubs and restaurants exactly the same
These are businesses that struggle to survive in good times let alone bad
And let alone with big debt around their necks dragging them down
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Post by notoriousbigz on Mar 18, 2020 8:35:03 GMT
As I say what's the point of the BBL or clubs getting a loan to survive a few months etc if they know they cant afford to pay it back And pubs and restaurants exactly the same These are businesses that struggle to survive in good times let alone bad And let alone with big debt around their necks dragging them down Socialism doesn't seem such a bad idea now, does it?
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Post by notoriousbigz on Mar 18, 2020 8:37:20 GMT
As for insurance (and I am an insurance lawyer working for two of the biggest insurers in the country so I know a fair bit about it), I wont go into the ins and outs of policies because its what I do when I'm not on Whatsbev (so 10 minutes a week), but if you want to take a look at the Association of British Insurers statement, they've basically told everyone to forget payouts.
There's battles to be had there for sure.
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