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Post by LTFan on Mar 18, 2020 12:14:10 GMT
So here's a question - Why has it been decided to suspend the BBL season, but cancel the remainder of the WBBL season (they're currently finalising the details as to what cancellation means in terms of results based on the current standings).
Why one decision for the BBL and another for the WBBL? I'm guessing it's finically motivated in some way, but I can't quite work it out myself. Any thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 14:58:22 GMT
Yeah. It's bolox
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 15:00:45 GMT
As for insurance (and I am an insurance lawyer working for two of the biggest insurers in the country so I know a fair bit about it), I wont go into the ins and outs of policies because its what I do when I'm not on Whatsbev (so 10 minutes a week), but if you want to take a look at the Association of British Insurers statement, they've basically told everyone to forget payouts. There's battles to be had there for sure. So they've taken our money and now it's pay out time we can all fuked? That only works once, so they're as fuked as we are. |
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Post by foxprorawks on Mar 18, 2020 15:08:34 GMT
As for insurance (and I am an insurance lawyer working for two of the biggest insurers in the country so I know a fair bit about it), I wont go into the ins and outs of policies because its what I do when I'm not on Whatsbev (so 10 minutes a week), but if you want to take a look at the Association of British Insurers statement, they've basically told everyone to forget payouts. There's battles to be had there for sure. So they've taken our money and now it's pay out time we can all fuked? That only works once, so they're as fuked as we are. Aren't some types of insurance compulsory? So, we can still all be fuked and they can carry on regardless. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 19:41:50 GMT
Forget about this season, and it’s already being discussed in basketball circles in the US and Europe that GLOBAL basketball for the 20/21 season will be called off as well. This is due that actions taken to fight the virus pandemic will last deep into the summer and these measures only pause the virus, not eliminate it. A second wave is expected in the fall/winter. Social distancing will be with us for a while until herd immunity is established or vaccine is found. Looks like the only hoops I’ll be able to enjoy is NBA2K for the foreseeable future!! These are crazy times! and pretty sure this will affect soccer too!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 20:00:10 GMT
And speaking of viruses, Ron's back.
FRO
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Post by 2NFR on Mar 20, 2020 20:02:06 GMT
Soccer ? ... I didnt realise Whatsbev reached that far across the pond  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 12:51:15 GMT
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Post by LTFan on Apr 21, 2020 15:19:43 GMT
I agree with not trying to resume anything until at lease September/October, but I can't say I'm a huge fan of what's being proposed here. Is teams playing the final 25% (approx.) of games of the 2019/20 season (and play-off games?) with completely different line ups really any better than concluding the season as now? Having said that, I'm not claiming I have the perfect solution either. |
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Post by LTFan on Apr 21, 2020 15:26:09 GMT
This was a very positive comment though:
"Encouragingly for basketballl at elite level, there are no grave concerns over potenaitl financial ruin for clubs or the professional side of the sport as a whole."
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Apr 21, 2020 16:32:18 GMT
A September return sounds optimistic to me. Most of the material I've read recently regarding the return of sport has centred around football. I figure there's time for these plans to change but the idea of a May resumption to the Bundesliga season seems to be gathering momentum now. It's a given that whenever play does resume it will be in empty stadiums and I've read a few articles suggesting it could remain that way until the end of the calendar year. If this is a possibility in Germany (a country with infinitely better Coronavirus numbers than our own) is it really realistic to think that we could be playing basketball in front of crowds of up to 2,000 by September? And BBL basketball behind closed doors is a non-starter, right?
I think I'm with LTFan regarding the completion of this season. I've no idea how real these concerns are but it has been suggested that some clubs might not even survive this. And even if everyone does, many will likely return with very different rosters. If you're a new player under these circumstances are you really that interested in playing half a dozen games to determine the champions of a British basketball season you weren't really part of? A season that was suspended months and months ago. It hardly seems like an authentic way to crown a champion.
I'm guessing to a large extent but returning in September, completing last season then moving straight into the next doesn't sound like a terribly viable idea to me. But there are surely others better qualified to pass judgement. We have registered posters on here (and probably a fair few lurkers) who are directly involved with BBL clubs and other posters who are close to people directly involved with clubs. I appreciate it's still relatively early days but if anyone has an informed opinion on how this is effecting BBL clubs, prospects of an 11 team 2020/21 BBL season happening, realistic start date... Just any sort of worthwhile update on the current situation, I'd be interested to hear it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 18:54:58 GMT
If this went ahead, a team could spend wildly for just this one year and end up winning the playoffs for 2019-20 and the league/playoffs for 2020-21 with the same roster and pay cycle.
Seems a pile of **** to me.
This season just needs to be brought to a close. Trying to tape it up and finish it off when half the players have left the country is ridiculous and it will just be a mess. Teams closing things out without the players that got them there just makes no sense at all.
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Post by ko25 on Apr 21, 2020 20:02:52 GMT
If this went ahead, a team could spend wildly for just this one year and end up winning the playoffs for 2019-20 and the league/playoffs for 2020-21 with the same roster and pay cycle. Seems a pile of **** to me. This season just needs to be brought to a close. Trying to tape it up and finish it off when half the players have left the country is ridiculous and it will just be a mess. Teams closing things out without the players that got them there just makes no sense at all. I'd have to agree with all of this it's better just to finish now. You could just spend big for a month instead of the whole year. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 20:21:57 GMT
If this went ahead, a team could spend wildly for just this one year and end up winning the playoffs for 2019-20 and the league/playoffs for 2020-21 with the same roster and pay cycle. Seems a pile of **** to me. This season just needs to be brought to a close. Trying to tape it up and finish it off when half the players have left the country is ridiculous and it will just be a mess. Teams closing things out without the players that got them there just makes no sense at all. I'd have to agree with all of this it's better just to finish now. You could just spend big for a month instead of the whole year. Also true.
There is generally a signing deadline to prevent that, is there not? In your route it could wipe that away entirely and allow what would basically just be a "who's wallet is biggest" contest.
... Too bad LCR folded really.
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Post by Qaddafi on Apr 21, 2020 20:22:52 GMT
The idea is BS
This season has been a shambles since the idea of the new format was announced.
Scrap it and go back to the old league format again- it’s what the players want
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 20:32:43 GMT
The idea is BS This season has been a shambles since the idea of the new format was announced. Scrap it and go back to the old league format again- it’s what the players want Funny thing is, if they'd never brought in the new format, we might actually have an outright and obvious winner because there'd have been a bunch more extra games played.
No chance we see this format back next time around.
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Post by ko25 on Apr 21, 2020 21:30:40 GMT
I'd have to agree with all of this it's better just to finish now. You could just spend big for a month instead of the whole year. Also true.
There is generally a signing deadline to prevent that, is there not? In your route it could wipe that away entirely and allow what would basically just be a "who's wallet is biggest" contest.
... Too bad LCR folded really.
There is but would it still apply in September? If you couldn't sign players then teams would prob only have half their roster. Then there'd be a knock on effect for the next season as players would be looking at other leagues possibly starting on time or as near to it as they could. There's no real reason to not call it a day now really. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 22, 2020 8:08:09 GMT
Everything I've read suggests if there is any indoor sport then it's going to be either without fans and/or with fans observing social distance rules
In our stadium I'm assuming that's people 2 or 3 seats apart and strong management of queues for entrance and toilets etc
Alongside certain agegroups and categories advised to still self isolate
It's not inconceivable some kind of roster could be put together with limited ticket sales
I assume that imports won't be travelling in or out so that reduces the costs
There's still travel costs etc to cover getting to away games
And any monies taken for next season may be paying last season debts
I can only envisage BBL with UK based rosters and sparce crowds etc for the foreseeable future
Better than nothing though
Maybe Barry Lamble and Anthony Rowe will make a comeback for us and play FOC (that's a joke by the way)
Did Fletcher go back to US or stay in UK?
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 22, 2020 8:10:15 GMT
UK based players playing for next to nothing or expenses only for the love of the sport in front of much smaller crowds is likely the best we can hope for surely?
I personally could support that myself
And keeps the players fit until we get over this
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Post by Waxy on Apr 22, 2020 8:33:49 GMT
UK based players playing for next to nothing or expenses only for the love of the sport in front of much smaller crowds is likely the best we can hope for surely? I personally could support that myself And keeps the players fit until we get over this Sounds like London Lions |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 9:16:55 GMT
The idea is BS This season has been a shambles since the idea of the new format was announced. Scrap it and go back to the old league format again- it’s what the players want Funny thing is, if they'd never brought in the new format, we might actually have an outright and obvious winner because there'd have been a bunch more extra games played.
No chance we see this format back next time around.
No, we wouldn't. No team is so much better than the rest that they'd have won a 30-game season with six games left to play. If only they could void the BBL Trophy, eh? Some thoughts |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 12:43:38 GMT
Funny thing is, if they'd never brought in the new format, we might actually have an outright and obvious winner because there'd have been a bunch more extra games played.
No chance we see this format back next time around.
No, we wouldn't. No team is so much better than the rest that they'd have won a 30-game season with six games left to play. If only they could void the BBL Trophy, eh? Some thoughtsIt's like I didn't say MIGHT in my post and you think I said DEFINITELY for some reason... Or is it more you just like to find a way to pick at my posts every time. It's fine though, keep pumping that wrist at OJ's signing for you. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 22, 2020 14:24:14 GMT
Forget about this season, and it’s already being discussed in basketball circles in the US and Europe that GLOBAL basketball for the 20/21 season will be called off as well. This is due that actions taken to fight the virus pandemic will last deep into the summer and these measures only pause the virus, not eliminate it. A second wave is expected in the fall/winter. Social distancing will be with us for a while until herd immunity is established or vaccine is found. Looks like the only hoops I’ll be able to enjoy is NBA2K for the foreseeable future!! These are crazy times! and pretty sure this will affect soccer too! We may have to rule out herd immunity as well due to the fact people are catching it more than once. Even if they dont get as ill the second time they are carriers and can pass it on to others and so we don't get the benefit of herd immunity as more people get this We need a viable vaccine or an effective cure 12 to 18 months and even then no guarantee we will get one We are in this situation for the long haul |
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Post by blueskies99 on Apr 22, 2020 15:21:14 GMT
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Apr 22, 2020 16:27:33 GMT
In basic agreement with the idea that completing this season is probably neither practical nor particularly important. The thought of BBL teams throwing a bunch of money around when this finally blows over couldn't have been further from my mind. Be nice to think we might have clubs in a position to do that. Everything I've read suggests if there is any indoor sport then it's going to be either without fans and/or with fans observing social distance rules In our stadium I'm assuming that's people 2 or 3 seats apart and strong management of queues for entrance and toilets etc Do you think a system like this would realistically be enforceable? Security at BBL games has never been the strictest in my experience. It's been more or less non-existent at times in fact. And even if you did have a really good, well organised team of people attempting to enforce the rules, you're not gonna get anything close to 100% compliance. I imagine there are still plenty of kids around who don't really understand what they are and aren't supposed to be doing, plus adults who know but are completely flippant about the whole thing. With the exception of the Copper Box, even the best BBL venues are pretty claustrophobic too. Not a whole lot of space to move around in once you're inside. I could maybe imagine sports played outdoors or in large stadiums being able to reintroduce spectators in this sort of fashion. But in order for it to work in small halls I'd have thought you'd need to reduce capacities really dramatically. That would mean small crowds at every BBL venue (again with the possible exception of the Copper Box, if they opened up the whole thing) and positively tiny crowds at venues like SSP and whatever Bristol's venue is called. And it's not even worth it then is it? An update that essentially says it's too early for an update. Not brilliantly illuminating but understandable I suppose. |
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