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Post by DefyingGravity on Apr 22, 2020 8:43:17 GMT
I couldn't fit the full question in the poll option so here it is.
If sports teams were forced to reduce arena capacity, to meet social distancing measures, would you attend a game prior to a Covid-19 vaccine becoming available?
I saw the above being asked on Twitter to the ice hockey UK support. They had 485 votes and 58% of people said they would still attend. I also asked the question to some Rocks fans. We had significantly lower numbers of people voting (34 in total!) but 85% of people said they would not attend. Thought it would be interesting to see the response from the whole of the UK basketball community.
Personally for me I wouldn't attend a game.
Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 10:43:19 GMT
I spend my days looking after key workers children, my wife spends her day looking after covid patients. It's likely well get it, I'm certain my son has had it. Still wouldn't attend
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 11:14:38 GMT
i wonder if you may feel differently after six months of boredom. Schools will open before the BBL does, so if I get it it's likely to be from my kids. Or other people's, depending on my work situation. So I'd go. But admittedly I generally go to games where there the crowds aren't as big as the BBL and if I was in a vulnerable group I'd probably feel differently.
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Post by connors on Apr 22, 2020 11:18:11 GMT
Both my wife and we’re unwell 3-4 weeks ago with CV symptoms. Obviously have not been tested. So probably I would go before a vaccine...but obviously it would depend on what the other restrictions were. I’ve only been out twice to shops for essential in last 5 weeks. It’s a miserable experience. So if the game day experience was dramatically reduced due to some level of social distancing, for example you had to get there considerably earlier than normal, then that would probably put me off.
Another question is would you play basketball before a vaccine is available? I still play as well as coach and I’m struggling to look into the future and see when the government and governing bodies are going to relax/ remove the restrictions on playing contact sports, opening sports centres and gyms...........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 12:38:11 GMT
Yeah, I'm still not fussed on it. If I get it, I get it.
I'll live... or I won't.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 22, 2020 14:34:23 GMT
Everything you do from now you will need to use social distancing
I feel safe enough doing the shopping
If I can do stuff where I'm not near anybody I would give it a go I think
What do you reckon is a safe number to be in an arena like riders or Eagles arena with though?
I'm thinking any more than 200 and would be hard to manage well?
200 paying 10 each approx every couple of weeks
Thats 2k every 2 weeks
1k a week
Not enough
Maybe a shorter season and a game every week home and away at least increases the income each week if every club gets a home game
Sponsorship money would be vital. Incremental spend would be minimal. Some sponsors would still support but some wouldn't see the value with such small crowds
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 22, 2020 14:38:54 GMT
An arena with 1500 seats
You wouldn't want anybody on any seats next to you in front or behind at the very least. That's 5 seats per person minimum.
So 300 max in a 1500 arena.
Even that may be too many.
Although I guess family members could sit together.
By then we will probably all be wearing masks and goggles (once they've made enough)
And I guess players would just have to trust none of them have got it
Can they even let players compete without testing every day?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 17:23:46 GMT
Surely there's no way they play out the end of the season with no/reduced fans. They'd need to pay the players for that timeframe and it'd cost them more than they'd be bringing in.
I get that it'd be nice to finish it off but there isn't the money in the league to be doing it just 'cus it'd be nice.
Would you rather safeguard the future a little further or finish off the season, knowing you likely get nothing out of it?
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 22, 2020 20:12:38 GMT
Surely there's no way they play out the end of the season with no/reduced fans. They'd need to pay the players for that timeframe and it'd cost them more than they'd be bringing in. I get that it'd be nice to finish it off but there isn't the money in the league to be doing it just 'cus it'd be nice. Would you rather safeguard the future a little further or finish off the season, knowing you likely get nothing out of it? I'm assuming the question is about something for next season |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 22, 2020 20:20:49 GMT
English football League chairmen are not expecting fans to be allowed in stadiums before 2021
Can't see indoor happening at all in 2020 based on that
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Post by youngrocks on Apr 22, 2020 21:46:25 GMT
Theres is just so much information and opinion out there.od which its now a minefield trying to work out what is best. No wander some are panic some are like meh.
I believe that entertainment (sport) will recomence but behind closed doors. Will the bbl do that? Will americans come back to end the season? I believe some will.
I see joe icw is saying just void it and change format for next season. I think thats to simplistic a view. Could some clubs have deals based per game of coverage for a brand. I think we need atleast a league or a playoff winner.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 10:24:30 GMT
I think we need atleast a league or a playoff winner. Why? Because it'd be nice to? How about if that puts some of the clubs at jeopardy of surviving? Or makes a mockery of next season so we end up with two disrupted seasons instead of one? Or puts people at jeopardy of surviving? Nah, don't worry about any of that. We need a winner. |
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Post by youngrocks on Apr 23, 2020 10:29:12 GMT
I think regardless both seasons will be disrupted. Why not finish the 2019/20 season at the end of 2020.
We've heard yesterday of how it looks like none of the clubs will go which is a positive.
Nothing wrong with a bit of positivity and hope.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 10:35:34 GMT
I think regardless both seasons will be disrupted. Why not finish the 2019/20 season at the end of 2020. Would you still be saying the same thing if Glasgow were 10th? Because there is no need. All the import players and even some non-import have left the cities they play in. You'd be finishing the season with a mashed together roster, or next season's roster which just isn't right as this season should be contained, not marked as won by next years players. It makes no sense. Plus, the financial implications of playing this season out for the sake of it, but with no income, puts teams at further risk. They've already lost income and now you want them to lose more by hiring venues, paying players and having no ticket sales to cover it. You literally just want to make sure Duncan gets his title rather than thinking about other team's survival. It's selfish. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 11:12:19 GMT
You literally want the season to be abandoned because Flyers stunk.
See what I did there?
This is just like reading football forums where everyone wants am outcome which suits their team.
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Post by DefyingGravity on Apr 23, 2020 11:14:06 GMT
I think regardless both seasons will be disrupted. Why not finish the 2019/20 season at the end of 2020. Would you still be saying the same thing if Glasgow were 10th? Because there is no need. All the import players and even some non-import have left the cities they play in. You'd be finishing the season with a mashed together roster, or next season's roster which just isn't right as this season should be contained, not marked as won by next years players. It makes no sense. Plus, the financial implications of playing this season out for the sake of it, but with no income, puts teams at further risk. They've already lost income and now you want them to lose more by hiring venues, paying players and having no ticket sales to cover it. You literally just want to make sure Duncan gets his title rather than thinking about other team's survival. It's selfish. If you look back on youngrocks posts then you will probably see he has been one of DS biggest critics, particularly over the title statements. I can't say what his reasons are for wanting to have a winner, but I'm confident it's not because he is selfish or wants other teams to crumble... |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Apr 23, 2020 11:16:48 GMT
I think regardless both seasons will be disrupted. Why not finish the 2019/20 season at the end of 2020. Would you still be saying the same thing if Glasgow were 10th? Because there is no need. All the import players and even some non-import have left the cities they play in. You'd be finishing the season with a mashed together roster, or next season's roster which just isn't right as this season should be contained, not marked as won by next years players. It makes no sense. Plus, the financial implications of playing this season out for the sake of it, but with no income, puts teams at further risk. They've already lost income and now you want them to lose more by hiring venues, paying players and having no ticket sales to cover it. You literally just want to make sure Duncan gets his title rather than thinking about other team's survival. It's selfish. Im really not sure thats the case. Id be all for the league to finish if they can do it in a way thats safe. |
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Post by youngrocks on Apr 23, 2020 13:26:27 GMT
Yep thats exactly the reason. All about my selfishness.
I'd like the league finished. How and when is up for debate. Players and financies are the biggest question mark. Arguably empty arenas have a massive cost.
And on the rocks comment atleast support it with facts. I think every sport should try and finish its season so that the records arent left with an *. You'd also be noted to find out ive said several times that the rocks run in is/was the toughest. Eagles lions riders sharks smush in their a game against giants.
Entitled to your opinion as anyone just don't make stuff up.
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Post by LTFan on Apr 23, 2020 14:27:01 GMT
I hate to say it, but it's a somewhat pointless question.
It simply wouldn't be financially viable for the BBL to run a season with significantly reduced crowds (as they would be if social distancing was in place). The costs of putting the games on wouldn't be covered by the ticket revenue. And I just can't see it being allowed anyway - social distancing is just about all BBL venues just isn't a realistic plan.
And for the same reason, I don't expect there to be games played behind closed doors either.
I'd have a different answer if we were talking about the NBA (closed doors games at least, not sure about social distancing), but the BBL is not the NBA.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 16:00:33 GMT
Yep thats exactly the reason. All about my selfishness. I'd like the league finished. How and when is up for debate. Players and financies are the biggest question mark. Arguably empty arenas have a massive cost. And on the rocks comment atleast support it with facts. I think every sport should try and finish its season so that the records arent left with an *. You'd also be noted to find out ive said several times that the rocks run in is/was the toughest. Eagles lions riders sharks smush in their a game against giants. Entitled to your opinion as anyone just don't make stuff up. If it finishes or not it's going to have an asterisk. - If it doesn't finish it'll have one because it didn't finish. - If it finishes with no more games played it'll have an asterisk.
- If it does finish it'll have one because the team will be entirely different and the 2019-20 title was won by the 2020-21 team. There's literally no way it can finish in a fair manner, the fairest thing to do is to cut it off. ... or not have a 2020-21 season and just merge the two seasons together entirely, making it the 2019-21 season  Apologies for not going back through your posts and seeing you dislike Duncan's opinions too. Honestly rarely look at usernames here. Especially on people with no avatar selection.
I hate to say it, but it's a somewhat pointless question. It simply wouldn't be financially viable for the BBL to run a season with significantly reduced crowds (as they would be if social distancing was in place). The costs of putting the games on wouldn't be covered by the ticket revenue. And I just can't see it being allowed anyway - social distancing is just about all BBL venues just isn't a realistic plan. And for the same reason, I don't expect there to be games played behind closed doors either. I'd have a different answer if we were talking about the NBA (closed doors games at least, not sure about social distancing), but the BBL is not the NBA. Agree with everything there. |
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Post by isthaturinal on Apr 23, 2020 16:40:59 GMT
Everything you do from now you will need to use social distancing I feel safe enough doing the shopping If I can do stuff where I'm not near anybody I would give it a go I think What do you reckon is a safe number to be in an arena like riders or Eagles arena with though? I'm thinking any more than 200 and would be hard to manage well? 200 paying 10 each approx every couple of weeks Thats 2k every 2 weeks 1k a week Not enough Maybe a shorter season and a game every week home and away at least increases the income each week if every club gets a home game Sponsorship money would be vital. Incremental spend would be minimal. Some sponsors would still support but some wouldn't see the value with such small crowds If for instance we (Riders) could manage a game with say 200-300 max supporters, surely those seats would have to be offered to season ticket holders first as they have already paid for those games, I’m sure Riders have more than 300 season ticket holders, so in reality the only revenue would be programs, food and drink etc and obviously some from sponsors. I unfortunately just can’t see it working. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 16:58:23 GMT
I agree with RSV about the *. Sadly he's toys are outside the pram, so he'll miss this.
Whatever (doesn't)happen(s), it will always be the "Covid Season". The Cup & Trophy were fine - although if Solent had beaten a weakened Eagles they would never have got the deserved plaudits deserved - but if they completed the league, the result would always be knocked by people. If there were no play-offs I imagine the teams put on the floor by the non contenders would be as cheap as possible - so you wouldn't be getting a true champion.
If you want an example, the 2015 D1 play-offs will always have a * next to them in many people's minds. The day before the Final 4 all hell let loose when the teams were told they couldn't play their imports because they were in the country on student visas. We only had one American, he was solid rather a standout, but he'd played every game and we never even got to run a practice without him in the starting unit. Amazingly Barking Abbey - lowest seed, no imports - won it |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 19:17:59 GMT
Of course not as there will be no games that include fans until we are cleared of Covid 19. Remember, that once a vaccine is safe and ready to be administered it will take a loooong time to cover the UK population let alone the globe. There may be sports that can go on without fans but even that thinking is way too pre mature.
This is what is likely to happen. The major leagues around the world will call off current seasons by 30 June. In America, college football will call off the season by 1 July thereby starting a cascading of cancellations. European basketball which is heavily reliant on ticket sales will also cancel current season and most likely 20/21. I think that people are not grasping the magnitude of this situation.
There will be no team sports until a vaccine is available and WIDELY distributed. And no one will risk taking their kids into an arena until it’s totally safe and that won’t be for another 18-24 months!!
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 23, 2020 19:40:57 GMT
Any sports involving crowds that are played during the winter have no chance. They can't risk another wave of coronavirus at the same time the hospitals will be overloaded with flu patients. We will probably be back under a stricter lockdown once the flu season is back with us.
It's going to be a miserable winter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 19:49:29 GMT
So, doom mongers, do you believe that they'll keep schools shut during your time frames? Because if you have millions of kids bouncing off of each other both in the buildings and on transport to such plague pits , everything except keeping certain groups in isolation is pointless.
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