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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 28, 2020 21:08:31 GMT
France has cancelled all sporting events until September. Is that all spectator sporting events or ALL sporting events I know Germany has cancelled all spectator sporting events until October I see it's all contact sport - that's pretty brutal. Not even allowing behind closed doors games. Philippe said: "The 2019-20 season of professional sports, including football, will not be able to resume. "It will be possible, on sunny days, to practice an individual sporting activity outdoors, obviously respecting the rules of social distancing. "It will not be possible, neither to practice sport in covered places, nor team or contact sports."
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Post by Guest User on Apr 28, 2020 21:58:50 GMT
I'd settle for a closed BBL game, as long as it was broadcast.
So bored with TV, need a sports fix and soon.
Even watched that Taiwan basketball today but it's just not the same.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 29, 2020 8:01:15 GMT
I've got a friend who is a Primary school teacher in Nottingham and back working 1 in every 3 weeks at schools operating under social distancing
Teaching the kids from front line workers etc
They are allowed upto 11 in a classroom where she is
She's got kids between 4 to 11 where she is
They've been given zero PPE to wear for them or the kids and don't even have hand sanitizer so just having to encourage the kids to wash hands with hand soap which is all they have at the moment
And keep encouraging the kids to social distance but at the lower ages finding it very hard[br
I cannot envisage that we will be allowed to play contact sport
My son is 16 and due to start as a scholar at a professional football club at the end of June
There's a call lined up for him later this week to get an update on whether that will still happen or not
In the meantime he's getting coaching sessions to follow at home in the garden and indoor on zoom
I can't see contact sports happening any time soon other than at the highest levels for TV and mental health of the general public
It goes against even the minimum relaxed social distancing proposals anywhere
Surprised France has gone so severe so early though. That isn't a good sign.
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Post by ko25 on Apr 29, 2020 8:26:12 GMT
That would leave the final 6 weeks or term it's pretty obvious that nothing get's going properly until the schools start. Would they still have the summer holiday?
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Post by bigsmoke on Apr 29, 2020 8:35:20 GMT
wishful thinking to believe that any sport other than the majors will resume this year. and even for the majors, there will be no fans in attendance. as for the smaller leagues and clubs that are dependent on gate receipts, many will fold or slash budgets so much that the product on the courts and pitch will suffer greatly. and other than the foundational sports i.e, athletics, gymnastics etc and the elite of the ones we can medal in, i would think that UK sport and sport england will be cutting budgets across the board. can't imagine that england basketball will be funded on same level once funding cycle ends. will be interesting to see how bbl will navigate this crisis as i can't see them back until 2021 and even then, not in current form.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 8:36:39 GMT
It would be 7 weeks. And I doubt they'll be all in, all of the time. Senior schools aren't full at the moment, with Y11 and Y13 (where they have a 6th form) anyway
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Post by ko25 on Apr 29, 2020 8:38:13 GMT
I've got a friend who is a Primary school teacher in Nottingham and back working 1 in every 3 weeks at schools operating under social distancing Teaching the kids from front line workers etc They are allowed upto 11 in a classroom where she is She's got kids between 4 to 11 where she is They've been given zero PPE to wear for them or the kids and don't even have hand sanitizer so just having to encourage the kids to wash hands with hand soap which is all they have at the moment And keep encouraging the kids to social distance but at the lower ages finding it very hard[br I cannot envisage that we will be allowed to play contact sport My son is 16 and due to start as a scholar at a professional football club at the end of June There's a call lined up for him later this week to get an update on whether that will still happen or not In the meantime he's getting coaching sessions to follow at home in the garden and indoor on zoom I can't see contact sports happening any time soon other than at the highest levels for TV and mental health of the general public It goes against even the minimum relaxed social distancing proposals anywhere Surprised France has gone so severe so early though. That isn't a good sign. Under normal circumstances what's the size of the school? That doesn't surprise me about the PPE although if it was me I'd be getting my own, especially with the media fixation of solely hospitals and care homes. When they do report on schools there's never any mention of the teachers for some reason we just have to think of the children. The end of June is still a bit of a while off but out of interest would you be comfortable with him playing?
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 29, 2020 10:44:13 GMT
I've got a friend who is a Primary school teacher in Nottingham and back working 1 in every 3 weeks at schools operating under social distancing Teaching the kids from front line workers etc They are allowed upto 11 in a classroom where she is She's got kids between 4 to 11 where she is They've been given zero PPE to wear for them or the kids and don't even have hand sanitizer so just having to encourage the kids to wash hands with hand soap which is all they have at the moment And keep encouraging the kids to social distance but at the lower ages finding it very hard[br I cannot envisage that we will be allowed to play contact sport My son is 16 and due to start as a scholar at a professional football club at the end of June There's a call lined up for him later this week to get an update on whether that will still happen or not In the meantime he's getting coaching sessions to follow at home in the garden and indoor on zoom I can't see contact sports happening any time soon other than at the highest levels for TV and mental health of the general public It goes against even the minimum relaxed social distancing proposals anywhere Surprised France has gone so severe so early though. That isn't a good sign. Under normal circumstances what's the size of the school? That doesn't surprise me about the PPE although if it was me I'd be getting my own, especially with the media fixation of solely hospitals and care homes. When they do report on schools there's never any mention of the teachers for some reason we just have to think of the children. The end of June is still a bit of a while off but out of interest would you be comfortable with him playing? Being totally honest I've not even thought whether I would be comfortable him playing yet. If it's considered ok to do I certainly wouldn't stop him. He's worked hard for 10 years to get the opportunity. As it is I'm worried first of all the club or the opportunity won't still be there for him as like all lower league clubs (its a League One Club) they will struggle to survive And secondly I don't imagine he will be allowed to do anything involving contact for me to worry about I think if the club does survive and the opportunity is still there for him it will either be solo training for a good while yet or else delayed a while Tbf the people at the club have no idea yet what will happen themselves from what they've said so far
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 29, 2020 10:48:46 GMT
I've got a friend who is a Primary school teacher in Nottingham and back working 1 in every 3 weeks at schools operating under social distancing Teaching the kids from front line workers etc They are allowed upto 11 in a classroom where she is She's got kids between 4 to 11 where she is They've been given zero PPE to wear for them or the kids and don't even have hand sanitizer so just having to encourage the kids to wash hands with hand soap which is all they have at the moment And keep encouraging the kids to social distance but at the lower ages finding it very hard[br I cannot envisage that we will be allowed to play contact sport My son is 16 and due to start as a scholar at a professional football club at the end of June There's a call lined up for him later this week to get an update on whether that will still happen or not In the meantime he's getting coaching sessions to follow at home in the garden and indoor on zoom I can't see contact sports happening any time soon other than at the highest levels for TV and mental health of the general public It goes against even the minimum relaxed social distancing proposals anywhere Surprised France has gone so severe so early though. That isn't a good sign. Under normal circumstances what's the size of the school? That doesn't surprise me about the PPE although if it was me I'd be getting my own, especially with the media fixation of solely hospitals and care homes. When they do report on schools there's never any mention of the teachers for some reason we just have to think of the children. The end of June is still a bit of a while off but out of interest would you be comfortable with him playing? Normal sized primary where she normally works. The teachers are working 1 in every 3 weeks on a Rota. One thing I found interesting is she said she is getting loads of thanks and praise from the parents who were really struggling to cope with having the kids at home. It's not just front line workers kids - there are kids in vulnerable situations there as well. One worry she has is they normally provide meals to some of the at risk kids. Now the parents are being given vouchers to spend on food instead and she's not convinced all the kids are getting the benefit from that they should.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 11:16:33 GMT
I've got a friend who is a Primary school teacher in Nottingham and back working 1 in every 3 weeks at schools operating under social distancing Teaching the kids from front line workers etc They are allowed upto 11 in a classroom where she is She's got kids between 4 to 11 where she is They've been given zero PPE to wear for them or the kids and don't even have hand sanitizer so just having to encourage the kids to wash hands with hand soap which is all they have at the moment And keep encouraging the kids to social distance but at the lower ages finding it very hard[br I cannot envisage that we will be allowed to play contact sport My son is 16 and due to start as a scholar at a professional football club at the end of June There's a call lined up for him later this week to get an update on whether that will still happen or not In the meantime he's getting coaching sessions to follow at home in the garden and indoor on zoom I can't see contact sports happening any time soon other than at the highest levels for TV and mental health of the general public It goes against even the minimum relaxed social distancing proposals anywhere Surprised France has gone so severe so early though. That isn't a good sign. Under normal circumstances what's the size of the school? That doesn't surprise me about the PPE although if it was me I'd be getting my own, especially with the media fixation of solely hospitals and care homes. When they do report on schools there's never any mention of the teachers for some reason we just have to think of the children. [? The kids aren't really at risk. Any with serious health issues will be kept at home. This issue is them spreading the virus while showing no symptoms. But.until they go back the economy can't get going again. There's no money tree to pay for all of this, furloughing only happened to stop public order breaking down. There's not going to be a vaccine for a year, the world can't stop for that long. I'm ok with going back into a classroom in June , I don't think waiting until September will be any better
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 29, 2020 11:53:58 GMT
The teachers and other workers are at risk from catching it from the kids and spreading it to their families
We've obviously had lots of NHS and care workers die already. We've had bus drivers die.
No doubt very sadly some teachers will die just catching this from doing their job
The teachers should all have PPE for sure.
They are the ones at risk
The teacher told me shes had at least 3 of the youngest kids run up and grab her/hug her each week
And that's when there's not many to keep an eye on
She says most of the day they are reminding them all to "keep your distance"
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 30, 2020 5:00:15 GMT
I'm resigned to the fact competitive sport ain't going to happen for 99 per cent of players until we get a viable vaccine
Think about it
How do away teams of any level get to a game?
Whether it's a school or an adult team?
Even relaxed social distance rules won't allow non family members to share cars
Let alone mini buses
So what's the alternative?
Everybody travelling to games individually in separate cars (kids with parents and adults on their own)? Anyone who's coached or managed a team knows some players need lifts. More than ever now I imagine as people lose jobs or self isolate etc.
Never going to happen
Once at a game - where would the players get changed?
How many changing rooms and showers etc are designed for any form of social distancing?
The chances are if just one player on either team is carrying the disease unknowingly that they are going to be passing it on to others within their own team and others on the opposition
And then whoever gets it on the opposition passes it on to his own team after the game
one kid or coach getting symptoms with track and trace would mean 100 plus people with families involved having to self isolate for 14 days after they contact all involved at the game
I think for the next 24 months it's find a way to train and keep the skills you have for your chosen sports and hope an effective vaccine comes sooner rather than later
Playing competitive contact sport isn't just about the game itself which is a risk it's going to be far more about before and after the game
Players travel to games together and travel back together
In shared cars, mini buses and at the higher levels in buses and planes
Just the logistics of doing that safelt will make competitive sport not viable for all but a few
And as a few pundits have been saying even at the highest level - just one team member or support member getting the disease which inevitably will happen (we've seen it already) starts a domino effect on the rest of the squad and any opponents etc having to self isolate for 14 days
Team sport can't happen guys until we get a vaccine
I want it to happen as much as anybody - but the logistics won't allow it
The inherent risks are too high and too varied to be overcome IMO
Even competing within single schools without the extra travel risks for teams together will go against all the other things they implement at schools to keep kids safely apart
UFC are trying to find a way for just two people to compete safely by flying them to a private island and keeping them there for weeks on end
But even that idea is prone to criticusm
We won't be having teams competing and if we do it will get stopped in its tracks early on I'm sure once team members catch the disease
I don't like thinking this but I can't see how competitive contact sport can come up with answers that can possibly work?
Off the court or pitch - let alone on it.
As it stands Premier League footballers are driving to training grounds alone in their kit. Getting out of their cars - going on to the grass and getting one to one coaching from a distance before walking back to their cars and driving home. Not allowed to use toilets at the training ground or enter any buildings.
That's safe. Bring any of them together and you just add risks that the club's won't be able to manage long term
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 7:51:18 GMT
I see we're back to massively long, repetitive, posts as one person attempts to stifle debate to ensure that his view is accepted.
It's exactly why I told myself that I wouldn't post on this thread. I've let myself down. I'm going back into therapy. TTFN*
*this thread only.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 30, 2020 8:32:14 GMT
I see we're back to massively long, repetitive, posts as one person attempts to stifle debate to ensure that his view is accepted. It's exactly why I told myself that I wouldn't post on this thread. I've let myself down. I'm going back into therapy. TTFN* *this thread only. Nice contribution
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 30, 2020 8:38:47 GMT
I see we're back to massively long, repetitive, posts as one person attempts to stifle debate to ensure that his view is accepted. It's exactly why I told myself that I wouldn't post on this thread. I've let myself down. I'm going back into therapy. TTFN* *this thread only. Pretty much everything I've just posted is new and up for debate? just because it's not good news he sulks and runs away. This poster has no answers at all to those issues. So instead he attacks the messenger. And will then no doubt slag the messenger off on his blog to cheer himself up. Anyone who's not scared of difficult situations on here got any ideas on how contact sport can deal with logistical challenges above and get anywhere near to social distancing? Players. Parents, coaches, refs etc all to wear masks, goggles and gloves maybe? To and from games and whilst playing? Take their own kit home? Local matches only to reduce travel risks? Theres been talk of neutral venues for pro clubs to use that are all geared up for social distancing. To save countless venues that can't handle it trying to adjust. very limiting on the amount of games that can be played. It might work for a few basketball games but not really solving the bigger problem. move basketball outside and play it in the summer might help give us something that is safer? need some clever coaches to find things for their teams to do individually to keep their skills up
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Post by gunnerman on Apr 30, 2020 8:50:25 GMT
Riderfan, you are spot on but its a tough pill to swallow for some who are holding out hope that sport will resume this year. It won't. Germany will follow French in cancelling football and the rest of Europe will follow. Its just too dangerous and uncertain. This debate should evolve into what sport (basketball in Europe/UK in particular) will look like in 2021 and beyond. I suspect there will be a lot less clubs, lower budgets, less imports and more domestic players, playing in their respective domestic leagues.
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Post by ko25 on Apr 30, 2020 9:11:48 GMT
Riderfan, you are spot on but its a tough pill to swallow for some who are holding out hope that sport will resume this year. It won't. Germany will follow French in cancelling football and the rest of Europe will follow. Its just too dangerous and uncertain. This debate should evolve into what sport (basketball in Europe/UK in particular) will look like in 2021 and beyond. I suspect there will be a lot less clubs, lower budgets, less imports and more domestic players, playing in their respective domestic leagues. Once on cancels it makes it easier for the rest to cancel. I think with the football holding out is something to do with the number of Champions League places countries get if they don't complete the season. Out of interest why do you think there will be a lot less clubs?
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 30, 2020 9:16:43 GMT
Riderfan, you are spot on but its a tough pill to swallow for some who are holding out hope that sport will resume this year. It won't. Germany will follow French in cancelling football and the rest of Europe will follow. Its just too dangerous and uncertain. This debate should evolve into what sport (basketball in Europe/UK in particular) will look like in 2021 and beyond. I suspect there will be a lot less clubs, lower budgets, less imports and more domestic players, playing in their respective domestic leagues. Once on cancels it makes it easier for the rest to cancel. I think with the football holding out is something to do with the number of Champions League places countries get if they don't complete the season. Out of interest why do you think there will be a lot less clubs? Any club with its own venue will struggle to survive without rich benefactors. They've not just lost match income. Those venues revolve around conferences and dinners and weddings and events. All stopped in their tracks at the same time. 13 out of 36 bundesliga clubs have said they will go bust if they can't end the season behind closed doors. They need the final TV payments to pay monies they owe to creditors already. It will be similar in all sports around the world.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 9:16:47 GMT
move basketball outside and play it in the summer AHAHAHAHAH
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 30, 2020 9:21:09 GMT
Re transport to games or anywhere next few months
There's a leaked report today saying buses for public and schools will need to be limited to 12 per cent capacity to allow safe social distancing inside them
The tube limited to 15 per cent capacity.
No BBL club will be able to afford travel costs to games. Forget about anything else.
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Post by ko25 on Apr 30, 2020 9:31:48 GMT
Once on cancels it makes it easier for the rest to cancel. I think with the football holding out is something to do with the number of Champions League places countries get if they don't complete the season. Out of interest why do you think there will be a lot less clubs? Any club with its own venue will struggle to survive without rich benefactors. They've not just lost match income. Those venues revolve around conferences and dinners and weddings and events. All stopped in their tracks at the same time. 13 out of 36 bundesliga clubs have said they will go bust if they can't end the season behind closed doors. They need the final TV payments to pay monies they owe to creditors already. It will be similar in all sports around the world. It's prob not best to get me drawn into a football conversation as they're all in so much debt anyway a normal business or bball club wouldn't be allowed to do it.
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Post by LTFan on Apr 30, 2020 11:18:37 GMT
I'd settle for a closed BBL game, as long as it was broadcast. So bored with TV, need a sports fix and soon. Even watched that Taiwan basketball today but it's just not the same. I really don't think we'll see BBL games being played behind closed doors. Financially it just won't work. But I think we'll probably see the NBA resume with games being played behind closed doors.
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Post by connors on Apr 30, 2020 16:35:03 GMT
I think IRF makes some points that are quite difficult to suggest solutions to.
I guess one blanket answer is the resumption of contact and/or team sports could be possible by basically throwing caution to the wind and subscribing to the herd immunity theory. Trusting the government to protect those who are most at risk and then get on with it...
Not sure whether I believe that is feasible, sensible or possible
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 30, 2020 20:25:16 GMT
I think IRF makes some points that are quite difficult to suggest solutions to. I guess one blanket answer is the resumption of contact and/or team sports could be possible by basically throwing caution to the wind and subscribing to the herd immunity theory. Trusting the government to protect those who are most at risk and then get on with it... Not sure whether I believe that is feasible, sensible or possible If they are limiting buses to 12 per cent capacity. Tubes to 15 per cent capacity. Shops to 1 or 2 people at a time. Restaurants to 4 people maximum at a table etc etc etc. School classrooms to 11 kids maximum. All on the one hand. On the other hand they aren't going to say you 20 go and have a game of basketball together It just ain't happening. I don't even think the top Premier League football clubs will be allowed to do it in the end. Despite all the resources they can throw at it someone in each squad or group will get the disease and then the domino effect will stop all the others competing. I hope I'm wrong. But someone will need to produce a magic wand to solve this for all of us.
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