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Post by foxprorawks on May 15, 2020 16:45:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 17:13:11 GMT
80% Champs. If it is the end then it’ll be more than a fitting end for the Rocks joke of an owner. Be sad to see the Official Duncan Smillie Club die off so quickly.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 18:04:25 GMT
Rocks' desperation to be given - and i do mean given, tbey certainly haven't won it - the title is truly pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 18:04:49 GMT
Rocks' desperation to be given - and i do mean given, tbey certainly havent win it - - the title is truly pathetic.
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Post by youngrocks on May 15, 2020 18:40:10 GMT
Im not even sure what percentage of rocks fans are in support of this? The spoken majority/miority certainly are against it which is ironic with the launch of the new OSC aim to reconnect with the fanbase and franchise. I always take what low says with a pinch of salt.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 18:50:25 GMT
Im not even sure what percentage of rocks fans are in support of this? The spoken majority/miority certainly are against it which is ironic with the launch of the new OSC aim to reconnect with the fanbase and franchise. I always take what low says with a pinch of salt. The launch of the OSC was a last grasp money grab. He never care do about the fans for the three years had had the franchise and it took a global pandemic with the loss of a large chunk of corporate sponsorship to kid on he cares. It was far too little far too late.
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Post by interestedridersfan on May 15, 2020 19:06:25 GMT
There's at least one glaring mistake in that article
There was NO generous bailout to rugby league from the government at all
It was a loan
And that's based on Rugby League having a financial model for the future that will allow the league to pay back the loan (they hope)
Basically BBL need a donation or grant to survive
And will need to join the queue of countless other causes (sporting and charity and community) that will all need the same
We've got clubs futures at stake and the league future at stake at the same time
And it's an indoor sport which makes it even harder to social distance players and fans alike long term let alone short term
So it's going to be a hard sell
I'm expecting pro basketball in UK will have to go into hibernation for a while
And then see who wants to start things up again in the future and see who's got any money to spend or sponsors to back them
If the club's got money now - what would they actually be able to do with it other than pay old bills?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 0:05:26 GMT
And we’ll be having our own celebration when it’s officially announced that there will be no more games.” What a ****ing cock.
I don't get how he (and Smillie) can sound so proud about winning a league without actually finishing it.
Neither of them have once even acknowledged the fact there are games-in-hand and games against good teams they'd still have had to play.
Utter dicks, and I'll be having a celebration of my own when the league tell you do stick it up your ass.
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Post by 2NFR on May 16, 2020 11:58:02 GMT
To be honest I couldnt give a toss about who is awarded the league this year. My main concern is the long term survival of the BBL, and when/if it returns !! Hard times ahead for all of us ... for sure !! ... be well, be safe and take care
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Post by foxprorawks on May 16, 2020 12:04:35 GMT
I honestly can't see the BBL as a whole (and many other sports in the UK) surviving this. Even once we are back to some kind of normality, getting more than 200 people to attend an indoor event will be problematical for a long time to come. As a result, sponsorship will also be hard to come by - most companies who would be sponsors will have financial issues.
At that point, it really won't matter who won the league.
Cinemas, theatres, and public transport will face the same problem - we just won't be able to have people in as close proximity as before. At least, not for a long time.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 17:33:36 GMT
IF the league did fold then how do we replace it to better benefit the wider basketball community, I've never been a fan of the pretentious, closed shop, franchise system.
I think we need a new National league encompassing all 4 corners of the UK,
A 12 team top tier playing Home & Away for 22 games, followed by a playoff involving the top 8 teams. Bottom team gets automatically relegated with the 11th placed team in a 2 legged playoff to try and save themselves.
2nd tier of 16 teams playing 30 games, 1 automatically promoted with teams placed 2nd to 10th entering a playoff to decide who plays the 11th placed Top tier team.
Below that you'd have the RDL's or Regional Development Leagues, basically it would be 4 leagues based on England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland
The RDL wouldn't have any promotion to the 2nd tier, it'd be more like a football league that isn't incorporated into the league pyramid such as those leagues of Guernsey & Jersey which are affiliated to the FA but aren't part of the English league pyramid.
The RDL's focus would strictly be on developing players who'd then be ready to take the step up to the 2nd tier.
As far as foreign players go it'd be like
Top tier - 5 but only 3 on the court at any time 2nd tier - 3 but only 2 on the court at any time RDL - No imports allowed
There'd also be an FA Cup style 32 team competition
The 28 teams from Top & 2nd tiers with 4 spots reserved for RDL sides, for the first season the teams would be from the capital city of each country, so London, Edinburgh, Cardiff & Belfast. After the teams to compete in the season after would be the champions of each RDL. Plus to help the draw be as near competitive as possible, the 4 RDL teams would be drawn against each other with the winners then playing whoever, think of it like the Qualifying Round of the FA Cup
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Post by saintpat on May 16, 2020 17:57:56 GMT
Just a thought, if the BBL failed to re-emerge or the 20-21 season was cancelled till January but there was a European club competition, could a BBL team enter that? If that was all the basketball available & it was broadcast perhaps a team could get sufficient sponsorship to take it on.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 8:07:48 GMT
Don, I'm not sure how viable your second tier is with 16 clubs. There's only ten D1 clubs you'd even consider putting in a competition that had automatic promotion to the top flight, and that's including Loughborough who'd have to break their link with Riders. Are their six clubs in the rest of the UK who could afford to play in such a competition. For a Scottish club that would be five weekends away in England for double headers, that's a lot of cash. Would this even appeal to a side from Northern Ireland? Only Belfast Star compete in the Irish Super League, an it would be a huge financial outlay to play in a glorified Division One. Wales has never got close to sustaining a decent NBL side. Cardiff were boom & bust, Glamorgan pottered around in D2 for a while before packing up.
I'd like to see a BBL II, but I'd look for quality rather than quantity with an emphasis of achieving proper standards before automatic promotion to the top flight. While the semi-pro sides are in a competition run by BE that level of the game will not progress.
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Post by scotball on May 17, 2020 10:49:51 GMT
Why does everyone talk about a team in Belfast?
Basketball is an all-Ireland sport. Basketball in this country is as Great Britain. Its not a UK thing.
Not withstanding the obvious travel difficulties, its just a non starter.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 15:02:44 GMT
Why does everyone talk about a team in Belfast? Basketball is an all-Ireland sport. Basketball in this country is as Great Britain. Its not a UK thing. Not withstanding the obvious travel difficulties, its just a non starter. Ice hockey is an all Ireland sport too but Belfast has a team in both the Elite League for their senior team and a junior team that plays in the Scottish set up.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 15:15:53 GMT
Don, I'm not sure how viable your second tier is with 16 clubs. There's only ten D1 clubs you'd even consider putting in a competition that had automatic promotion to the top flight, and that's including Loughborough who'd have to break their link with Riders. Are their six clubs in the rest of the UK who could afford to play in such a competition. For a Scottish club that would be five weekends away in England for double headers, that's a lot of cash. Would this even appeal to a side from Northern Ireland? Only Belfast Star compete in the Irish Super League, an it would be a huge financial outlay to play in a glorified Division One. Wales has never got close to sustaining a decent NBL side. Cardiff were boom & bust, Glamorgan pottered around in D2 for a while before packing up. I'd like to see a BBL II, but I'd look for quality rather than quantity with an emphasis of achieving proper standards before automatic promotion to the top flight. While the semi-pro sides are in a competition run by BE that level of the game will not progress. The 2nd tier wouldn't have 10 teams from the same country though, it'd be 4 teams from each nation, besides, the RDL would have different divisions within it so that teams would be playing at the appropriate level. As for the logistics side you can try and strike a deal with a ferry company to be the official travel partner of the league or title sponsor, all it needs is professionalism. I'm well aware that finances are different in ice hockey compared to Basketball and the states of the national teams are far apart but you need to engage with teams to put forward ideas, basketball in this country needs to evolve, we need to follow the lead of ice hockey, for many years their national team was poor but these past few years they've improved to the point of being at the top table with the big boys. I firmly believe if we can follow their blueprint that basketball in this country can flourish.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 15:27:25 GMT
Why does everyone talk about a team in Belfast? Basketball is an all-Ireland sport. Basketball in this country is as Great Britain. Its not a UK thing. Not withstanding the obvious travel difficulties, its just a non starter. Ice hockey is an all Ireland sport too but Belfast has a team in both the Elite League for their senior team and a junior team that plays in the Scottish set up. There's and English team playing in the Scottish football league system, there's Welsh teams playing in the English Football system. Having an Irish or Northern Irish team in UK basketball system isn't outside the realms of possibility, if there was a market and will for it to happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 15:31:26 GMT
Ice hockey is an all Ireland sport too but Belfast has a team in both the Elite League for their senior team and a junior team that plays in the Scottish set up. There's and English team playing in the Scottish football league system, there's Welsh teams playing in the English Football system. Having an Irish or Northern Irish team in UK basketball system isn't outside the realms of possibility, if there was a market and will for it to happen. Aye the English team in Scotland ended up losing in a playoff to drop out of the main 42 team system, plus Gretna played in English football for many years
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Post by ko25 on May 17, 2020 16:12:29 GMT
There's and English team playing in the Scottish football league system, there's Welsh teams playing in the English Football system. Having an Irish or Northern Irish team in UK basketball system isn't outside the realms of possibility, if there was a market and will for it to happen. Aye the English team in Scotland ended up losing in a playoff to drop out of the main 42 team system, plus Gretna played in English football for many years What team was it? t31020
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 18:52:17 GMT
Don, I'm not sure how viable your second tier is with 16 clubs. There's only ten D1 clubs you'd even consider putting in a competition that had automatic promotion to the top flight, and that's including Loughborough who'd have to break their link with Riders. Are their six clubs in the rest of the UK who could afford to play in such a competition. For a Scottish club that would be five weekends away in England for double headers, that's a lot of cash. Would this even appeal to a side from Northern Ireland? Only Belfast Star compete in the Irish Super League, an it would be a huge financial outlay to play in a glorified Division One. Wales has never got close to sustaining a decent NBL side. Cardiff were boom & bust, Glamorgan pottered around in D2 for a while before packing up. I'd like to see a BBL II, but I'd look for quality rather than quantity with an emphasis of achieving proper standards before automatic promotion to the top flight. While the semi-pro sides are in a competition run by BE that level of the game will not progress. The 2nd tier wouldn't have 10 teams from the same country though, it'd be 4 teams from each nation, besides, the RDL would have different divisions within it so that teams would be playing at the appropriate level. As for the logistics side you can try and strike a deal with a ferry company to be the official travel partner of the league or title sponsor, all it needs is professionalism. I'm well aware that finances are different in ice hockey compared to Basketball and the states of the national teams are far apart but you need to engage with teams to put forward ideas, basketball in this country needs to evolve, we need to follow the lead of ice hockey, for many years their national team was poor but these past few years they've improved to the point of being at the top table with the big boys. I firmly believe if we can follow their blueprint that basketball in this country can flourish. Wow. This is pure fantasy, then. Neither Wales or NI have ever shown they could support four (semi)pro basketball teams. The English RDL would probably end up being stronger (over all) than the league above it & if it wasn't all this would have achieved is to lower the standard of play for many teams in England.
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Post by Hearsay247 on May 17, 2020 23:37:10 GMT
Aye the English team in Scotland ended up losing in a playoff to drop out of the main 42 team system, plus Gretna played in English football for many years What team was it? t31020 Berwick
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 13:30:58 GMT
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Post by LTFan on May 18, 2020 13:55:04 GMT
Just a thought, if the BBL failed to re-emerge or the 20-21 season was cancelled till January but there was a European club competition, could a BBL team enter that? If that was all the basketball available & it was broadcast perhaps a team could get sufficient sponsorship to take it on. I've been looking into this, and should the FIBA Basketball Champions League return for the 2020/21 season and the BBL not, I can't find anything to suggest a BBL team couldn't participate using their invite from the previous season. For example, just because it's topical, when 777 Partners recently took over ownership of London Lions they stated they'd like to see Lions playing in the FIBA Basketball Champions League 'next season'. So if the BBL didn't happen in 2020/21 but the FIBA Basketball Champions League did, then I can't see why Lions couldn't play in that. I'm not saying that'll happen, or that it'll make financial sense to do so, but I can't see any rules preventing it.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 14:03:47 GMT
I liked the interview. There were definitely a few exaggerations in it but I do believe Low had a panic when he realised the pandemic had hit in style and wasn't going away any time soon so cut his financial loses with the team and sold up his shares, or at least a good chunk of them. The BBL and many of its clubs, like other businesses, must be in a mess long term because of the pandemic. I could easily believe that it was ususal for the BBL to be running on near empty bank balances, I could easily believe it was living from income to income and owed some teams money. Whether it was as bad as Low made out? Who knows. Its not outside the realms of possibility though. The league thought it was a great idea to play games when the rest of the country was closed. Companies House account for the BBL. Seems they did owe a few clubs a chunck of change. £368k in change.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 20:45:38 GMT
Your link doesn't work. Something I have experience in
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