Haha Glasgow

Just had a look and I don't see the problem.

Yep, Joe is correct in what he says

The jury's out for me on this.

Personally, as a long term Rocks fan, I remain ardent that to win our first title in so long, it had to be legit and outright. But the more this goes on the more and the reaction of some others I do start to wonder, just a little bit (hey maybe just to piss them off), why shouldn't the Rocks get it?

By the way, I don't condone in the slightest how Smillie's gone about this from the start (and I'm sure that's played into how other clubs and fans have reacted).

People's arguments that it was it closest in years is really a non argument. Almost every other league that has curtailed/cancelled their season has decided it on ppg (points per game). You don't get to choose whether the leading team was one point ahead or 20 points ahead.

Look at the football. Raith were leading the league by one point from Falkirk with 9 games to go (with roughly the same % of the originally planned season complete). I'd argue there's a lot more permutations / opportunities to overturn one point in football, than there is to overturn 4 points in 5 games of basketball. Ppg was good enough for them to award the title, but not the BBL.

I'm also sure that David Low's association with the Rocks, and the fact he's a massive walloper who managed to rub everyone up the wrong way, probably likely played a part in the decision too. I don't blame anyone on the board for that, but then they shouldn't claim it was wholly objective.

And all this, people coming out with that they wouldn't claim the title if they were in that position, give it a break. Leicester or London in that position at the point of lockdown would be all over the League trophy like a bad rash, because they know they can translate the title winner tag line into business development. As Smillie also said, a trophy on a player or coach's CV can make a massive difference to their future opportunities / prospects. The reason, as mentioned before, these clubs are claiming they wouldn't is due to the way Smillie's gone about it, giving them a moral high horse to sit on.

Joes bang on in what he Tweets. Whole thing smacks of desperation on Rocks part.

That being said, Lavandier himself seems a classy guy and has stayed away from the "give us the title" thing.

Give it to Manchester then. It doesn't hurt anybody after all... **** it, let's just not play games anymore and just make up results and pretend we have games.

You don't just go giving a title out to a team for the sake of giving it out. Either the team earn it, or they don't. On this occasion, they hadn't so tough **** and move on.

Absolutely agree re Lavandier. He’s stayed well out of the argument as far as I can see. Much respect for that guy. Hope we see him back.

I don’t take issue at all with anything Big Joe has tweeted. In fact, I believe he’s absolutely right.

Smilie’s desperate attempt to claim the trophy is absolutely laughable. The fact he won’t let it go is pathetic. What’s more, his antics will cause the Rocks to have a target on their back next season. The whole league is laughing at them, and I strongly believe all teams will go out and try and wipe the floor with them next year as a result of this. Maybe it will make the league more interesting!

I also believe he’s so desperate because he knows deep down that the Rocks don’t stand a chance at winning the Championship for many years to come. Lavandier is a great coach and has exponentially improved them this year, but Leicester will come back stronger, Plymouth have a new billionaire owner on board, the Lions could be an intriguing team if their new investment comes to anything and Newcastle are always legit contenders. I’d be willing to eat humble pie if I’m wrong, but I believe that pie will be burning in the oven and will ultimately turn to dust, just like the Rocks title claim this season.

I'm fine with them voiding it completely. I think all sports leagues that couldn't resume should have done that.

Buy when other sports are deciding final positions based on PPG it wouldn't look odd for the BBL to do it. Because of that it's a missed opportunity for publicity and sponsorship for a league that needs every penny.

I also wonder if the other clubs would have been so reluctant if a team like Newcastle or Leicester, with more popular and respected owners, had finished top.

Duncan Smillie always said he wanted judged on the trophies the team wins but he's managed to get himself judged as the guy that has made the Rocks franchise a laughing stock. He would best do with keeping his mouth shut and stop any further embarrassment to the players and coaching staff but going with the professionalism the Rocks organisation has shown off-court the whole season I don't see that happening any time soon.

But on the floor theyre better. Seriously I think hed have been judged a success thus provided hed have just kept his mouth shut. 

Rocks were the better team in the league at that time. That is a fact. Best win % best away record etc.

However 'at that time' should never be the meaning for deserving the league. I think there is a very small minority of rocks fans who agree with Smillie. I and the posters on here certainly don't. The irony is in his time as rocks owner its taken him until the 3rd season to get it right. He had the chance to get Lavandier in after Sterl but chose to go with Tony G...

I definitely wouldn't say its the best rocks team. Its up there but his season no cup final and no trophy final. Just a good record.

Hope boshspice does eat pie. No evidence that leicester will be better. No evidene that the turkish dude wil invest heavily. No evidence london will be good. Plus no evidence to suggest that rocks could actually be even beter?

I think we could at least award Rocks The Most Improved Team of The Year Award