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Post by scotball on Jun 3, 2020 20:47:39 GMT
With the news that the 2019-20 season is over, you'll know that the BBL has also posted some initial plans for the format of the 2020-21 season. There's a Yorkshire Post article saying the BBL will likely start back in October: www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/other-sport/offer-just-ticket-sheffield-sharks-fans-2872931?fbclid=IwAR2lwz0jTj1Bzz4854DnSUw7rwbQEk7192Xhi2bTp1TdvJVzAVoV3-Lmj9Q
There's also a Hoopsfix article saying the O2 is already booked for 09-May for the 2021 Playoff Final: www.hoopsfix.com/2020/06/bbl-announces-cancellation-of-2019-20-season-format-changes-for-next-year/So taking these as the start and finish dates for the league, and taking into account that: - there will be 30 league games (which will take 33 matchdays to complete) - 10 Cup group stage matches - a further 4 Cup knockout games - 5 Trophy games - 2 International Basketball windows when there will be no gamesEven if play starts on the first weekend in October (2nd-4th), the BBL's clubs will need to play 2 games every single weekend until the Playoff final on 09-May to complete the above (assuming the players are allowed to take Christmas Day and New's Years Day matchdays off)Opportunity - Lots of basketball to watchRisk - The practicality of having absolutely no room for maneuver when teams don't own their venues (especially when they'll likely be multiple weekends when teams are expected to play 2 home games). - An extremely punishing schedule ie fitness / injuries to players when teams will likely trying to keep a lid on costs
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 3, 2020 20:55:55 GMT
Over optimistic?
I would say that's an understatement!
Playing lots of matches not the issue
Being allowed to play ANY matches at all by October will be the issue
Or even in 2020
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Post by davef on Jun 3, 2020 21:00:58 GMT
If the league starts late I am sure it would finish later and the o2 would be used for cup or trophy final.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 3, 2020 21:20:22 GMT
I guess if clubs want to sell season tickets and get some income then they need a potential season to sell and they needed BBL to create one for them.
I have to say that anybody taking the plunge to buy season tickets would surely need to do so knowing it may end up being a donation to the club with potentially nothing in return they can watch rather than guaranteeing a season of basketball for them to attend
In the normal world you could buy a season ticket with a credit card and the get a refund if not honoured
I can't imagine any credit card companies will be promising that any more with any kind of sport or hospitality etc
Or if they are the money will be staying with the card companies and not being released to the club's etc until what they sell is honoured. Which won't help the club's cashflow in turn.
Right now our BBL clubs and many others in the sports or hospitality industry will have pretty much a zero credit rating. Through no fault of their own. And credit card companies won't be taking any risks now.
So it's going to be the fans who have to decide whether to take the risk or not.
I can't see many taking the risk tbh. Paying deposits or up front for anything at all right now is unlikely. Too much uncertainty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 21:41:21 GMT
If only you'd mentioned any of this before
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 4, 2020 5:55:05 GMT
If only you'd mentioned any of this before Do you sell season tickets Hersey? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 8:46:09 GMT
I'd run a winter league at least for two years. Bit more time to ensure people are allowed back into arenas again and also feel comfortable coming back.
This should decrease the price of import players too as those players coming in will be the ones who couldn't get other jobs for the money they initially asked for and so will be taking less to ensure they actually get a job after pricing themselves out previously - Tim Williams to Leicester being a prime example.
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Post by GetREAL on Jun 4, 2020 10:27:07 GMT
I guess if clubs want to sell season tickets and get some income then they need a potential season to sell and they needed BBL to create one for them. I have to say that anybody taking the plunge to buy season tickets would surely need to do so knowing it may end up being a donation to the club with potentially nothing in return they can watch rather than guaranteeing a season of basketball for them to attend In the normal world you could buy a season ticket with a credit card and the get a refund if not honoured I can't imagine any credit card companies will be promising that any more with any kind of sport or hospitality etc Or if they are the money will be staying with the card companies and not being released to the club's etc until what they sell is honoured. Which won't help the club's cashflow in turn. Right now our BBL clubs and many others in the sports or hospitality industry will have pretty much a zero credit rating. Through no fault of their own. And credit card companies won't be taking any risks now. So it's going to be the fans who have to decide whether to take the risk or not. I can't see many taking the risk tbh. Paying deposits or up front for anything at all right now is unlikely. Too much uncertainty. Interesting perspective and spot on in areas. There is way too much uncertainty related to Covid to even think about selling season tickets for a 20/21 season. And the odds are that there will be no indoor basketball games played with fans remainder of this year with restrictions on attendance in 2021 or until a vaccine is found.. One should not underestimate the real economic fallout as well as a second spike in cases. Also, too much uncertainty around what the BBL will look like in 6 months time and if I'm a betting gal, we will have less clubs playing when/if it resurfaces. Also once the "all clear for spectators" is in effect, there will be a barrage of sports, films, concerts, theatre entities ALL looking to restart at the same time. Some will be more capitalised than others but everyone will be marketing/competing at the same time for customers. Those with marketing budgets will do better than those who do not have budget. Maybe the BBL should consider sitting out a year, sorting its finances and re entering the sports landscape on better footing and when we are on the downslope of the pandemic. Just a thought. GetREAL! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 14:43:39 GMT
So cringey that they sign off every post like that. You're not in the WWE
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 17:38:30 GMT
So cringey that they sign off every post like that. You're not in the WWE Like what? I think I'm missing something here... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 18:00:13 GMT
Get real! Writes their name at the end of every single post
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Post by GetREAL on Jun 4, 2020 20:29:04 GMT
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Post by youngrocks on Jun 4, 2020 20:38:51 GMT
As a sport basketball hss since the olympics got basically nothing from the government. It doesn't seem like changing.
Sam on hoopfix raised a great point on his Twitter timeline. We all get outraged but how many people actively support the pro league or team and instead just beat down on the quality of product.
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Post by ko25 on Jun 4, 2020 22:49:26 GMT
So cringey that they sign off every post like that. You're not in the WWE It's like when you get a text off a parent and they sign it off mum even though you already know who it is!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 6:51:55 GMT
🤣🤣 exactly!
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Post by sussexbantam on Jun 5, 2020 7:50:53 GMT
I guess if clubs want to sell season tickets and get some income then they need a potential season to sell and they needed BBL to create one for them. I have to say that anybody taking the plunge to buy season tickets would surely need to do so knowing it may end up being a donation to the club with potentially nothing in return they can watch rather than guaranteeing a season of basketball for them to attend In the normal world you could buy a season ticket with a credit card and the get a refund if not honoured I can't imagine any credit card companies will be promising that any more with any kind of sport or hospitality etc Or if they are the money will be staying with the card companies and not being released to the club's etc until what they sell is honoured. Which won't help the club's cashflow in turn. Right now our BBL clubs and many others in the sports or hospitality industry will have pretty much a zero credit rating. Through no fault of their own. And credit card companies won't be taking any risks now. So it's going to be the fans who have to decide whether to take the risk or not. I can't see many taking the risk tbh. Paying deposits or up front for anything at all right now is unlikely. Too much uncertainty. I'd buy a season ticket for the Scorchers tomorrow if they put them on sale. I know its a risk but I want my team to survive and I'm prepared to put some money into that.. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 5, 2020 9:10:50 GMT
I guess if clubs want to sell season tickets and get some income then they need a potential season to sell and they needed BBL to create one for them. I have to say that anybody taking the plunge to buy season tickets would surely need to do so knowing it may end up being a donation to the club with potentially nothing in return they can watch rather than guaranteeing a season of basketball for them to attend In the normal world you could buy a season ticket with a credit card and the get a refund if not honoured I can't imagine any credit card companies will be promising that any more with any kind of sport or hospitality etc Or if they are the money will be staying with the card companies and not being released to the club's etc until what they sell is honoured. Which won't help the club's cashflow in turn. Right now our BBL clubs and many others in the sports or hospitality industry will have pretty much a zero credit rating. Through no fault of their own. And credit card companies won't be taking any risks now. So it's going to be the fans who have to decide whether to take the risk or not. I can't see many taking the risk tbh. Paying deposits or up front for anything at all right now is unlikely. Too much uncertainty. I'd buy a season ticket for the Scorchers tomorrow if they put them on sale. I know its a risk but I want my team to survive and I'm prepared to put some money into that.. We all want the club's to survive. My point is buying a season ticket that's very unlikely to start and/or allow you to watch isn't necessarily the best way to go about this Pledging to give some money or funds knowing you will be given a season ticket in return etc at some stage might be better than the league and to some extent the clubs suggesting its all as normal and we start back in October The league and clubs need our support 100 per cent I would just prefer myself some realism about this - otherwise you are just almost throwing money at a problem that the league and clubs don't actually have a viable solution for They would just be taking money from people almost under false pretenses IMO |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 9:43:41 GMT
You've made your point. You don't need to remake it if someone has a slightly different view.
If I was buying an ST, I would consider that I'm effectively paying for the next 20 (or whatever) home games played in front of a crowd and if the crowd size was restricted I'd be given preferential treatment.
The BBL's plans are over-optimistic but that doesn't mean they won't play next season.
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Post by sussexbantam on Jun 5, 2020 9:47:24 GMT
I'd buy a season ticket for the Scorchers tomorrow if they put them on sale. I know its a risk but I want my team to survive and I'm prepared to put some money into that.. We all want the club's to survive. My point is buying a season ticket that's very unlikely to start and/or allow you to watch isn't necessarily the best way to go about this Pledging to give some money or funds knowing you will be given a season ticket in return etc at some stage might be better than the league and to some extent the clubs suggesting its all as normal and we start back in October The league and clubs need our support 100 per cent I would just prefer myself some realism about this - otherwise you are just almost throwing money at a problem that the league and clubs don't actually have a viable solution for They would just be taking money from people almost under false pretenses IMO I'm not sure there is a huge difference between "please buy a season ticket" and "please pledge some money and we will give you a season ticket" but I think your point is more that promoting an October start is unlikely and selling tickets under that belief would be wrong. I'm sure that if the season was delayed the tickets would just be rolled forward so I'm happy with either scenario. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 5, 2020 10:48:13 GMT
We all want the club's to survive. My point is buying a season ticket that's very unlikely to start and/or allow you to watch isn't necessarily the best way to go about this Pledging to give some money or funds knowing you will be given a season ticket in return etc at some stage might be better than the league and to some extent the clubs suggesting its all as normal and we start back in October The league and clubs need our support 100 per cent I would just prefer myself some realism about this - otherwise you are just almost throwing money at a problem that the league and clubs don't actually have a viable solution for They would just be taking money from people almost under false pretenses IMO I'm not sure there is a huge difference between "please buy a season ticket" and "please pledge some money and we will give you a season ticket" but I think your point is more that promoting an October start is unlikely and selling tickets under that belief would be wrong. I'm sure that if the season was delayed the tickets would just be rolled forward so I'm happy with either scenario. Yes that's my point entirely I would prefer more realism and transparency Do you honestly believe the league or the club's actually expect to be playing in front of crowds in October? To me it's a short term attempt to produce some monies for the teams And it might backfire as many won't believe it But that's just my opinion I say again the vast majority of fans will want to support their clubs. But the fans need treating with reality and respect in amongst all this. I think. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 5, 2020 10:55:05 GMT
You've made your point. You don't need to remake it if someone has a slightly different view. If I was buying an ST, I would consider that I'm effectively paying for the next 20 (or whatever) home games played in front of a crowd and if the crowd size was restricted I'd be given preferential treatment. The BBL's plans are over-optimistic but that doesn't mean they won't play next season. And it doesn't mean they WILL play next season either as you know very well Hersey This season when the full season didn't happen the fans get offered some tickets or extra games for next season etc as the club's can't afford to pay refunds What happens if this season doesn't happen? Where is that money going to be? Paying BBL fees ? And BBL gone bust? What's the message to fans then ? (Ps I haven't made this point before at all) I've pointed out we are in the sh8t with Covid But now the BBL wants to almost pretend we aren't as they need money in Let's be honest - that's what this is about I'd rather my own club ask for support and I'd be interested to know where the money would be going whilst we are so uncertain what will happen next Buying a season ticket I wouldnt do but some honesty about what the club needs to survive and how they will be spending the money and I might help But that's me Maybe there's enough fans out there that will blindly buy tickets and then wait to find out what their options are when what they buy doesn't happen and their money isnt theirs any more I hate to sound negative but there's no point burying heads in the sand and thinking everything will work itself out in the end The league and clubs shouldnt appeal for help and support to survive IMO whilst taking money from supporters for a season they say will start in October Do it another way IMO Other clubs may well do so. Let's see |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 5, 2020 11:03:00 GMT
You've made your point. You don't need to remake it if someone has a slightly different view. If I was buying an ST, I would consider that I'm effectively paying for the next 20 (or whatever) home games played in front of a crowd and if the crowd size was restricted I'd be given preferential treatment. The BBL's plans are over-optimistic but that doesn't mean they won't play next season. Of if the crowd sizes are restricted you can't watch or there's no club or team to watch as it's not financially viable? Im going to see what other sports are saying in terms of season tickets and start dates All I know is BBL start date doesn't ring true at all! And you know that more than anybody |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 11:29:41 GMT
Do you ever even pause? I coukd answer so.e of that but CBA to read all thst crap.
Quick solution for you: don't buy a season ticket
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Post by GetReal on Jun 5, 2020 11:34:23 GMT
Lets Get Real lads. Selling season tickets for next season when there is (1) no certainty that games will be played in front of fans and (2) when Andy Webb and Sir Rodney has clearly stated that the league is not viable unless they can play in front of fans by September) will clearly be a dereliction of duty and the board knows that. Also, fans can of course donate, but what will that really do other than delay the inevitable. Now that its public knowledge that the Government won't bail out the BBL, that is a really negative signal to any sponsor, investor or vendor that may have been looking to get involved. The Government may have to step in to keep Basketball England, Scotland and Wales in order to keep some sort of grassroots programmes alive so to think they would also bailout the BBL was far fetched to begin with.
The BBL will have to reorganise and they should take some time out to raise proper funding from private investors (if they even can do that in this climate) and look to return next year sometime and pray that no one or rival entity with real money and competency doesn't emerge in the interim. In the meantime, we will have to just wait and see! GetREAL!
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Jun 5, 2020 12:22:52 GMT
So cringey that they sign off every post like that. You're not in the WWE I see what you mean. Reallyoldfeenixfan. |
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