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Post by raiders92 on Jun 15, 2020 18:55:43 GMT
Tbh I'm biased I do love a big ass American bruiser inside!!
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Post by theballersvoice on Jun 22, 2020 9:00:18 GMT
Hey guys, just adding my two pence here!
I think that the more that the league relies on imports - the harder the relationship that will be developed with the fans. Right now, what is happening to me in terms of marketing can look to a degree, backwards.
You see, NBA fans are more connected to the players. Don't believe me? Go check the comparative price of a Cavs ticket before and after LeBron left... Whilst here in the UK, it seems that we ask fans to be more connected to the club alone
With Americans that are undoubtedly looking to use this league as a stepping stone - and 4 being allowed. Let's assume that with 8 players usually fielded per team that the majority of the shots are going to come from the US guys.
What does that mean? That once they are out to NM1 France (3rd tier) or Finland next year. We will have a problem to try and do the same thing over again. Is this sustainable?
We say British guys are a pretty pound. But I'd like to qualify that notion in saying,
ONLY GUYS WHO ARE ABOVE THE BBL IN LEVEL OF PLAY ARE EXPENSIVE - MBA, Ashley Hamilton, Justin Robinson (insert similar player's name here)
I will always have to challenge this by saying - what is the connect in level of play and success of the league, from the outside looking in. To what extent does level of play put bums in seats?
I have read articles about Lithuania - who didn't have enough money - and what they did was invest in what they have domestically until they could play.
In short - how do we get out of this rat race of being an American stepping stone? And what makes you guys so confident that level of play will directly correlate with revenue generated?
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Post by connors on Jun 22, 2020 12:48:40 GMT
I agree with you ballersvoice (nice modest handle you have there :-))
As I mentioned before there have been some fantastic imports over the years who have actually done a lot for the sport. Quite a few of them even settled in the UK longer term. However that does not mean it is the only way. If players from the US were not allowed I still think the league could be competitive and entertaining for the fans. It almost certainly would be taking a step backwards with an aspiration to take 2 steps forward though. I can see why clubs would be reluctant and fans skeptical.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 15:23:52 GMT
Majority of fans are club fans then player fans and finally basketball fans and that's what causes so many problems in the domestic game, they dont actually know about basketball! I sat next to a man who had been a season ticket holder for over 10 years in pre season. He asked me if the usa select guys all played in the nba or just most of them, he didnt even realise it wasnt the national team! It was painful!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 15:50:10 GMT
I think we've sold a few tickets to people believing they're watching the USA national team over the years
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Post by theballersvoice on Jun 22, 2020 20:16:03 GMT
I agree with you ballersvoice (nice modest handle you have there :-)) As I mentioned before there have been some fantastic imports over the years who have actually done a lot for the sport. Quite a few of them even settled in the UK longer term. However that does not mean it is the only way. If players from the US were not allowed I still think the league could be competitive and entertaining for the fans. It almost certainly would be taking a step backwards with an aspiration to take 2 steps forward though. I can see why clubs would be reluctant and fans skeptical. Hahaha thanks (at the handle ) Those who have settled on the longer term, I think visa situations in the UK have made that a lil harder (enter Brexit). I don't think USA players should all go once and for all. But my mind goes to Germany where they have protectionism in the league where X amount of u23 domestic players must be on the roster AND play Y minutes per game/season. This can birth infrastructure - a medley of that and I guess not upping the US allowance 33% could help. I think fans honestly will not mind as much as we make out. Which American had you heard of before he hit the BBL?
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Post by theballersvoice on Jun 22, 2020 20:17:04 GMT
I think we've sold a few tickets to people believing they're watching the USA national team over the years And I've been sold at 6'7" before!
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Post by davef on Jun 22, 2020 23:58:58 GMT
I think the German bbl has a 6 foreigner limit?
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Post by theballersvoice on Jun 23, 2020 8:33:53 GMT
I think the German bbl has a 6 foreigner limit? Yes - but they also have protectionism rules too (and enough money to attract local talent, from broadcast deals and the like!)
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Post by davef on Jun 24, 2020 20:03:35 GMT
We have protectionism rules too. At least 5 out of 10 (or 7 out of 12) have to be Brits.
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Post by allstring on Jun 24, 2020 23:24:51 GMT
We have protectionism rules too. At least 5 out of 10 (or 7 out of 12) have to be Brits. I find that rule interesting. Was it brought in to avoid explicitly stating a limit on EU players? Limiting work permits (3) has no legal implications. By stating at least 5 Brits, that equally allows 5 EU players. I'd prefer it was aimed at 5 British trained players, but I suspect that still creates a minefield with regard to players gaining British Nationality. Although the second tier of British Ice Hockey seemed to be able to work around it where even players who'd represented GB (but were born and trained in North America) were limited to how many on a team and even who they could be on the ice with. The Newcastle team from two years ago is a good example; and I'm not picking on the Eagles in anyway. How many of the first 9 players on that rotation were British trained? Darius (and even he had some discussions on his eligibility I believe) certainly. After that I'm not sure. Potentially as many as all 8 of the remainder played their first matches in the UK as adult professionals. I think there was still space to bring in an additional EU player. Going forward EU restrictions will likely drop. It would be good to find a way to open up opportunities for British trained players (especially youngsters) whilst ensuring loyal nationalised players are not pushed out of the BBL by restrictive eligibility rules. In fact a route for any player trained in the British system regardless of nationality (unless restricted by UK rules) would be great. Would it be legally possible to state a roster must include x U-23 players trained in the British youth system? I would advise caution though. However good intentioned such rules may be; they are counter productive unless the source of players at a suitable skill level exists.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 6:28:05 GMT
I completely get what you mean allstring but how are you going to judge British trained? Are you only including players that stay in britain or can they go to the states? If we look at a normal college career its 4 years, many british players start playing around the age of 14, some much later, so they would effectively be trained more stateside thay in Britain.
How about a rule where you have to have 2 Development players per squad. The development players would have a development program that's not necessarily just at their club, it could be centrally run that once a fortnight or month they have a centrally run course on nutrition, S&C, business etc. That way you develop the player and person as a league but each club will have a responsibility and 2 players on the program
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Post by davef on Jun 25, 2020 18:29:31 GMT
1. The eligibility rule is over a decade old. I don’t imagine anyone can recall the specific drivers of it. 2. There are basically no naturalised players left as for the last 15 years a tier 5 visa has not counted as time in the country for purpose of naturalisation. Only viable route now is marriage to a Brit and even that is time consuming and not straightforward. 3. You can’t discriminate against players with British passports through parental connections. (For instance rodney glasgow last year). You are either British or you are not. Half of England’s cricket team would be ineligible.
The answer is to mandate a rule where 2 squad players must be GB qualified and U23/25 AND the club must spend a percentage of its total budget on them (suggest between 10-20). That would create a market for these players as clubs sought a competitive advantage.
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Post by raiders92 on Jun 25, 2020 22:07:33 GMT
Look at raiders a few years ago we had
Corletto, Wilcher, sturt, Simon lokan, mike vigor Peter hooley, elvisi dusha rhys Carter (eu) etc we had a full quota of bits but all were born and raised in australua!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 6:39:40 GMT
Look at raiders a few years ago we had Corletto, Wilcher, sturt, Simon lokan, mike vigor Peter hooley, elvisi dusha rhys Carter (eu) etc we had a full quota of bits but all were born and raised in australua!! Simon Lokan played 2 games lol, let's not include him Vigor was born in Aberdeen Dusha born and raised in England, played gb u20 then got found out how bad he was so joined another national team
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 8:56:30 GMT
You leave Elvisi alone, or I'll reveal your dirty little secret
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