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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 19:57:45 GMT
Koch returns
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Post by notoriousbigz on Aug 5, 2020 22:24:32 GMT
This teams getting no better or younger.....
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Post by dazzle on Aug 6, 2020 7:47:27 GMT
Agree on age but suppose there is a flip side to that for some. Looking at it still at least 4 maybe 5 spots to fill with 2 of them being imports I would imagine. If I was a sharks fan it looks very positive adding quality on last year. Which I think certainly sees them up there.
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Post by youngrocks on Aug 6, 2020 7:50:26 GMT
Other than the odd cup success sharks are juet a mid playoff team. Signing the same guys isnt going to progress them. Marsden tuck koch as your bigs isn't league leading or threatening.
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Post by dazzle on Aug 6, 2020 8:03:31 GMT
Reliable and experienced wins the race we have found sometimes. Lions or riders have not won leagues at least over the past 3/4 years on much better 4/5 spots and to that point rocks haven't either! Just playing devils advocate here. If you can get 1-3 three with some good cohesion throughout it has proved enough to scoop titles. Coaching dependant however
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Post by sharkball on Aug 6, 2020 9:08:32 GMT
Sadly have to agree with the majority.
Normally you bring players back when you have been in the hunt for honours/one of the top teams.
Sharks were middle of the road last year.
I have no issues with bringing back McKnight as he was good last year. Callum Jones was a good signing too but bringing back Lewis, Marsden, Tuck and Koch is just bizarre. Lazy recruiting too. Unless the 2 (it is 2 I think...as you can have 4 imports now is that right?) other Americans are real stand outs (the lad they have rumoured to have signed barely played - Kipper Nicholls at Illinois) then you see another mid table at best- playoff 1st rd exit etc
Really uninspiring but expect nothing less from this moribund franchise who seems unable to impact major change on the court (coaching/playing personnel/style same year in year out) or off it (facility of their own/game night production/ticket offers).
Another mediocre year awaits I feel.
Many may seem I am being too critical and at least they are still going/exist but the franchise needs a shot in the arm from the top I feel or will limp along with no new fans, sponsors, renewed exposure and change of building crowds/success of rivals like Newcastle, Leicester and even Bristol/Worcester. They are all doing something right to get many more fans through the door.
Do Sharks have the lowest crowds in the league now? Near the bottom I wluld say with arohnd 4-500 through the door most games. That says it all.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Aug 6, 2020 9:16:00 GMT
Sadly have to agree with the majority. Normally you bring players back when you have been in the hunt for honours/one of the top teams. Sharks were middle of the road last year. I have no issues with bringing back McKnight as he was good last year. Callum Jones was a good signing too but bringing back Lewis, Marsden, Tuck and Koch is just bizarre. Lazy recruiting too. Unless the 2 (it is 2 I think...as you can have 4 imports now is that right?) other Americans are real stand outs (the lad they have rumoured to have signed barely played - Kipper Nicholls at Illinois) then you see another mid table at best- playoff 1st rd exit etc Really uninspiring but expect nothing less from this moribund franchise who seems unable to impact major change on the court (coaching/playing personnel/style same year in year out) or off it (facility of their own/game night production/ticket offers). Another mediocre year awaits I feel. Many may seem I am being too critical and at least they are still going/exist but the franchise needs a shot in the arm from the top I feel or will limp along with no new fans, sponsors, renewed exposure and change of building crowds/success of rivals like Newcastle, Leicester and even Bristol/Worcester. They are all doing something right to get many more fans through the door. Do Sharks have the lowest crowds in the league now? Near the bottom I wluld say with arohnd 4-500 through the door most games. That says it all. Only getting 400 to 500 fans may be a blessing Your budget doesn't have as much to lose as other team budgets who get more fans but will unlikely be allowed to get them in next season If you can get 250 to 300 fans per game next season you won't be too far off last season's income from tickets Whereas if the likes of riders and Eagles and wolves etc are only allowed 250 to 300 fans it makes a big dint on their budgets for players So all of a sudden just having the same quality squad as last season may make you way more competitive That's how I would be thinking in your shoes |
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Post by dazzle on Aug 6, 2020 9:23:48 GMT
Jeez covid really got you down!whenever we get playing it be good to see. Many clubs would die for any type of continuity. Would be happy to have any signings in Worcester.
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Post by youngrocks on Aug 6, 2020 10:08:39 GMT
Sharks as a franchise just seem to be happy with the status quo. Maybe if they flipped up their product they'd attract a larger fan base. Im sure we've discussed on here before but they have one of the smallest social media footpeints in the league.
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Post by number6 on Aug 6, 2020 16:21:16 GMT
Taking Eagles & Riders out of things ( for simplicity ) last 10 years
Rocks BBL 3rd 09/10, 12/13, 16/17,
cup Finalists 14/15, 16/17, 18/19
Trophy Finalists 13/14
Play-offs Finalists 09/10
Sharks BBL 2nd 09/10,13/14
BBL 3rd 10/11, 15/16
cup Winners 09/10, 10/11
Trophy Winners 12/13
Trophy Finalists 17/18
Play-Off Winners 15/16
Play-Off Finalists 10/11
I've looked at all the other teams, and no others come near
Lions are on the up , the rest not so, you could even say Eagles are run of the mill for the last 2 seasons
Continuity has worked for the Sharks in the past, which we have done so far,
2 more imports to come, maybe a swing man & a Power forward of substance, and I think we'll be OK
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Post by everard on Aug 6, 2020 17:18:52 GMT
Disappointed that there is no news on Marco resigning!
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Post by number6 on Aug 6, 2020 18:58:55 GMT
Dont you fret Everard, I dont think you will be disappointed :-)
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Post by youngrocks on Aug 6, 2020 22:09:12 GMT
Taking Eagles & Riders out of things ( for simplicity ) last 10 years Rocks BBL 3rd 09/10, 12/13, 16/17, cup Finalists 14/15, 16/17, 18/19 Trophy Finalists 13/14 Play-offs Finalists 09/10 Sharks BBL 2nd 09/10,13/14 BBL 3rd 10/11, 15/16 cup Winners 09/10, 10/11 Trophy Winners 12/13 Trophy Finalists 17/18 Play-Off Winners 15/16 Play-Off Finalists 10/11 I've looked at all the other teams, and no others come near Lions are on the up , the rest not so, you could even say Eagles are run of the mill for the last 2 seasons Continuity has worked for the Sharks in the past, which we have done so far, 2 more imports to come, maybe a swing man & a Power forward of substance, and I think we'll be OK Imagine what could be done with more paying spectators! Ive always thought especially last 5-10yrs rocks have been stronger off the court than on. This seems to have flipped god knows how many times. Id love to see sharks filling their court but always looks empty. |
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Post by retsek on Aug 7, 2020 15:57:29 GMT
Disappointed that there is no news on Marco resigning! Saving the best 'til last  |
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Post by number6 on Aug 8, 2020 18:25:55 GMT
The Sharks community programme is one of the best The problem the Sharks have is the lack of support from the City council & specifically SIV THis prevents Sharks from being able to schedule games in a regular slot, so games are played on different days & different times, sometimes playing 3 home games in 10 days. Unless the City Council & SIV change tack & actively support the Sharks in the use of the City venues, then our only option is to build our own venue, which we have been trying to do for several years now, but obsticle, have been put in or way , by the planning authorities. ( i leave you to guesse where these objections stem from  ). The Sharks have the vision required to take the club further, but there are some roadblocks |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Aug 8, 2020 19:11:06 GMT
The Sharks community programme is one of the best The problem the Sharks have is the lack of support from the City council & specifically SIV THis prevents Sharks from being able to schedule games in a regular slot, so games are played on different days & different times, sometimes playing 3 home games in 10 days. Unless the City Council & SIV change tack & actively support the Sharks in the use of the City venues, then our only option is to build our own venue, which we have been trying to do for several years now, but obsticle, have been put in or way , by the planning authorities. ( i leave you to guesse where these objections stem from ). The Sharks have the vision required to take the club further, but there are some roadblocks It's probably another blessing you don't actually have your own venue at the moment to be unused and building debts for you |
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Post by sharkball on Aug 12, 2020 19:52:39 GMT
Disappointed that there is no news on Marco resigning! Saving the best 'til last He's back. Incredibly the Sharks had a Facebook announcement as if this was big news and we should be excited! 0.9 ppg and 0.7 rpg. Countless air balls (Or the side of back board shots- a new stat!) turnovers and blown defensive assignments. If anyone can possibly say why he's been brought back other than the obvious reason (his mum is the gm/chair of the board) I am all ears! Number 6? What does he offer...you defend most moves the Sharks make so come on tell me what he offers that 100 young lads from the area could not do. Or a junior from the uni programme...yes He's from Hallam and I watched him play Sheffield uni in the varsity game and there were 8 or 9 better players on both teams even at this level. Must be maddening for lots of young players in the area all who are far more talented. This guy is not even d3 standard. He would not even play down there. Bringing back Lyons, Backovic etc just screams jobs for the boys and this insular attitude/approach is why the Sharks are stuck in a rut. His resigning is clearly the owner telling Lyons what to do and he of course has no choice to agree. There is no way any coach worth his salt would think he should be on a BBL roster so clearly Lyons just has to sign likes of Backovic. He obviously does not get a say. Be the other board members Montomerys son next. Another who is not even L3 either. Both would barely would out in rec play. Would love someone from the club tell us what these lads offer? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 9:20:48 GMT
Isn't this a Sharks' tradition stretching back of Locker?
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Post by Solly on Aug 13, 2020 9:34:50 GMT
If anyone can possibly say why he's been brought back other than the obvious reason (his mum is the gm/chair of the board) I am all ears!
Sharkball's ears 
Its just as you have stated - nepotism.
But I think that may in this instance be justified if it keeps the club going.
Given the parlous state of many clubs' finances its just the way it has to be.
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Post by sharkball on Aug 13, 2020 12:14:35 GMT
Karen Child was the lottery winner.We have her name on the arse of our shorts! She is on the board I believe.
Has she a son? He'll be playing soon if so.
Locker Okoroes Dad was the team doctor and also on the board so this 'practice' has gone on for a long time! To be fair eventually Okorie became a decent defender and could contribute a bit at BBL level. I saw him lock up some top level BBL players in a few games to my disbelief! He was a decent athlete but could not shoot a lick. Now a successful personal trainer who has represented lots of UK TV stars including Cathryn Tydsley (her from Corrie)
There's a bit of trivia for you!
Just seen Lyons press release. Says he's part of the furniture and offers so much ON and off the court. On the court?! Granted he may do great work with the community programme but just leave him to do that and put a young player with some promise on the bench?
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Post by retsek on Aug 13, 2020 14:23:45 GMT
Saving the best 'til last He's back. Incredibly the Sharks had a Facebook announcement as if this was big news and we should be excited! 0.9 ppg and 0.7 rpg. Countless air balls (Or the side of back board shots- a new stat!) turnovers and blown defensive assignments. If anyone can possibly say why he's been brought back other than the obvious reason (his mum is the gm/chair of the board) I am all ears! Number 6? What does he offer...you defend most moves the Sharks make so come on tell me what he offers that 100 young lads from the area could not do. Or a junior from the uni programme...yes He's from Hallam and I watched him play Sheffield uni in the varsity game and there were 8 or 9 better players on both teams even at this level. Must be maddening for lots of young players in the area all who are far more talented. This guy is not even d3 standard. He would not even play down there. Bringing back Lyons, Backovic etc just screams jobs for the boys and this insular attitude/approach is why the Sharks are stuck in a rut. His resigning is clearly the owner telling Lyons what to do and he of course has no choice to agree. There is no way any coach worth his salt would think he should be on a BBL roster so clearly Lyons just has to sign likes of Backovic. He obviously does not get a say. Be the other board members Montomerys son next. Another who is not even L3 either. Both would barely would out in rec play. Would love someone from the club tell us what these lads offer? Outstanding. How Shaft kept a straight face during that FB announcement is beyond me. At least I get to keep my avatar for another year. |
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Post by sharkfan on Aug 14, 2020 16:13:33 GMT
Hmmm, without being rude Marko should be honing his skill in the local league so that he can have some success, maybe Sheffield LL div 2 would be best for him.
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Post by sharkfan on Aug 14, 2020 16:16:06 GMT
The real problem is that the spectators need to watch players that can do things that are exciting and that they can`t do. Sadly Marko falls short in both respects and should stick to his off court activities where he can be of some use.
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