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Oct 17, 2020 9:30:05 GMT
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Post by skeg on Oct 17, 2020 9:30:05 GMT
Surprised no one has commented on the snippet at the end of MVP247 article on government cash bail out which suggests that the league is close to signing a deal with Sky TV.
Could this be the return of professionally presented BBL on (in my opinion) the best platform?
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Oct 17, 2020 9:33:42 GMT
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Post by youngrocks on Oct 17, 2020 9:33:42 GMT
They have put quite alot into the nba Sunday coverage. Id say it would be great. Hopefully it is true
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Oct 17, 2020 9:37:54 GMT
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Oct 17, 2020 9:37:54 GMT
The quality will no doubt be better but it puts the sport behind a huge paywall. When IMO the more that can see it for free the better. Build interest. No doubt people that already have sky sports have purchased it for an alternative sport and therefore will be un phased by the bbl addition and those that don’t have it, presumably don’t want it/can’t justify it and are unlikely to pay out because of the addition of bbl.
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Post by tonyleopard on Oct 17, 2020 10:06:32 GMT
But the problem with it being in YouTube is that pretty much only people who are already fans will look for it and watch it.
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Oct 17, 2020 10:11:48 GMT
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Oct 17, 2020 10:11:48 GMT
But the problem with it being in YouTube is that pretty much only people who are already fans will look for it and watch it. That is true also. I mean any exposure is good exposure I guess. To maximise the benefit, the BBL will certainly need to consider smart scheduling. That’s true regardless of a sky deal though
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Post by skeg on Oct 17, 2020 10:14:41 GMT
The quality will no doubt be better but it puts the sport behind a huge paywall. When IMO the more that can see it for free the better. Build interest. No doubt people that already have sky sports have purchased it for an alternative sport and therefore will be un phased by the bbl addition and those that don’t have it, presumably don’t want it/can’t justify it and are unlikely to pay out because of the addition of bbl. Article did say this was along side streaming (but think that’s a pay thing too isn’t it?). I don’t think it will ever be on a terrestrial free tv channel. It being on Sky Sports will give the league a bit of credibility, be a more attractive product for potential league sponsors and will create much more general interest than being on YouTube or streaming service to a casual fan. As an example, I have sky sports for NBA and do my boys can watch football. Now I follow the premiership and take an interest in it as a result of my sons interest in it. I will watch games with them and even have the game on and watch it if they’re not. Now if the boys weren’t in to football and I didn’t have sky sports then I certainly wouldn’t search for it on a streaming service or on YouTube. Now I know the history of money being thrown at the sport and free tickets etc in the ‘90’s heyday when it was on Sky but that was the peak of interest for the sport in this country. Hopefully lessons have been learnt (Royals being the most recent lesson) and if a deal is on the table then the potential for the league can be maximised.
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Post by skeg on Oct 17, 2020 10:18:27 GMT
But the problem with it being in YouTube is that pretty much only people who are already fans will look for it and watch it. That is true also. I mean any exposure is good exposure I guess. To maximise the benefit, the BBL will certainly need to consider smart scheduling. That’s true regardless of a sky deal though Tonyleopard has hit the nail on the head and something I’ve been saying for years. Extra exposure is good yes, but if it only reaches the people who are already looking for it then there is no growth of interest to be had.
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Post by dandayr on Oct 17, 2020 12:40:25 GMT
we took out a 1 month Now tv sports subscription so we could see the last couple of games of the NBA finals - and are using it to watch a couple of football games this month that would not normally have seen - only took BTSport with my VM package, not Skysports, as it gave enough live football for the time I had available to watch!
If BBL was to appear on skysports, then would give serious consideration to updating our VM package.
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Post by fauxnicks on Oct 17, 2020 18:49:29 GMT
I made reference to this in the bailout thread a few days ago - I’ve heard Sky will show a weekly headline game along with a roundup of all the games weekly.
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Post by skeg on Oct 17, 2020 20:44:38 GMT
I made reference to this in the bailout thread a few days ago - I’ve heard Sky will show a weekly headline game along with a roundup of all the games weekly. Sorry, must’ve missed that. That sounds good to me, not all that different from what they used to do.
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Post by tonyleopard on Oct 18, 2020 8:20:21 GMT
Many years ago Sky showed live games with great production on a Sunday evening, preview show on Sky News on Saturday lunchtime & results on Sky Sports News. BBC Grandstand once a year showed a week old highlight of National Cup Final. Guess which channel had 10 times as many viewers and was watched by non basketball folk.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 8:28:31 GMT
Sky used to show EIHL as well, also had the Weekly highlights show presented by Estate Agent & Sheffield Steelers own David Simms aka Simmsey & Anna Woolhouse who wasn't on the show from the start, I think she was chosen due to her brother Geoff being a goalie for the Steelers.
If Sky did get it I'd certainly watch it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 11:46:04 GMT
But the problem with it being in YouTube is that pretty much only people who are already fans will look for it and watch it. I found games unwatchable on Youtube. Those automated cameras were absilutely dire.
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Oct 18, 2020 13:21:03 GMT
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Post by skeg on Oct 18, 2020 13:21:03 GMT
But the problem with it being in YouTube is that pretty much only people who are already fans will look for it and watch it. I found games unwatchable on Youtube. Those automated cameras were absilutely dire. And that’s putting it politely. I often switched off after 5 mins. Some of the Scorchers games I couldn’t even tell who was on court as quality so bad.
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Post by LTFan on Oct 19, 2020 14:11:58 GMT
Let's not get too excited, the MVP articles says "It is thought the BBL will aim to finalise a TV deal to complement the streaming services offered by each individual club with Sky Sports believed to be the front runner."
'It is thought', 'will aim to', 'believed to be' (all in the same sentence!) are phrases we've heard many times before in regards to BBL television coverage, far from definitive language. And it's an article by Mark Woods who, although sometimes writes excellent articles, also brought us the exclusive that the All-Stars Championship had been dropped by Sky Sports... just a few weeks before it actually was broadcast on Sky Sports. He also wrote just before last season that Channel 4 were close to finalising a deal with the BBL. I'm not knocking the guy, just saying he's been wrong before, especially around television coverage of the league.
Anyway, the best possible situation in the current climate would be a BBL subscription streaming service (giving existing fans access to behind closed doors games, without having to fork out for an expensive Sky Sports subscription) alongside a weekly Sky Sports deal (for better visibility and promotion of the league).
Of course better than that would be all games free on YouTube and a weekly ITV4 deal. But I think that's expecting too much right now.
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Oct 20, 2020 19:23:28 GMT
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Post by bbqbill on Oct 20, 2020 19:23:28 GMT
How are the BBL paying for a Sky Sports package.. just wondering as in the past its always been widely known that Sky charge all but the very biggest sports a lot of money for TV rights.
Surely the BBL wouldnt be spending the money they claim was so badly needed for clubs survival, on a Sky Sports deal?
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Oct 20, 2020 19:54:20 GMT
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Post by drivethebody on Oct 20, 2020 19:54:20 GMT
How are the BBL paying for a Sky Sports package.. just wondering as in the past its always been widely known that Sky charge all but the very biggest sports a lot of money for TV rights. Surely the BBL wouldnt be spending the money they claim was so badly needed for clubs survival, on a Sky Sports deal? Speculating to accumulate?
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Oct 20, 2020 22:32:15 GMT
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Post by number23 on Oct 20, 2020 22:32:15 GMT
I’m slightly sceptical about a Sky deal - we’ve been down this road before - but I’d like to think it’s possible. I don’t know if Sky’s demands might be lower at the moment too, with the comparative lack of sport available right now and a few dozen (or what feels like a few dozen) sports channels to fill?
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Post by LTFan on Oct 21, 2020 11:09:38 GMT
How are the BBL paying for a Sky Sports package.. just wondering as in the past its always been widely known that Sky charge all but the very biggest sports a lot of money for TV rights. Surely the BBL wouldnt be spending the money they claim was so badly needed for clubs survival, on a Sky Sports deal? I'm not aware of many (any?) instances of Sky actually charging a sport for broadcast on their channels, but I am aware of numerous instances where Sky pay nothing for the coverage they broadcast - which means the sport has to cover the production costs themselves. It's the 'speculate to accumulate' theory that's already been mentioned. Of course even then you need a little money to invest in the hope of greater returns, which the BBL really doesn't have right now. I'm still doubtful of any Sky deal this season. And right now it feels like a subscription streaming service is the right way to go, all things considered.
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Nov 9, 2020 20:54:35 GMT
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 9, 2020 20:54:35 GMT
Sky Sports broadcast Netball Superleague games, as well as the ANZ Netball Premiership and international matches. Their quality of production is second to none. For the Netball Superleague they have 3 big events in the season, each played at one of the big arenas (Manchester Arena, Birmingham Arena, Copperbox Arena). One is the season opener, so the season opens with a BANG! They play back to back games, I think probably over 2 days. These are just normal league games but they're big events because they're played in a big arena in front of thousands, and broadcast on Sky Sports. I'm not sure but I think it might be broadcast on one of their free channels, and it's streamed on their YouTube channel. Something like this would be great for the BBL. Not exactly the same, but the season openers broadcast by Sky Sports from a big arena. And then, maybe as often as once a month, a game broadcasted by Sky Sports from one of the better venues, like Newcastle or Leicester. It doesn't need to be every week, just enough to generate interest. And Sky Sports will make it look amazing.
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Post by LTFan on Nov 10, 2020 12:52:48 GMT
Sky Sports broadcast Netball Superleague games, as well as the ANZ Netball Premiership and international matches. Their quality of production is second to none. For the Netball Superleague they have 3 big events in the season, each played at one of the big arenas (Manchester Arena, Birmingham Arena, Copperbox Arena). One is the season opener, so the season opens with a BANG! They play back to back games, I think probably over 2 days. These are just normal league games but they're big events because they're played in a big arena in front of thousands, and broadcast on Sky Sports. I'm not sure but I think it might be broadcast on one of their free channels, and it's streamed on their YouTube channel. Something like this would be great for the BBL. Not exactly the same, but the season openers broadcast by Sky Sports from a big arena. And then, maybe as often as once a month, a game broadcasted by Sky Sports from one of the better venues, like Newcastle or Leicester. It doesn't need to be every week, just enough to generate interest. And Sky Sports will make it look amazing. The closest the BBL has got to that right now is the British Basketball All Stars Championship - an annual event, in front of thousands at the Copper Box arena, broadcast live on Sky Sports for FIVE hours. It looks great on screen. Shame it's 'circus basketball', but beggars can't be choosers, and the format does showcase a large number of teams. I should also point out that the whole production is essentially managed by Matchroom Sport, and not the BBL. What you're suggesting would be great, but it comes down to the fact that Sky would expect the BBL to cover all costs associated to the coverage - which would be tens of thousands of pounds for the quality coverage they'd insist upon (and understandably so). And the BBL doesn't have that kind of money right now. And personally, I think the BBL building upon their existing relationship with the BBC would be better for the league than trying to establish a new one with Sky.
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Nov 10, 2020 15:33:08 GMT
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 10, 2020 15:33:08 GMT
LTFan you make some very good points. The BBL and the Netball Superleague are not directly comparable. The Netball Superleague is the second best netball league in the world. Sky Sports is a Premium sports broadcaster. The relationship between the two makes sense. The BBC is the state broadcaster and I would argue that it has a duty to broadcast the BBL. It broadcasts Welsh Premiership rugby which is semi professional. That's probably more of an equivalent of BBL. A weekly game produced and broadcasted by the BBC on the red button channel and streamed on the BBC Sport website would be a big improvement to what we have now.
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Post by LTFan on Nov 10, 2020 16:42:38 GMT
LTFan you make some very good points. The BBL and the Netball Superleague are not directly comparable. The Netball Superleague is the second best netball league in the world. Sky Sports is a Premium sports broadcaster. The relationship between the two makes sense. The BBC is the state broadcaster and I would argue that it has a duty to broadcast the BBL. It broadcasts Welsh Premiership rugby which is semi professional. That's probably more of an equivalent of BBL. A weekly game produced and broadcasted by the BBC on the red button channel and streamed on the BBC Sport website would be a big improvement to what we have now.I'm not sure if you're aware, but that's exactly what we did have for 2 seasons a couple of seasons ago - a weekly BBL game live on the BBC Red Button, BBC Sport App and BBC Sport Website. But the coverage was provided by the BBL for broadcast on the BBC. In other words, the BBL paid for the production costs and simply provided it free of charge to the BBC for broadcast on their platforms. It was a win/win... the BBC got to boast it was providing diversity in it's sports coverage (at no extra cost to them) and the BBL got some excellent exposure - for example BBC Sport tweeted about every game to it's almost 9 million followers, plus however many million must look at the BBC Sport website each week. But again the problem was the cost. For the first season the BBL provided premium coverage - multi-camera set up, replays, on screen presentation team with interviews etc. For the second season the BBL provided single camera coverage, saving them some money, but not impressing the BBC too much. For the last season or two only the Cup, Trophy and Play-Off Finals have been broadcast by the BBC, still with the BBL providing the coverage (of the original premium level).
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Nov 10, 2020 16:54:01 GMT
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 10, 2020 16:54:01 GMT
@ltfan. Thank you. No I wasn't aware of that. Have you seen the production by Solent Kestrels in the L Lynch Trophy? More than one camera. They did a really good job and it was all done by students at the university.
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Post by stevetino on Nov 10, 2020 20:40:23 GMT
As long as Suzanne Dando is back even better
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