|
|
Post by davef on Nov 16, 2020 11:06:58 GMT
Ware was coming off 10 games in Finland and before that a reasonable season in Canadian NBL. But nothing to justify the hype that people appear to have attributed to him. His numbers in Canada compare with Gentrey Thomas for Antwon Lillard for example.
|
|
|
|
Post by casualhook on Nov 16, 2020 11:24:12 GMT
Ware was coming off 10 games in Finland and before that a reasonable season in Canadian NBL. But nothing to justify the hype that people appear to have attributed to him. His numbers in Canada compare with Gentrey Thomas for Antwon Lillard for example. before that though he averaged 12 a game in an admittedly short stint in the Greek league, more than Justin Robinson or Ashley Hamilton ever did |
|
|
|
Post by davef on Nov 16, 2020 11:30:38 GMT
8 games playing for a low level team, shooting 12 plus shots per game. Justin averaged 12 points per game on far higher percentages in Greek A1 in 2016-17.
As a pro Ware has never shot above 42% from the field or 33% from three. The hype seems to outflank the numbers here
|
|
|
|
Post by massiveridersfan on Nov 16, 2020 12:08:30 GMT
Especially given the short rotation and early loss of Mo Walker, that was a hell of a performance from Riders. The more I am seeing of William Lee, the more I like his game. And is it true Dexy's Midnight Runners are now going to re-release "Geno"? What a great song that would be for the bleachers at the Morningside Arena. Agreed - pity no-one there to hear it! |
|
|
|
Post by LTFan on Nov 16, 2020 12:55:11 GMT
Something definitely needs to change for the Lions. Mullens coming back would be a start Agreed and agreed, and this game only proved that. Mullens not back until January apparently. I'm not expecting Lions to beat Riders and Eagles in their remaining games (although I'm happy to be surprised) so it's all focus on Sharks doing worse than Lions now in this group of death. This could be another year of Lions writing off the Cup and focusing on success later in the season (and in Europe). |
|
|
|
Post by jimmylad on Nov 16, 2020 18:37:07 GMT
Something definitely needs to change for the Lions. Mullens coming back would be a start Agreed and agreed, and this game only proved that. Mullens not back until January apparently. I'm not expecting Lions to beat Riders and Eagles in their remaining games (although I'm happy to be surprised) so it's all focus on Sharks doing worse than Lions now in this group of death. This could be another year of Lions writing off the Cup and focusing on success later in the season (and in Europe). Lions should be able to comfortably beat Riders who only have 7 fit players... |
|
|
|
Post by casualhook on Nov 16, 2020 19:13:02 GMT
Agreed and agreed, and this game only proved that. Mullens not back until January apparently. I'm not expecting Lions to beat Riders and Eagles in their remaining games (although I'm happy to be surprised) so it's all focus on Sharks doing worse than Lions now in this group of death. This could be another year of Lions writing off the Cup and focusing on success later in the season (and in Europe). Lions should be able to comfortably beat Riders who only have 7 fit players... course they should, but they can’t, so get Mullens back and if they’re still struggling then real change needed |
|
|
|
Post by faz on Nov 16, 2020 20:24:52 GMT
It seems that Ware has severely misjudged the league, he thought he could breeze through judging by his arrogance against the Sharks. It seems that Lions are struggling and I think it'll end in tears. When they signed all these high profile players, the talk was of them running through the league, at the moment they don't look like a team capable of winning anything, in fact, Glasgow Rocks who didn't have any sort of pre season, played their first game and won by 30 points, granted it was against the Nix but the Rocks don't need big names to try for success. If we can build on last night then I think we could have a good season. You beat a team by only 30 and I mean only 30 given the disruption to Cheshire roster! That was without any of its starters and 6 out of their main core of 8. I’m including Soll in that but suspect he wont figure massively this year. Only dizzy has played any meaningful minutes year to date. I don’t even know if Sedale Hanson was playing before rejoining nix, Mark Rangely played last year for the bottom team in div 1 for half the year and barely got on court for Phoenix.Max Jones was playing div 2 at Chester uni. I’m not sure where Houghton and Macintosh we’re playing but 4 of those in court probably only been at Nix 2 weeks max. I know Gareth didn’t play but despite Lions being undeniably underwhelming they’d absolutely hammer rocks at this moment. |
|
|
|
Post by LTFan on Nov 17, 2020 12:40:41 GMT
Agreed and agreed, and this game only proved that. Mullens not back until January apparently. I'm not expecting Lions to beat Riders and Eagles in their remaining games (although I'm happy to be surprised) so it's all focus on Sharks doing worse than Lions now in this group of death. This could be another year of Lions writing off the Cup and focusing on success later in the season (and in Europe). Lions should be able to comfortably beat Riders who only have 7 fit players... Should be able to, yes. I just said I'm not expecting them to on current form. Something needs to change... still largely not playing as a collective team. |
|
|
|
Post by LTFan on Nov 17, 2020 12:46:00 GMT
It seems that Ware has severely misjudged the league, he thought he could breeze through judging by his arrogance against the Sharks. It seems that Lions are struggling and I think it'll end in tears. When they signed all these high profile players, the talk was of them running through the league, at the moment they don't look like a team capable of winning anything, in fact, Glasgow Rocks who didn't have any sort of pre season, played their first game and won by 30 points, granted it was against the Nix but the Rocks don't need big names to try for success. If we can build on last night then I think we could have a good season. You beat a team by only 30 and I mean only 30 given the disruption to Cheshire roster! That was without any of its starters and 6 out of their main core of 8. I’m including Soll in that but suspect he wont figure massively this year. Only dizzy has played any meaningful minutes year to date. I don’t even know if Sedale Hanson was playing before rejoining nix, Mark Rangely played last year for the bottom team in div 1 for half the year and barely got on court for Phoenix.Max Jones was playing div 2 at Chester uni. I’m not sure where Houghton and Macintosh we’re playing but 4 of those in court probably only been at Nix 2 weeks max. I know Gareth didn’t play but despite Lions being undeniably underwhelming they’d absolutely hammer rocks at this moment. This is all very true. We're writing Lions off based only on how they're playing against Riders, Eagles and Sharks. 3 very good teams right now. Yes, with the players they have they should be beating them (well, they did beat Sharks) but we're still only comparing them against some of the best in the league. It'll be interesting to see how they perform against others in the league, and they'll have hopefully ironed out these initial issues by then too. I do agree the league is probably tougher than Ware initially thought though. Liggins too. |
|
|
|
Post by stevetino on Nov 17, 2020 21:50:25 GMT
Didn’t This score line flatter Lions somewhat? Does Vince know what he’s doing?
|
|
|
|
Post by LTFan on Nov 18, 2020 10:40:49 GMT
Didn’t This score line flatter Lions somewhat? Does Vince know what he’s doing? I think it was a very good Q4 from Lions that helped the final score line rather than anything else (although you could credit Vince with that I suppose). I said it before, if they'd had played how they played in Q4 for the whole game they would have had a chance of winning this. |
|
|
|
Post by jimmylad on Nov 18, 2020 10:46:13 GMT
Didn’t This score line flatter Lions somewhat? Does Vince know what he’s doing? I think it was a very good Q4 from Lions that helped the final score line rather than anything else (although you could credit Vince with that I suppose). I said it before, if they'd had played how they played in Q4 for the whole game they would have had a chance of winning this. Q4 was always going to be tough for Riders with the small squad rotation. With the depth of the Lions squad they should be able to take advantage as opponents energy levels will be ground down. Much like Riders used to do in previous seasons. |
|
|
|
Post by borthwick on Nov 18, 2020 10:47:07 GMT
Er...with the game won perhaps Riders took their foot off the gas rather than a Lions transformation?
|
|
|
|
Post by LTFan on Nov 18, 2020 10:54:10 GMT
Er...with the game won perhaps Riders took their foot off the gas rather than a Lions transformation? That's possible, but did you actually watch the game because it didn't look like that was the case. And because of the format of the Cup this year, with the group stage essentially being a 2 legged head to head, every point should matter to a team. So taking your foot off the gas just because you're comfortably winning would be quite a foolish thing to do that you may ultimately regret. |
|
|
|
Post by saintpat on Nov 18, 2020 17:58:36 GMT
Er...with the game won perhaps Riders took their foot off the gas rather than a Lions transformation? Have you ever seen a game where Rob let his players take their foot off the gas?? It isn't in the guys mentality (quite rightly) & if a player tried it, he'd soon be telling them! Lions had a mini revival and hit some 3's it was short lived and they folded again near the end. New players are needed & the rumours show that one has already gone. |
|
|
|
Post by jimmylad on Nov 18, 2020 18:23:30 GMT
Er...with the game won perhaps Riders took their foot off the gas rather than a Lions transformation? Have you ever seen a game where Rob let his players take their foot off the gas?? It isn't in the guys mentality (quite rightly) & if a player tried it, he'd soon be telling them! Lions had a mini revival and hit some 3's it was short lived and they folded again near the end. New players are needed & the rumours show that one has already gone. What a lovely position to be in being able to change the squad around. |
|
|
|
Post by drivethebody on Nov 18, 2020 18:25:17 GMT
Er...with the game won perhaps Riders took their foot off the gas rather than a Lions transformation? Have you ever seen a game where Rob let his players take their foot off the gas?? It isn't in the guys mentality (quite rightly) & if a player tried it, he'd soon be telling them! Lions had a mini revival and hit some 3's it was short lived and they folded again near the end. New players are needed & the rumours show that one has already gone. I did say on here before Saintpat but got laffed at by a few people. Things ain’t good down there. JRob has had to be begged to return twice so far this season. New coach needed or a few more walking away I hear |
|
|
|
Post by saintpat on Nov 18, 2020 18:32:09 GMT
Have you ever seen a game where Rob let his players take their foot off the gas?? It isn't in the guys mentality (quite rightly) & if a player tried it, he'd soon be telling them! Lions had a mini revival and hit some 3's it was short lived and they folded again near the end. New players are needed & the rumours show that one has already gone. I did say on here before Saintpat but got laffed at by a few people. Things ain’t good down there. JRob has had to be begged to return twice so far this season. New coach needed or a few more walking away I hear That's because you have an agenda & most of what you post is aimed at discrediting Lions with half truths & outright lies. It doesn't take an expert to realise things aren't right but I can't see Justin leaving whilst Vince is coaching. And fairly sure you wrote that Bristol wasn't leaving because they couldn't release him, well there was another lie! |
|
|
|
Post by drivethebody on Nov 18, 2020 19:01:26 GMT
I did say on here before Saintpat but got laffed at by a few people. Things ain’t good down there. JRob has had to be begged to return twice so far this season. New coach needed or a few more walking away I hear That's because you have an agenda & most of what you post is aimed at discrediting Lions with half truths & outright lies. It doesn't take an expert to realise things aren't right but I can't see Justin leaving whilst Vince is coaching. And fairly sure you wrote that Bristol wasn't leaving because they couldn't release him, well there was another lie! Hey bro no agenda here - we need to see them do wel for the sake of London’s basketball. I’ve just said what I’ve heard - some proved wrong I guess but most has proven right. Lot not right down there and things will obviously change in time. On a personal opinion I think a new coach is needed urgently as players don’t have the faith imho. Ovie and MBA left saying so - wether new US coaches do eventually arrive as rumoured who knows. Guess it’s hard at these times to get visas and stuff |
|
|
|
Post by Steven McTowelie on Nov 19, 2020 2:28:12 GMT
Odd that Bristol has gone from being considered the best defender in the BBL at his position and an important starter on the league's best team to some guy Lions are desperate to get rid of in the space of not much more than a year. Vince just seems to be playing musical chairs with his bigs atm. Shouldn't imagine any of them are particularly happy with their roles. Given that Vince doesn't seem particularly enamoured with any of his other options, and given that Walker's skillset is the most comparable to Mullens', I'd suggest he maybe needs more minutes. Been a solid contributor to some pretty successful teams over the last 4-5 years. I'd have thought a young 7' Brit who was one of the leading shot blockers in the Pac 12 a few years ago would have some sort of role to play on this team too. The fact that Okoroh has played a total of about five minutes through Lions' opening four Cup games suggests Vince has decided otherwise. Is he injured?
The gulf in class between groups 2 and 3 in this competition is huge. I think if you moved any of the teams from 3 into 2 there's a very good chance they'd go 6-0. Not that this excuses how poor Lions have managed to be thus far. Seems to me like they have pretty much every conceivable advantage over the competition. Spent more money, signed more players, had more time together, got more games under their belt... Embarrassing that they're losing by 20+ to any BBL team. Good job Europe Cup doesn't start until January. If it was going on now, like every other European competition, you'd have to fancy Lions quite strongly to go winless. Hell of a lot of improving to do over the next couple of months.
Excellent result nonetheless for a talented but extremely shorthanded Riders team that essentially played the entire second half with six guys. Lee has shown significant improvement after a pretty forgettable debut. And we've seen something positive from all the new signings. No duds here. Crandall in particular looks an excellent talent to me and I'm surprised to see one or two questioning him. Promising bunch but we need to add one more at least. Potentially two depending on what the score is with Walker.
|
|
|
|
Post by ecrider on Nov 19, 2020 14:51:35 GMT
Small sample size but Nelson Henry / Walker only struggled to get to the hoop easily when Okoroh was on. Admittedly neither played much due to fouls and injury.
Crandall looks better every game for me as he learns more about the league and calls he is likely / not likely to get!
|
|
