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Post by milehigh on Nov 15, 2020 11:07:14 GMT
You forgot to mention the Charnwood College Riders v Warriors game live on YouTube from 12.30 today.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 11:31:15 GMT
Cheers, now updated. I think that was added after I put the list together, I was surprised they weren't showing it. |
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Post by LTFan on Nov 17, 2020 12:56:35 GMT
I've seen some talk of the money (or lack of) involved in this deal elsewhere on this forum and social media, so I thought I'd share what I have...
From what I know it's believed Sky are paying the BBL for these television rights - despite some online claiming no money is involved, or even that the BBL are paying Sky.
But that amount is in the region of what the BBL are paying Buzz16 Productions for the coverage to be produced and supplied to Sky. So in all likelihood the BBL aren't directly benefiting financially from this deal, but it's not costing them anything either.
Money aside, this is of course about the bigger picture, with the BBL hoping this deal will increase awareness and popularity of the league which will in turn result in eventual financial gain. That's the long game though.
Also, I should know within a few days to what extent Sky will be broadcasting the BBL on Sky Sport Mix - their single sports channel (outside Sky Sports News and Sky Sports Racing) that doesn't require a Sky Sport subscription. Initial murmurings sound quite positive, watch this space...
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Post by LTFan on Nov 18, 2020 10:57:42 GMT
Buzz16 Productions spent the day with the London Lions at UEL Sports Dock yesterday, filming some pre-game footage ahead of the first Sky Sports games in a couple of weeks.
They've also filmed a 'Coming Soon' promo (in a studio, not with Lions) which we should start seeing on Sky Sports soon.
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Post by LTFan on Nov 20, 2020 11:56:29 GMT
I have the Sky Sports schedules for 3rd December... unfortunately the opening games won't also be broadcast on Sky Sports Mix (they have live Pool coverage at the same time), so you'll need a Sky Sports subscription to watch them live. I'm hearing replays will be broadcast on Sky Sports Mix though, so when that's confirmed I'll let you know.
The games will be on both Sky Sports Arena and Sky Sports Main Event - so good coverage to hopefully draw as big an audience as possible.
16:30
Live British Basketball (Sport)
Newcastle v London 03.12 1630.
Newcastle Eagles v London Lions (Tip-off 4.30pm). Coverage of the match from Eagles Commuity Arena.
(Live, Widescreen, High Definition)
19:00
Live British Basketball (Sport)
Sheffield v Cheshire 03.12 1900.
Sheffield Sharks v Cheshire Phoenix (Tip-off 7.00pm). Coverage of the match from Ponds Forge.
(Live, Widescreen, High Definition)
Either the press release was wrong or Sky have got the games the wrong way round though. They also seem to think they're taking place in 2 different areas.
I assume that'll be corrected closer to the time (or the press release was wrong). It would certainly make more sense to have Newcastle/Lions as the game in primetime.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 16:32:54 GMT
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 20, 2020 17:35:49 GMT
Thanks Hersey. Very useful. Just one correction though. Netball isn't crappy. Netball is awesome. Netball is not the enemy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 18:00:51 GMT
I believe i said it was a crappy name. But if you want my views on the adapted game of basketball, in which they took tbe fun out of basketball because girls were too frail to play properly, stick "netball" into the search box on my blog
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 20, 2020 19:40:41 GMT
I believe i said it was a crappy name. But if you want my views on the adapted game of basketball, in which they took tbe fun out of basketball because girls were too frail to play properly, stick "netball" into the search box on my blog Try to see the bigger picture. In Britain we have a severe shortage of indoor arenas; probably worse than any other western country. In Europe they play basketball, volleyball and handball. In Australia they have amazing arenas which are used for professional men's and women's basketball and professional netball. If basketball works with other sports, especially netball, it can grow and potentially get some new arenas. Or it can go it alone and stay in leisure centre sports halls in front of a few hundred people, whilst the majority of the population remains unaware that "elite" basketball even exists in Britain. |
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Post by LTFan on Nov 28, 2020 19:50:48 GMT
Now this is how you do a promo... great start, hope the coverage lives up to it too.
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Post by davef on Nov 28, 2020 20:26:26 GMT
Stay in leisure centre sports halls?
London 7000 arena
Glasgow 5000 arena
Newcastle/Leicester 3000 seats
Manchester/Worcester 2000 seats
Plymouth/Cheshire 1500 seats.
Leaving
Bristol - 4000 seater in works
Sheffield - trying and trying and trying for new venue
Surrey - v plush uni sports centre : badly designed : only 850 seats?
Where are these leisure centre sports halls you talk of?
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 28, 2020 20:48:08 GMT
Now this is how you do a promo... great start, hope the coverage lives up to it too. Well it's really dark and you can't see which team is which, so quite appropriate for BBL. |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 28, 2020 21:18:23 GMT
Stay in leisure centre sports halls? London 7000 arena Glasgow 5000 arena Newcastle/Leicester 3000 seats Manchester/Worcester 2000 seats Plymouth/Cheshire 1500 seats. Leaving Bristol - 4000 seater in works Sheffield - trying and trying and trying for new venue Surrey - v plush uni sports centre : badly designed : only 850 seats? Where are these leisure centre sports halls you talk of? I'm referring more to some of the NBL clubs. Although Cheshire Phoenix do literally play in a leisure centre. And Bristol's new arena isn't exactly in the works. But some of the NBL venues are really bad. Reading would like to be in the BBL but their court is really ugly. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2020 22:06:37 GMT
Now this is how you do a promo... great start, hope the coverage lives up to it too. I'm probably completely alone in this but I think its a really poor video. It shows basketball as a dark and gloomy sport. That advert appeals to people who already know about it and nobody else. Its showing the bbl but not a single club was shown or mentioned, apart from the brief bbl logo at the end it literally could've been advertising anything at all. British basketball is built on being a family friendly evening out. This shows it as a dark and dangerous sport you wouldn't want to see down a dark alley at night. |
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Post by dandayr on Nov 28, 2020 22:23:00 GMT
thought it was intriguing and makes you want to watch to see what it is for - is it running on social media only or also on skysports?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2020 22:34:43 GMT
Stay in leisure centre sports halls? London 7000 arena Glasgow 5000 arena Newcastle/Leicester 3000 seats Manchester/Worcester 2000 seats Plymouth/Cheshire 1500 seats. Leaving Bristol - 4000 seater in works Sheffield - trying and trying and trying for new venue Surrey - v plush uni sports centre : badly designed : only 850 seats? Where are these leisure centre sports halls you talk of? I'm referring more to some of the NBL clubs. Although Cheshire Phoenix do literally play in a leisure centre. And Bristol's new arena isn't exactly in the works. But some of the NBL venues are really bad. Reading would like to be in the BBL but their court is really ugly. No. You weren't. You never even mentioned D1. You were throwing out tired stereotypes of a BBL that has moved on, curious because you've only known about the BBL for six or so months, and you were called out. And - if we believe your character - you've never been to Rivermead. You've read my words and you're now passing them off as your own. You need to try harder if you're going to carry this off.
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Post by LTFan on Nov 28, 2020 22:40:35 GMT
thought it was intriguing and makes you want to watch to see what it is for - is it running on social media only or also on skysports? It’ll run on Sky Sports from this week, but an abbreviated version of it. |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 28, 2020 23:22:31 GMT
I'm referring more to some of the NBL clubs. Although Cheshire Phoenix do literally play in a leisure centre. And Bristol's new arena isn't exactly in the works. But some of the NBL venues are really bad. Reading would like to be in the BBL but their court is really ugly. No. You weren't. You never even mentioned D1. You were throwing out tired stereotypes of a BBL that has moved on, curious because you've only known about the BBL for six or so months, and you were called out. And - if we believe your character - you've never been to Rivermead. You've read my words and you're now passing them off as your own. You need to try harder if you're going to carry this off.
I don't need to have been to Rivermead to see how awful it looks. I have learned from this forum that Reading have applied to join BBL and have been refused because their venue is not up to standard. I have watched some of their games on YouTube, and those of other D1 teams, and in my very uneducated opinion, Rivermead looks to be just about the worst. But that is just my opinion from what I have seen. Most of the BBL venues actually look pretty good. Bristol is obviously the worst. Hopefully in a few years they'll have the best venue. But my point wasn't even about the standard of BBL or D1 venues specifically, it was that in France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Australia; countries that are good at basketball, where basketball is popular, they have a number of impressive indoor sports arenas in cities across the country. And in many cases the arena will be used for a few different sports. Basketball, handball, volleyball, netball, futsal. Which, no doubt, makes the venue more viable. These countries are not just successful at basketball; they are successful at indoor sports. Loughborough, Worcester and Surrey are all using their arenas for basketball and netball, which I think is fantastic. You can see the courts have both basketball and netball markings. The Emirates Arena and the Copperbox Arena are also home to Netball Superleague teams. Netball is a fantastic sport and it's on the rise. I also believe BBL is on the rise. The two sports can rise together. There is no need to be threatened by netball. Why do you hate netball? I like rugby union, but I don't hate rugby league. Basketball and netball go really well together. There is one opportunity for synergy I have been thinking about. Oaklands College have Oaklands Wolves, and quite a nice facility for D1. I don't know what the seating capacity is. In Hatfield (actually between Hatfield and St Albans) at the University of Hertfordshire is the home of Netball Superleague team Saracens Mavericks. Now, wouldn't it be perfect if Hertfordshire had a 2000 seat indoor arena, like the one at the University of Worcester? Home of Saracens Mavericks and an Oaklands Wolves BBL team, or a Saracens BBL team. The branding doesn't really matter. If the arena is for two elite sports, not just one, there is more reason to build it. |
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Post by swimmingbadger on Nov 29, 2020 0:40:58 GMT
On the surface of it, netball is a great spectator sport but i don't agree that it exists well with basketball; i'd be very surprised if both sports could survive at an elite level in this country if they were sharing facilities. The amount of money that gets chucked at netball when it's not even an Olympic sport, rarely played by both sexes and the England team regularly finish third out of the only three decent teams is worrying.
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 29, 2020 1:08:46 GMT
On the surface of it, netball is a great spectator sport but i don't agree that it exists well with basketball; i'd be very surprised if both sports could survive at an elite level in this country if they were sharing facilities. The amount of money that gets chucked at netball when it's not even an Olympic sport, rarely played by both sexes and the England team regularly finish third out of the only three decent teams is worrying. But they do share facilities. And the netball sells out. Emirates Arena: Glasgow Rocks & Strathclyde Sirens. NBPC: Manchester Giants & Manchester Mystics & Manchester Thunder. University of Worcester Arena: Worcester Wolves & Severn Stars. Loughborough University: Loughborough Riders & Loughborough Lightening. Surrey Sports Park: Surrey Scorchers & Surrey Storm. But I do agree, regularly finishing third out of three isn't very impressive. The GB women's basketball team is more impressive than the Roses and but they don't receive nearly as much recognition. I am really pleased and impressed by the BBL securing this 2 year deal with Sky Sports. My only disappointment is that it doesn't include the WBBL. I think a game between the top 2 WBBL teams would be a better opening game than Cheshire vs Sheffield. Women's sport is very visible this year, so it's a bit disappointing that women's basketball got forgotten. I'm not blaming anyone. What has been achieved is beyond my expectations. I'm disappointed for the women. |
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Post by davef on Nov 29, 2020 11:12:21 GMT
What I don’t understand is that if netball sells out everywhere and makes tons of money why their season only lasts 3 months and 8-9 home games?
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 29, 2020 12:21:00 GMT
What I don’t understand is that if netball sells out everywhere and makes tons of money why their season only lasts 3 months and 8-9 home games? You've answered your own question. A short season makes it more appealing, like the Six Nations. It is something people look forward to every year, like Wimbledon. In Australia Super Netball uses mostly the same arenas as the NBL, but they have different seasons that don't overlap. |
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Post by Solly on Nov 29, 2020 12:46:24 GMT
I like rugby union, but I don't hate rugby league. I like rugby league, but I do (pretty much) hate rugby union.
Netball receives disproportionate funding vs basketball.
Yawnion receives disproportionate funding vs league.
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Post by davef on Nov 29, 2020 12:59:25 GMT
Nope you’re wrong again
It’s a short season because it doesn’t make money. If it did they would play for longer and be able to employ more professionals.
So instead what you have is a short season because it’s all that the subsidies will allow.
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Post by skeg on Nov 29, 2020 13:26:53 GMT
What I don’t understand is that if netball sells out everywhere and makes tons of money why their season only lasts 3 months and 8-9 home games? You've answered your own question. A short season makes it more appealing, like the Six Nations. It is something people look forward to every year, like Wimbledon. In Australia Super Netball uses mostly the same arenas as the NBL, but they have different seasons that don't overlap. With so few games, that is why it sells out. If they had more games close to number in a bbl season then it might sell well the first season but then might tail off a bit after that. Both my wife and daughter are involved in netball and getting tickets to a storm game are quite tricky and most games sell out far in advance due in most part to their being reduced opportunity and dates to get to a game. |
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