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Post by skeg on Nov 29, 2020 13:34:26 GMT
Now this is how you do a promo... great start, hope the coverage lives up to it too. I quite like it. I may be off with the fairies here but I’m imagining a casual sports fan catching this promo whilst watching something else and, like someone else has said, might find it intriguing and will want to find out more and know what it’s all about, sort of building up some anticipation, even if they think it’s a new league as not heard of it before. Let’s be honest, most casual sports fans would not have heard of the BBL in nearly twenty years. So for a lot of people this will be there first exposure to British basketball. Let’s hope the exposure helps build some sponsorship which in turn will improve the quality of the product on the floor just as it seemed to do (for me anyway) in ‘95. |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 29, 2020 14:49:07 GMT
You've answered your own question. A short season makes it more appealing, like the Six Nations. It is something people look forward to every year, like Wimbledon. In Australia Super Netball uses mostly the same arenas as the NBL, but they have different seasons that don't overlap. With so few games, that is why it sells out. If they had more games close to number in a bbl season then it might sell well the first season but then might tail off a bit after that. Both my wife and daughter are involved in netball and getting tickets to a storm game are quite tricky and most games sell out far in advance due in most part to their being reduced opportunity and dates to get to a game. I think Netball Superleague has got it just about right. The season isn't too long. There aren't too many teams. They are quite strategically located. The standard is high and the production quality is excellent. The venues are mostly nice. The result is demand exceeds supply. I'm not trying to pretend netball and basketball are directly comparable sports. The Netball Superleague is one of only three elite netball leagues in the world, and the only one in Europe. The BBL isn't even in the top 50 basketball leagues in Europe. But both can benefit from synergy, which is clearly already happening at the Surrey Sports Park, and BBL might be able to learn something from the Netball Superleague if it wants to. Maybe it is, maybe not. I'm not in a position to know. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 14:51:40 GMT
What I don’t understand is that if netball sells out everywhere and makes tons of money why their season only lasts 3 months and 8-9 home games? You've answered your own question. A short season makes it more appealing, like the Six Nations. It is something people look forward to every year, like Wimbledon. In Australia Super Netball uses mostly the same arenas as the NBL, but they have different seasons that don't overlap. As has been said. Netball has a short season because that's the only way it works financially. It's not a professional league, it's semi-pro (if they were paying the players all year round, or even for six months, they'd play more games) and massively subsidised. If netball's such a success, it doesn't need £20mill a year in government money. The Six Nations is utterly irrelevant to this debate. It's part of the international calendar, there's autumn international and either World Cup or summer tours. I don't know why you keep comparing basketball to other sports. While there's always something to be learned, we are different to the rest.
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 29, 2020 16:42:07 GMT
You've answered your own question. A short season makes it more appealing, like the Six Nations. It is something people look forward to every year, like Wimbledon. In Australia Super Netball uses mostly the same arenas as the NBL, but they have different seasons that don't overlap. As has been said. Netball has a short season because that's the only way it works financially. It's not a professional league, it's semi-pro (if they were paying the players all year round, or even for six months, they'd play more games) and massively subsidised. If netball's such a success, it doesn't need £20mill a year in government money. The Six Nations is utterly irrelevant to this debate. It's part of the international calendar, there's autumn international and either World Cup or summer tours. I don't know why you keep comparing basketball to other sports. While there's always something to be learned, we are different to the rest.
The only ways in which basketball is different to those other sports discussed is those sports are successful in Britain and basketball is not. And sports like rugby and tennis, and to a growing extent netball, have one tournament a year when that sport is in the news, and normal people are talking about it. There is no time during the year that ordinary British people are talking about basketball. I've tried it. It's a very short conversation. Basketball is the second most popular team sport in the world. But in Britain basketball is tiny. The leaders of basketball in Britain have failed. I would like basketball to grow and become popular and successful in Britain. I think some people want to keep basketball small and niche and for themselves, and don't want it to grow and for other people to enjoy it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 20:19:56 GMT
No.
Just absolutely no
The difference between basketball and the sports you seem to love - rugby & netball - along with cricket and hockey is that our sport in a global one. The others are essentially Commonwealth sports. The majority of the world isn't interested in them, and we just love the chance to be world champions in sports that most of the world don't play - at least at any kind of serious level. Rugby won't even let Georgia become part of their little club in case it becomes bigger in Europe. Netball's world championship is only marginally different to the Commonwealth Games tournament. In reality, America could ignore its best 50 female basketball players, take 12 of the next best 25 and within a year they could absolutely kick the ar$e of England. I imagine similar could be applied to American football/rugby.
But this county loves buying medals, so it won't invest in basketball. It loves individual sports at the Olympics. It's fortunate that the African countries don't do rowing, cycling (and my dad was one of the best cyclists of his generation and was picked for the 72 Olympics), frigging horse dancing or gymnastics. Because we'd be a lot less interested in them if there was a bit more competition, a lot less chance of picking up a medal. And that's without mentioning our obsession with the para's because that will create a crap storm with snowflakes that I don't have time for.
So really basketball being the second most popular team sport in the world simply doesn't matter a crap. The establishment won't help us - look at just how much money rugby got 10 days ago and have a peek at the badminton numbers - and the school system is crap. In every school I've worked in I've had more idea how to coach basketball than the anyone in the PE department. While the NGB is utterly useless, pretending that we're competing on a level playing field is utter BS.
But I'll bow to your years of experience.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 20:40:28 GMT
With so few games, that is why it sells out. If they had more games close to number in a bbl season then it might sell well the first season but then might tail off a bit after that. Both my wife and daughter are involved in netball and getting tickets to a storm game are quite tricky and most games sell out far in advance due in most part to their being reduced opportunity and dates to get to a game. I think Netball Superleague has got it just about right. The season isn't too long. There aren't too many teams. They are quite strategically located. The standard is high and the production quality is excellent. The venues are mostly nice. The result is demand exceeds supply. I'm not trying to pretend netball and basketball are directly comparable sports. The Netball Superleague is one of only three elite netball leagues in the world, and the only one in Europe. The BBL isn't even in the top 50 basketball leagues in Europe. But both can benefit from synergy, which is clearly already happening at the Surrey Sports Park, and BBL might be able to learn something from the Netball Superleague if it wants to. Maybe it is, maybe not. I'm not in a position to know. What 50 basketball leagues in Europe are better than the bbl? |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 29, 2020 21:03:21 GMT
Who knows. Is there a ranking of the best basketball leagues in Europe?
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Post by davef on Nov 29, 2020 21:09:34 GMT
It’s been done to death but bbl is somewhere between 12 and 18 in Europe.
Slightly higher on talent than it is on budget.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 21:43:39 GMT
Who knows. Is there a ranking of the best basketball leagues in Europe? You did earlier today. Unless you're going on individual divisions there aren't 50 pro leagues in Europe. Mask beginning to slip, eh? |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 29, 2020 21:55:41 GMT
Who knows. Is there a ranking of the best basketball leagues in Europe? You did earlier today. Unless you're going on individual divisions there aren't 50 pro leagues in Europe. Mask beginning to slip, eh? Not really. There's no agreed ranking of European basketball competitions, and there's no agreed method for making such a ranking. There are a few around that people have made but they don't go past 20, they never include the BBL, and they never include second divisions like LNB Pro B or LEB Oro. So it's a moot point. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 8:31:43 GMT
So why did you say
"The BBL isn't even in the top 50 basketball leagues in Europe"
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 30, 2020 9:03:36 GMT
So why did you say "The BBL isn't even in the top 50 basketball leagues in Europe" Whether it's 50 or 30 doesn't really matter. After the best 20 no one's counting. We should be aspiring to have a proper professional basketball league, with a professional second division, mainstream media coverage, and the top 3 or so teams competing in Europe every year. Basketball in Britain does face certain disadvantages, that we are all aware of, but it also has a lot going for it. |
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Post by swimmingbadger on Nov 30, 2020 10:42:43 GMT
As has been said. Netball has a short season because that's the only way it works financially. It's not a professional league, it's semi-pro (if they were paying the players all year round, or even for six months, they'd play more games) and massively subsidised. If netball's such a success, it doesn't need £20mill a year in government money. The Six Nations is utterly irrelevant to this debate. It's part of the international calendar, there's autumn international and either World Cup or summer tours. I don't know why you keep comparing basketball to other sports. While there's always something to be learned, we are different to the rest.
The only ways in which basketball is different to those other sports discussed is those sports are successful in Britain and basketball is not. And sports like rugby and tennis, and to a growing extent netball, have one tournament a year when that sport is in the news, and normal people are talking about it. There is no time during the year that ordinary British people are talking about basketball. I've tried it. It's a very short conversation. Basketball is the second most popular team sport in the world. But in Britain basketball is tiny. The leaders of basketball in Britain have failed. I would like basketball to grow and become popular and successful in Britain. I think some people want to keep basketball small and niche and for themselves, and don't want it to grow and for other people to enjoy it. Even though whatsbev is often a hotbed of ill-informed garbage; you may have won the award this year. Who in their right mind would celebrate mediocrity? I'd love British basketball players to be household names/posters on kid's bedroom walls. I've been watching this sport for 20 odd years and I'd like nothing more than it to be huge. |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 30, 2020 10:57:04 GMT
The only ways in which basketball is different to those other sports discussed is those sports are successful in Britain and basketball is not. And sports like rugby and tennis, and to a growing extent netball, have one tournament a year when that sport is in the news, and normal people are talking about it. There is no time during the year that ordinary British people are talking about basketball. I've tried it. It's a very short conversation. Basketball is the second most popular team sport in the world. But in Britain basketball is tiny. The leaders of basketball in Britain have failed. I would like basketball to grow and become popular and successful in Britain. I think some people want to keep basketball small and niche and for themselves, and don't want it to grow and for other people to enjoy it. Even though whatsbev is often a hotbed of ill-informed garbage; you may have won the award this year. Who in their right mind would celebrate mediocrity? I'd love British basketball players to be household names/posters on kid's bedroom walls. I've been watching this sport for 20 odd years and I'd like nothing more than it to be huge. Good, then we want the same thing. Things are headed in the right direction, I'm sure of it. |
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Post by LTFan on Nov 30, 2020 12:28:30 GMT
Meanwhile... getting back on topic...I can exclusively reveal the 3rd BBL game to be broadcast on Sky Sports will be London Lions v Plymouth Raiders on Friday 11th December 19:00-21:30 on Sky Sports Arena. You heard it here first. It'll be announced by Sky and the BBL within the next few days. 
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 18:59:59 GMT
Meanwhile... getting back on topic...I can exclusively reveal the 3rd BBL game to be broadcast on Sky Sports will be London Lions v Plymouth Raiders on Friday 11th December 19:00-21:30 on Sky Sports Arena. You heard it here first. It'll be announced by Sky and the BBL within the next few days. Arena the free one yeah? |
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Post by casualhook on Nov 30, 2020 19:22:33 GMT
Meanwhile... getting back on topic...I can exclusively reveal the 3rd BBL game to be broadcast on Sky Sports will be London Lions v Plymouth Raiders on Friday 11th December 19:00-21:30 on Sky Sports Arena. You heard it here first. It'll be announced by Sky and the BBL within the next few days. Arena the free one yeah? yeah Arena is free to view EDIT: my bad as mentioned below I was wrong |
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Post by connors on Nov 30, 2020 20:11:58 GMT
You sure? Thought it was Sports Mix that was the one that didn’t require Sky Sports subscription?
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Post by dandayr on Nov 30, 2020 20:27:29 GMT
On VM it is Mix I get for free, not Arena
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Post by LTFan on Dec 1, 2020 15:53:30 GMT
Meanwhile... getting back on topic...I can exclusively reveal the 3rd BBL game to be broadcast on Sky Sports will be London Lions v Plymouth Raiders on Friday 11th December 19:00-21:30 on Sky Sports Arena. You heard it here first. It'll be announced by Sky and the BBL within the next few days. Arena the free one yeah? Just to clarify, no, Sky Sports Arena is part of a Sky Sports subscription. Sky Sports Mix is part of all Sky subscriptions. Although there's currently no live BBL games scheduled for Sky Sports Mix you can catch a full replay of Eagles v Lions @ 1am on 5th Dec, and Lions v Raiders @ 7pm on 12th Dec (without a Sky Sports subscription). |
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Post by lochrocks on Dec 2, 2020 10:29:41 GMT
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Post by ko25 on Dec 2, 2020 10:56:08 GMT
Sky Sports Mix
Sunday 1am Sharks v Phoenix, 3:30am Eagles v Lions.
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Post by LTFan on Dec 2, 2020 14:16:29 GMT
Thanks. Interesting fixtures list... different game listed for 11th Dec to what I've been told... but I guess these things are quite fluid so we'll see. EDIT: Actually that list has the same game (Leicester/Bristol) listed for two weeks running, so maybe my info is still correct. |
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Post by dandayr on Dec 2, 2020 14:39:02 GMT
given article talks about opening games Thu 3rd Dec - but then the fixture list goes and confuses things by mentioning Friday 4th, I would not put much into any date on that list in the article.
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Post by raider001 on Dec 2, 2020 22:16:56 GMT
Meanwhile... getting back on topic...I can exclusively reveal the 3rd BBL game to be broadcast on Sky Sports will be London Lions v Plymouth Raiders on Friday 11th December 19:00-21:30 on Sky Sports Arena. You heard it here first. It'll be announced by Sky and the BBL within the next few days. Is this game also being shown on BBL player or Sky only? |
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