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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 9:05:22 GMT
I saw a tweet from someone asking why are clubs charging for streams if they've been given bailout money from the government to cover the loss of revenue from fans and it made me think.
Why are they?
If the government have it covered then you can complain they need to make money somehow.
At the same time if every club had the same production as Bristol put on id watch a whole lot more basketball as I'd watch the away games.
I'm on the fence with thus one
Thoughts?
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Post by bullets92 on Nov 21, 2020 9:22:09 GMT
I struggle to pay the 4.99 as a neutral fan....2 or 3 games a day....6 across a weekend...really begins to add up!
But are some clubs using it as a benefit for season ticket holders? Pretty sure Eagles and Leicester get them free
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 10:04:11 GMT
I believe that's true yeah, but are the clubs now technically just benefitting twice from each season ticket holder now?
I know this may make me look like a **** but I'm just playing devils advocate
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 10:54:49 GMT
Maybe they won't when the money actually arrives, and assuming they've been given what they've asked for. But in Newcastle's case, they are giving something of value to their season ticket holders. If it's free, they're not. No one is entitled to free basketball. No one is entitled to watch four or five professional games of basketball for free each weekend. It's nice to do so, but a couple of years ago it would have been unthinkable. |
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Post by stevetino on Nov 21, 2020 11:07:36 GMT
In Eagles case I’d imagine it’s to replace lost game night revenue, no programmes, food and drinks, raffle, club shop visits bringing anything in whilst games behind closed doors
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 12:04:08 GMT
In Eagles case I’d imagine it’s to replace lost game night revenue, no programmes, food and drinks, raffle, club shop visits bringing anything in whilst games behind closed doors All very good points. AwY from eagles because I could guess how much secondary spent you'd have against the overheads if guess maybe £500 a night in merch is lost by clubs |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 12:04:31 GMT
Maybe they won't when the money actually arrives, and assuming they've been given what they've asked for. But in Newcastle's case, they are giving something of value to their season ticket holders. If it's free, they're not. No one is entitled to free basketball. No one is entitled to watch four or five professional games of basketball for free each weekend. It's nice to do so, but a couple of years ago it would have been unthinkable. Very valid point |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 12:27:55 GMT
I'm full of valid points. In fact, if we could add my valid points to however many we put up against Hemel today, we might even win,
Once you've given something away, it's very hard to persuade people it's worth paying for. I think that's a problem that clubs will encounter, but Eagles' figures for people who've paid £4.99 are pretty decent and makes it worthwhile.
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Post by youngrocks on Nov 21, 2020 12:47:28 GMT
The A game for me would be for a league wide league pass however this option of clubs charging a subscription I'm all for. I reckon the money coming in shouldn't be used for giving it away for free. Thats a fundamental issue with british basketball to many expect stuff for free. 4.99 a game is great value
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 21, 2020 13:07:31 GMT
It's true. No one is entitled to watch professional basketball for free. However, anyone can watch professional sports for free all weekend, including basketball. If a club can generate income from streaming their games then good for them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 13:33:32 GMT
What were the figures for the Newcastle game?
If you add up your valid points mate you'll still be in the Northern division lol
I think a league pass would be a great idea, I'd buy one for the days the wife's at work
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Post by casualhook on Nov 21, 2020 14:56:14 GMT
Yeah as a neutral I’d pay for a league pass, I’d even consider a month pass for a specific team but I’m never paying £5 to watch a single stream
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Nov 21, 2020 15:16:30 GMT
I think it was mentioned by Sam Neter and hoopsfix that for the sport in this country to progress, people need to stop expecting things for free. I agree with that and have paid for several games that I have wanted to watch. That being said I’m certainly not going to grumble when things are free. Another thing that needs to change is taking any form of criticism as a personal attack. Speaking specifically about the Surrey production yesterday. It was hyped up so much and I am all for trying things and doing extras to add value. But as I said on a different thread, the bit that people are actually there to see, wasn’t as good as the hype suggested. Lots have commented on this on twitter to be met with “stop being negative” or “they have put in a huge amount of work” etc. I have no idea what it takes to put on a live production nor do I particularly care to know. The average consumer won’t care either they just want a production that shows what they want to see and have it done well. I would have been very disappointed if I had paid for the game yesterday.
Having said all of that, isn’t the BBL a franchise model? I’d have thought the league would have a expectation level for the streaming of games that clubs are to follow. I noticed their replays on social media were making use of the automated cam.
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Post by Solly on Nov 21, 2020 15:49:05 GMT
I think it was mentioned by Sam Neter and hoopsfix that for the sport in this country to progress, people need to stop expecting things for free. I agree with that and have paid for several games that I have wanted to watch. That being said I’m certainly not going to grumble when things are free. Another thing that needs to change is taking any form of criticism as a personal attack. Speaking specifically about the Surrey production yesterday. It was hyped up so much and I am all for trying things and doing extras to add value. But as I said on a different thread, the bit that people are actually there to see, wasn’t as good as the hype suggested. Lots have commented on this on twitter to be met with “stop being negative” or “they have put in a huge amount of work” etc. I have no idea what it takes to put on a live production nor do I particularly care to know. The average consumer won’t care either they just want a production that shows what they want to see and have it done well. I would have been very disappointed if I had paid for the game yesterday. Having said all of that, isn’t the BBL a franchise model? I’d have thought the league would have a expectation level for the streaming of games that clubs are to follow. I noticed their replays on social media were making use of the automated cam. I concur. The negative criticism needs to be taken as feedback for improvement. Multi-cameras ought to have made for a good production, but it clearly didn't. If there was a director deciding which camera to go to then that director is incapable of the position they hold. At times it seemed as if the camera operators must have walked off for a cuppa. We may as well have had last year's auto cameras back. Yes it was free coverage, but that doesn't excuse a crappy product. I had people tell me they would give basketball a go by watching a free game or two last year on YouTube. Unfortunately these valuable newcomers told me that the often appalling camera work has now turned them off the sport, for God knows how long. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 16:23:03 GMT
The only thing you can criticise in British basketball without being moaned at are the refs
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Nov 21, 2020 16:30:36 GMT
The only thing you can criticise in British basketball without being moaned at are the refs Don’t envy them in their jobs |
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Post by Solly on Nov 21, 2020 16:51:11 GMT
And I'm currently watching NBL Wolves Vs Storm and the coverage is terrific.
Multi cameras with someone who knows how to properly utilise them as well.
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Nov 21, 2020 16:54:06 GMT
The only thing you can criticise in British basketball without being moaned at are the refs You’ll remember in the not too distant past the backlash on the supporters group for daring to call out a bad performance of the team. |
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Post by drivethebody on Nov 21, 2020 17:39:12 GMT
Would be really interesting to see the viewing figures for the games (pay and free games).
Herse- you’re the guy in the know at Oakland’s- were the figures good today for example? (Relative to paying customers at a normal -non COVID- game)?
Anyone have similar figures from anywhere?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 18:19:23 GMT
Would be really interesting to see the viewing figures for the games (pay and free games). Herse- you’re the guy in the know at Oakland’s- were the figures good today for example? (Relative to paying customers at a normal -non COVID- game)? Anyone have similar figures from anywhere? Raiders peaked at 1.2k watching live on our game against Worcester think jts now around the 4k views. No idea on paying stream tho but if its half as much thays a good chunk of cash |
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Post by tonyleopard on Nov 21, 2020 18:46:44 GMT
I would imagine a pay stream would be lucky to get 5% of the total of a free stream.
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Post by drivethebody on Nov 21, 2020 19:13:28 GMT
Would be really interesting to see the viewing figures for the games (pay and free games). Herse- you’re the guy in the know at Oakland’s- were the figures good today for example? (Relative to paying customers at a normal -non COVID- game)? Anyone have similar figures from anywhere? Raiders peaked at 1.2k watching live on our game against Worcester think jts now around the 4k views. No idea on paying stream tho but if its half as much thays a good chunk of cash 1200 is good- how does that compare to an average home gate? I guess a lot will be casual viewers from around the UK |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 19:46:10 GMT
Raiders peaked at 1.2k watching live on our game against Worcester think jts now around the 4k views. No idea on paying stream tho but if its half as much thays a good chunk of cash 1200 is good- how does that compare to an average home gate? I guess a lot will be casual viewers from around the UK Pretty much the same. We hold 1495 fans and and around 1000-1400 for games. Take into account the multiple people per household watching too its likely over 2000 were watching live at one point |
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Post by davef on Nov 21, 2020 20:07:38 GMT
We are averaging over 200 ‘buys’ per game. Taking into account that season ticket holders get it free (not sure of numbers but I’m sure it’s 300 plus) it’s a reasonable enough figure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 20:16:19 GMT
Yeah, I was impressed with that. I think it shows people will pay to watch their team. Neutrals probably won't pay £4.99 too often, but would halving that price double the viewing figures? doubtful. And even if it did, it would devalue what's being offered to the season ticket holders. All of the L Lynch Trophy games shown in October were comfortably in four figures. Obviously the lack of BBL helped, along with me commentating  , and I'll be interested to see how many watched today. |
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