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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 21:30:53 GMT
We are averaging over 200 ‘buys’ per game. Taking into account that season ticket holders get it free (not sure of numbers but I’m sure it’s 300 plus) it’s a reasonable enough figure. Thats brilliant before you take into account season tickets |
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Post by baldereagle on Nov 21, 2020 23:29:22 GMT
So Eagles are making £1K per stream which hopefully pays J&D for their excellent commentary.
I am certainly willing to pay £5 per stream as a long term fan, but not as a neutral. The big question is will Sky let me pay a similar one off fee for the odd game, or will it be mortgages only ?
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Post by retsek on Nov 22, 2020 8:22:41 GMT
Wait, are people actually complaining about parting with 5 quid when there's trash like football charging 15?
I couldn't give 2 ****s what money they've got from the government, 5 quid for a couple of hours entertainment is a better price then just about any other form of entertainment out there! What does cineworld charge these days, it's like 12 ******* quid isn't it, 18 if it's IMAX!
Granted as a neutral I would only pay to watch a competitive game (Riders, Newcastle or something) or to watch my own team, but I'm sure that's the same for most.
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 22, 2020 9:28:17 GMT
Wait, are people actually complaining about parting with 5 quid when there's trash like football charging 15? I couldn't give 2 ****s what money they've got from the government, 5 quid for a couple of hours entertainment is a better price then just about any other form of entertainment out there! What does cineworld charge these days, it's like 12 ******* quid isn't it, 18 if it's IMAX! Granted as a neutral I would only pay to watch a competitive game (Riders, Newcastle or something) or to watch my own team, but I'm sure that's the same for most. I don't think people are complaining about paying £5, unless they are being let down by the stream not working, in which case they are right to complain. I'm not complaining because I'm not paying. I'm watching live basketball, rugby and football for free. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 10:00:29 GMT
I'm not complaining just bringing a complaint i saw on twitter over here. They were most definitely complaining
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Post by stevetino on Nov 22, 2020 10:11:11 GMT
I'm not complaining just bringing a complaint i saw on twitter over here. They were most definitely complaining About what? The quality, the price, unable to watch it on demand? |
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Post by sussexbantam on Nov 22, 2020 11:10:11 GMT
Apparently Scorchers had 2200 for their game. I don't know where that number comes from but I was told it by someone involved in the production.
The team have heard all the criticism about different lighting, too many angle cuts and scoreboard problems and are working to put it right for next game. They actually fixed the scoreboard during the game - the director was also trying to operate the scoreboard during the first half and couldn't keep up. They changed it for the second half. The other problems are a bit harder to fix mid game.
The filming here is being done by the University media team. It was their first ever basketball game. Maybe they were guilty of overhyping things a bit but I would rather say "well done" than using words like "terrible" and "horrible". As with everything in basketball it only needs a few people to decide they can do something better with their Friday night and then there will be nothing to watch - free or otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 11:35:40 GMT
The best way of getting the scoreboard on screen is a camera pointing at the one in the venue.
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Post by dandayr on Nov 22, 2020 11:42:36 GMT
So Eagles are making £1K per stream which hopefully pays J&D for their excellent commentary. I am certainly willing to pay £5 per stream as a long term fan, but not as a neutral. The big question is will Sky let me pay a similar one off fee for the odd game, or will it be mortgages only ? depends on the size of your mortgage  - and also if you want to and trust/willing to share an account with others  As it would cover the last couple of games of NBA finals plus a couple of City games that were on sky not btsport, at that time I took out a 1 month now tv pass with a boost for think it was £36. Meant our household could watch on 3 devices - so covered me and 2 student sons. Also watched some live F1 as well as the basketball and football we planned to watch - but reckon between the three of us it was less than £5 a game easily. There is also a sport 24hr pass for £9.99 and can watch on 2 devices at same time - so equiv of £5 per device. add the boost for £3 (it is for 1 month) and you get a 3rd device so £4 per device to watch £24hrs of sport I plan to take out another month pass on 3rd december for the BBL start - and as a bonus will get the NBA games as well through to 2nd Jan - now between them all will definently be less than £5 per game - oh and till end of december can buy a now pass using tesco clubcard points. |
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Nov 22, 2020 11:56:47 GMT
As with everything in basketball it only needs a few people to decide they can do something better with their Friday night and then there will be nothing to watch - free or otherwise. Therein lies the problem. The reliance on people offering services for their love of the game. I can’t fault people that give their time for their club, I did for years and they do an excellent job with the resources and time. But this league is supposed to be a professional league. The comment about things being expected for free wasn’t solely directed at fans/consumers the league is equally as guilty of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 13:49:54 GMT
I'm not complaining just bringing a complaint i saw on twitter over here. They were most definitely complaining About what? The quality, the price, unable to watch it on demand? They complained that the government had paid the clubs the lost gate money and as clubs has said that's why they were charging it wasn't fair. Again, not my complaint, im happy to pay |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 13:51:48 GMT
Apparently Scorchers had 2200 for their game. I don't know where that number comes from but I was told it by someone involved in the production. The team have heard all the criticism about different lighting, too many angle cuts and scoreboard problems and are working to put it right for next game. They actually fixed the scoreboard during the game - the director was also trying to operate the scoreboard during the first half and couldn't keep up. They changed it for the second half. The other problems are a bit harder to fix mid game. The filming here is being done by the University media team. It was their first ever basketball game. Maybe they were guilty of overhyping things a bit but I would rather say "well done" than using words like "terrible" and "horrible". As with everything in basketball it only needs a few people to decide they can do something better with their Friday night and then there will be nothing to watch - free or otherwise. If you put something out there expect to be judged. You can only claim o but jts all new for so long. We've had coverage of games for years now, there are no valid excuses. That being said Scorchers have taken and listen to everyone without throwing the toys out of the pram and I don't doubt next time it'll be a lot better |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 22, 2020 13:56:10 GMT
About what? The quality, the price, unable to watch it on demand? They complained that the government had paid the clubs the lost gate money and as clubs has said that's why they were charging it wasn't fair. Again, not my complaint, im happy to pay Unbelievable. You're happy to pay. I'm happy with the amount of free live sport available. Both perfectly reasonable positions. But to complain that you are not able to watch something you haven't paid for, I can't understand that mentality. |
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Post by Solly on Nov 22, 2020 14:19:21 GMT
They complained that the government had paid the clubs the lost gate money and as clubs has said that's why they were charging it wasn't fair. Again, not my complaint, im happy to pay Unbelievable. You're happy to pay. I'm happy with the amount of free live sport available. Both perfectly reasonable positions. But to complain that you are not able to watch something you haven't paid for, I can't understand that mentality. I'm happy to pay and even happier to not pay. But if a club cannot provide a decent product then they are doing more harm than good. On a personal level I am happier with a crappy product than no product, but for potential converts you usually only get a single chance. It was great for me personally to get all the games free last year but for non-already-committed people last year's coverage was a waste of time and likely actually lost BBL basketball viewers. |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 22, 2020 14:46:24 GMT
Unbelievable. You're happy to pay. I'm happy with the amount of free live sport available. Both perfectly reasonable positions. But to complain that you are not able to watch something you haven't paid for, I can't understand that mentality. I'm happy to pay and even happier to not pay. But if a club cannot provide a decent product then they are doing more harm than good. On a personal level I am happier with a crappy product than no product, but for potential converts you usually only get a single chance. It was great for me personally to get all the games free last year but for non-already-committed people last year's coverage was a waste of time and likely actually lost BBL basketball viewers. I completely agree. Some of the free coverage is worse than no coverage. And some of the NBL coverage is better than the BBL coverage. There should be a minimum standard. |
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Post by strandedona303 on Nov 22, 2020 15:38:09 GMT
Three years ago £8.99 per month gave you the entire BBL season on Live Basketball.
The Eurosportplayer costs £40 per year and gives all Euroleague and Eurocup games for the season, multiple other sports.
NBA player costs £180 for the entire season.
A league wide package at a competitive price would be best.
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Post by lexumcomp on Nov 22, 2020 17:06:03 GMT
Why is anyone worried about people complaining about paying? If they don't want to pay they won't, but if the product is worth paying for then obviously loads of people will be paying and it's all good.
Oh wait, is it because it's arguably not worth paying for and very few are?
If it's a good enough product people will pay end of. If they won't, it probably isn't.
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Post by retsek on Nov 22, 2020 21:25:44 GMT
Wait, are people actually complaining about parting with 5 quid when there's trash like football charging 15? I couldn't give 2 ****s what money they've got from the government, 5 quid for a couple of hours entertainment is a better price then just about any other form of entertainment out there! What does cineworld charge these days, it's like 12 ******* quid isn't it, 18 if it's IMAX! Granted as a neutral I would only pay to watch a competitive game (Riders, Newcastle or something) or to watch my own team, but I'm sure that's the same for most. I don't think people are complaining about paying £5, unless they are being let down by the stream not working, in which case they are right to complain. I'm not complaining because I'm not paying. I'm watching live basketball, rugby and football for free. Oh absolutely that would definitely be fair enough, some streaming services in previous years have been notoriously bad |
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Post by LTFan on Nov 23, 2020 12:30:48 GMT
As with everything in basketball it only needs a few people to decide they can do something better with their Friday night and then there will be nothing to watch - free or otherwise. Therein lies the problem. The reliance on people offering services for their love of the game. I can’t fault people that give their time for their club, I did for years and they do an excellent job with the resources and time. But this league is supposed to be a professional league. The comment about things being expected for free wasn’t solely directed at fans/consumers the league is equally as guilty of it. In my mind there's a difference between the league wanting to put coverage out there for free knowing it's the best way to attract new followers, and existing fans not wanting to pay for coverage. |
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Post by LTFan on Nov 23, 2020 12:34:41 GMT
The best way of getting the scoreboard on screen is a camera pointing at the one in the venue. I've always been surprised more teams haven't thought of this, given the biggest issue with most streams is constantly having incorrect scores and clock on the screen. It can look very amateur though if not done well, but so can having the wrong scores and clock! |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 23, 2020 13:44:46 GMT
The best way of getting the scoreboard on screen is a camera pointing at the one in the venue. I've always been surprised more teams haven't thought of this, given the biggest issue with most streams is constantly having incorrect scores and clock on the screen. It can look very amateur though if not done well, but so can having the wrong scores and clock! I don't think this is a uniquely British problem. I have watched European games where the clock and scores are wrong. It's not ideal but I think it's a minor problem compared to watching a game between what looks like two teams wearing black. If the commentators are any good they can keep you informed of the score and time. Of course, if there's no commentator, the scores and time are wrong, and both teams look like they're wearing black, there's really no point in watching it. |
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Post by LTFan on Nov 23, 2020 14:48:42 GMT
I've always been surprised more teams haven't thought of this, given the biggest issue with most streams is constantly having incorrect scores and clock on the screen. It can look very amateur though if not done well, but so can having the wrong scores and clock! I don't think this is a uniquely British problem. I have watched European games where the clock and scores are wrong. It's not ideal but I think it's a minor problem compared to watching a game between what looks like two teams wearing black. If the commentators are any good they can keep you informed of the score and time. Of course, if there's no commentator, the scores and time are wrong, and both teams look like they're wearing black, there's really no point in watching it. Let's not forget the stream randomly freezing, we've had plenty of that over the last couple of years too. I guess the NBA having an onscreen score and clock that is synced to the official scoreboard is setting a very high bar, and an unachievable one on most budgets. But looking at the positives, when I started following British basketball in the 90s you sometimes had to wait a few days to just find out the score of some games. Having coverage of every game of the season available to you wasn't thinkable of being possible back then. |
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Post by casualhook on Nov 23, 2020 15:58:22 GMT
The best way of getting the scoreboard on screen is a camera pointing at the one in the venue. Exactly what I was thinking, I’d be happy if every game had the above set up from the Lynch Trophy It’s not obtrusive on the screen and it’s just so bloody simple |
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Nov 23, 2020 22:16:48 GMT
Therein lies the problem. The reliance on people offering services for their love of the game. I can’t fault people that give their time for their club, I did for years and they do an excellent job with the resources and time. But this league is supposed to be a professional league. The comment about things being expected for free wasn’t solely directed at fans/consumers the league is equally as guilty of it. In my mind there's a difference between the league wanting to put coverage out there for free knowing it's the best way to attract new followers, and existing fans not wanting to pay for coverage. My point was in response to people giving their time for free to produce the coverage. Pay for people to do it, you get a better product |
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Post by samgray on Nov 23, 2020 23:04:44 GMT
I get every point regarding the streams but as fans, if we can, we should be putting money into clubs if we want to continue to watch pro basketball. I honestly think COVID opens a massive opportunity for the bbl.. if it can get enough paying fans we can definitely entice a lot of top American and British players again,... standards are high this year, a real opportunity to push on.
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