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Post by LTFan on Dec 3, 2020 23:22:37 GMT
Having watched the game and gone through the stats afterwards I don’t think the game was as bad for Lions as a lot of people are making out on here.
Yes their defence ultimately cost them then game. And yes Newcastle had the edge on overall performance. But it wasn’t a one sided game by any means.
It was quite amusing that Sky dedicated so much time pre-game to Liggins and Ware and both had awful games.
Robinson was once again the star.
Very honest and candid interview with Vince after the game. Not happy with his team at all. Mentioning no names he said some players simply weren’t following the game plan and their roles within the team.
Robinson also looked increasingly frustrated throughout the game with his teammates.
Having said all that, this was game one, against Newcastle - one of the best teams in the league.
But unfortunately Lions are already showing signs of their signature inconsistency, as per the last few years, despite this season having a significantly bigger budget.
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Post by drivethebody on Dec 4, 2020 7:40:03 GMT
Tue issue is- the players don’t have faith in Vince- Ovie and MBA both walked away saying as much.
He said last night about his game plan but they don’t understand what he is on about - all lip service and bluster - compounded by the fact he has 5 (count ‘em) coaches on the bench with him. Decent enough college coaches but 5 college coaches don’t make a good coach of senior internationals and ex NBA types. Too many ego’s too little knowledge and coherence.
If a player like Justin is frustrated then there is no hope for anyone on the team.
No coincidence that J took the game to Eagles himself part abandoning the ‘process’ and almost dragged them to a W. No surprise that is was easily J’s best game of the season so far. If a couple of other players listen to J and not Vince they’ll win the rest of the season.
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Post by stevetino on Dec 4, 2020 10:58:59 GMT
Liggins POM! The Sky cameras consistently caught his sulky face paying little or no attention to whatever Vince was uttering. And Ware has the mouth but has the dental features of Albert Steptoe! Why are the backers backing this circus? I wonder how long Vince will remain as coach. His summary on Sky was very honest and I admire that but I don't think he has what it takes to pull the players into a proper team, playing for each other. Imagine Paternostro or Newby in charge - no question they'd be much better. Haven’t we been here before and Vince is reluctant coach anyway? |
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Post by stevetino on Dec 4, 2020 11:00:39 GMT
Having watched the game and gone through the stats afterwards I don’t think the game was as bad for Lions as a lot of people are making out on here. Yes their defence ultimately cost them then game. And yes Newcastle had the edge on overall performance. But it wasn’t a one sided game by any means. It was quite amusing that Sky dedicated so much time pre-game to Liggins and Ware and both had awful games. Robinson was once again the star. Very honest and candid interview with Vince after the game. Not happy with his team at all. Mentioning no names he said some players simply weren’t following the game plan and their roles within the team. Robinson also looked increasingly frustrated throughout the game with his teammates. Having said all that, this was game one, against Newcastle - one of the best teams in the league. But unfortunately Lions are already showing signs of their signature inconsistency, as per the last few years, despite this season having a significantly bigger budget. Other than Robinson and Dirk it was a bit live or Die by the 3 as Mike tuck noted on the comms |
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Post by unclejeff on Dec 4, 2020 15:48:54 GMT
Well, well, well! Another one I didn't see coming. Lions for me were only in the game at the half because of Eagles poor shooting. The Eagles had been the better team but just were not finishing. Meanwhile in the Pride there seemed as if there were one or two with noses out of joint. Eagles starting five were excellent and that includes Louis whose defence work was immense all night and whilst numbers wise he wasn't spectacular his was a solid contribution much appreciated by his team mates and Coach whom I talked with after the game.
Justin Flight was great all-night. Cortez ran the first half and Evan not in the best of rhythm kept plugging away and came good. I think his effort emphasised how much this Eagles team is together as he was being constantly encouraged by all his team mates including Chief Cheerleader Pfleuger! Fletch, well what can you say. An unbelievable second half when he simply took the game over in the style he can. What a player he is.
For Lions Robinson was their best by a distance although I thought Taiwah was good at times and is definitely improving. Dirk was too inconsistent. He started well and faded badly seeming to lose his way. Kingsley looks worth persevering with although must at times frustrate his team mates. Plenty of potential there and still very young. Quite what was going on with Liggins and Ware I really don't know but something wasn't right.
All in all a well deserved Eagles victory and even more impressive without Rex and Eddie. As for London? Well I have it on extremely good authority that there's going to be some big changes very soon and more recruits are on the way. British players I'm given to understand so a cull might be imminent!
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Post by saintpat on Dec 5, 2020 16:32:38 GMT
Tue issue is- the players don’t have faith in Vince- Ovie and MBA both walked away saying as much. He said last night about his game plan but they don’t understand what he is on about - all lip service and bluster - compounded by the fact he has 5 (count ‘em) coaches on the bench with him. Decent enough college coaches but 5 college coaches don’t make a good coach of senior internationals and ex NBA types. Too many ego’s too little knowledge and coherence. If a player like Justin is frustrated then there is no hope for anyone on the team. No coincidence that J took the game to Eagles himself part abandoning the ‘process’ and almost dragged them to a W. No surprise that is was easily J’s best game of the season so far. If a couple of other players listen to J and not Vince they’ll win the rest of the season. Yet again the constant criticism of Vince. At least you've stopped pretending to be a friend of Justin & suggesting he's been criticising him. |
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Post by saintpat on Dec 5, 2020 17:13:48 GMT
Another game where Lions weren't as good as their individual parts.
Not for the first time this season, Lions were defensively poor inside, gave up far too many rebounds. Only Kingsley looks a presence at the defensive end, it is looking slightly better at the offensive end where both Chris & Parker managed to score sufficiently, Parker's coast to coast the highlight of Lions game!!
I'd play Kingsley along with one of the other two when we're playing big.
After lighting up the league last month Liggins didn't look as focused or determined,let's hope it's a one off.
The fact Justin & Kevin rarely play together suggests to me that one or other is uncomfortable with the other. I'm not a great fan of Kevin, he's quick & he can score but he plays a little dumb at times & doesn't create enough for other players. When Lions were their most successful they had Justin & Jordan running the floor together, it made life very difficult for the opposition & allowed Justin to play the 2 spot where he often got the ball. Lions would look better with Justin & Liggins sharing the PG spot, Liggins passing ability is outstanding.
Dirk needs to be more consistent, he seems to be effected more than most by changes in the personnel on the floor. Lions need Ed Lucas to get fit & start playing like he can.
Lions need Josh fit & playing as his skill set will give us something that we are missing at the moment. It's frustrating that Lions have not given any real updates on him or how much longer he's likely to be out.
For Eagles, Fletcher brought them home, Lions completely failed to stop him in the 4th, he had everything his own way. Lions needed to hit him hard after the 2nd 3, land him his arse and put him out of his rhythm, we didn't get anywhere near him. No one who was on the floor was prepared to take one for the team & that's a massive issue as it suggests a lack of 'Team'.
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Post by drivethebody on Dec 5, 2020 17:20:21 GMT
Tue issue is- the players don’t have faith in Vince- Ovie and MBA both walked away saying as much. He said last night about his game plan but they don’t understand what he is on about - all lip service and bluster - compounded by the fact he has 5 (count ‘em) coaches on the bench with him. Decent enough college coaches but 5 college coaches don’t make a good coach of senior internationals and ex NBA types. Too many ego’s too little knowledge and coherence. If a player like Justin is frustrated then there is no hope for anyone on the team. No coincidence that J took the game to Eagles himself part abandoning the ‘process’ and almost dragged them to a W. No surprise that is was easily J’s best game of the season so far. If a couple of other players listen to J and not Vince they’ll win the rest of the season. Yet again the constant criticism of Vince. At least you've stopped pretending to be a friend of Justin & suggesting he's been criticising him. Sorry Saintpat I thought this was a forum for debate. My criticism is based on what is apparent - you are a Lions fan yes? I’m sure you must have criticised other clubs or players or coaches over the seasons? Maybe not I dunno. I’ll take it back- he’s doing a wonderful job coaching there and the players are doing great things on court. Don’t be so precious -it’s sport - if a coach isn’t producing they get sacked -happens in football weekly. Or are only your opinions valid or summat? Vince is a good guy -just a terrible coach. Tell me you wouldn’t sway him with Rob P, PJ, Fab, Kostas, Creon in a heartbeat? And you think J is enjoying his basketball at the moment? |
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Post by saintpat on Dec 5, 2020 18:13:04 GMT
Yet again the constant criticism of Vince. At least you've stopped pretending to be a friend of Justin & suggesting he's been criticising him. Sorry Saintpat I thought this was a forum for debate. My criticism is based on what is apparent - you are a Lions fan yes? I’m sure you must have criticised other clubs or players or coaches over the seasons? Maybe not I dunno. I’ll take it back- he’s doing a wonderful job coaching there and the players are doing great things on court. Don’t be so precious -it’s sport - if a coach isn’t producing they get sacked -happens in football weekly. Or are only your opinions valid or summat? Vince is a good guy -just a terrible coach. Tell me you wouldn’t sway him with Rob P, PJ, Fab, Kostas, Creon in a heartbeat? And you think J is enjoying his basketball at the moment? Yep, I think I'm probably known for being critical particularly of my own team & coaches, however every post I've made doesn't have the same criticism! And out of that list, two I wouldn't touch, one I like but I don't think I'd swap. And do I think Justin is enjoying his basketball, no clearly not, however I'm not sure that's Vince's fault, it's the players he's on the court with. |
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Post by drivethebody on Dec 5, 2020 18:31:38 GMT
True I guess!
I personally think (an opinion rather than any knowledge btw) that Justin will be assistant coach soon under a new US former highish level coach.
Ill be watching Surrey soon a fair bit as moving down there so will move my criticisms to them probably after Xmas ;-)’
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Post by saintpat on Dec 5, 2020 19:09:11 GMT
I think Justin will prove to be an excellent coach when his playing career finishes. Moving to an assistant coach role first would be great for him, hopefully both of those scenarios are with Lions
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Post by stevetino on Dec 5, 2020 22:25:30 GMT
Another game where Lions weren't as good as their individual parts. Not for the first time this season, Lions were defensively poor inside, gave up far too many rebounds. Only Kingsley looks a presence at the defensive end, it is looking slightly better at the offensive end where both Chris & Parker managed to score sufficiently, Parker's coast to coast the highlight of Lions game!! I'd play Kingsley along with one of the other two when we're playing big. After lighting up the league last month Liggins didn't look as focused or determined,let's hope it's a one off. The fact Justin & Kevin rarely play together suggests to me that one or other is uncomfortable with the other. I'm not a great fan of Kevin, he's quick & he can score but he plays a little dumb at times & doesn't create enough for other players. When Lions were their most successful they had Justin & Jordan running the floor together, it made life very difficult for the opposition & allowed Justin to play the 2 spot where he often got the ball. Lions would look better with Justin & Liggins sharing the PG spot, Liggins passing ability is outstanding. Dirk needs to be more consistent, he seems to be effected more than most by changes in the personnel on the floor. Lions need Ed Lucas to get fit & start playing like he can. Lions need Josh fit & playing as his skill set will give us something that we are missing at the moment. It's frustrating that Lions have not given any real updates on him or how much longer he's likely to be out. For Eagles, Fletcher brought them home, Lions completely failed to stop him in the 4th, he had everything his own way. Lions needed to hit him hard after the 2nd 3, land him his arse and put him out of his rhythm, we didn't get anywhere near him. No one who was on the floor was prepared to take one for the team & that's a massive issue as it suggests a lack of 'Team'. Are you suggesting taking out fletch? Nobody was much interested in defence not even Joe Ik |
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Post by saintpat on Dec 5, 2020 22:37:16 GMT
Yep taking out Fletch is exactly what I'm talking about! Needed a big guy to land him on his arse or Andre to push him into the bleachers. Andre would have done that job but he is wasn't on court!!
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Post by stevetino on Dec 5, 2020 23:07:33 GMT
Yep taking out Fletch is exactly what I'm talking about! Needed a big guy to land him on his arse or Andre to push him into the bleachers. Andre would have done that job but he is wasn't on court!! What a shame |
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