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Post by ko25 on Jan 14, 2021 16:32:51 GMT
Fri 15th Jan - Sharks v Eagles 7:30pm
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Post by dandayr on Jan 14, 2021 19:12:18 GMT
looking fwd to this - as it is the next sky sports game - and no doubt another great package by the team pulling this all together. If my VM guide is right, it is all over sky tomorrow! Main Event + Arena + Mix - so good news for anyone with only mix
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Post by MansfieldMike on Jan 14, 2021 19:33:46 GMT
Go Sharks
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Post by voise on Jan 15, 2021 19:30:26 GMT
Anyone watching this on bbl player? Got past the cloud mix screen?
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Post by mac on Jan 15, 2021 20:06:55 GMT
Anyone watching this on bbl player? Got past the cloud mix screen? I keep getting redirected to payment screen. Emailed Eagles and BBL but no joy yet. At least I have statcast!
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Post by voise on Jan 15, 2021 20:21:48 GMT
I've said it before, coaches need to explain to Lillard not to put the ball on the floor. Eagles executing the fast break to perfection.
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Post by stevetino on Jan 15, 2021 21:37:24 GMT
Another tech for ATIBA 🤦♂️
Cortez just sublime tonight, good job on the road although not sure what Tuck is up to think his ego has exploded even further since he joined sky
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Post by LTFan on Jan 15, 2021 21:44:52 GMT
Another tech for ATIBA 🤦♂️ Cortez just sublime tonight, good job on the road although not sure what Tuck is up to think his ego has exploded even further since he joined sky Mike Tuck telling the ref “I’m Mike Tuck from Sky Sports, baby!” did make me smile. 😆
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Post by sharkfan on Jan 15, 2021 21:45:57 GMT
Bad loss, team didn`t play well. Credit Newcastle Newcastle did homework on Lillard who is childlike when things go against him and stops playing defense. Not good enough from one of our leading players !! When to going gets tough the tough are supposed to get going not act like a child and give up Would Finch or Brandon have put up with that ?? no ******* way, Finch would have balled him out court side and Brandon would just sit him So he`s outed and we all know now he goes left, left and a bit more left He wasn`t the only poor performer and we didnt play smart Fouls on big guys for both teams had its impact but we never recovered from the crazy 5 that was on court 2 minutes before the half who gave up the game changing run
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Post by stevetino on Jan 15, 2021 21:48:23 GMT
Another tech for ATIBA 🤦♂️ Cortez just sublime tonight, good job on the road although not sure what Tuck is up to think his ego has exploded even further since he joined sky Mike Tuck telling the ref “I’m Mike Tuck from Sky Sports, baby!” did make me smile. 😆 Embarrassing really
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Post by baldereagle on Jan 16, 2021 7:47:10 GMT
I’m surprised Sky covered this game with both Tuck and Lasker not available
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Post by stevetino on Jan 16, 2021 10:03:12 GMT
I’m surprised Sky covered this game with both Tuck and Lasker not available If anything it showed again how poor the bbl player setup and camera angles are when sky don’t show the games, just awful especially at ponds forge
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Post by retsek on Jan 16, 2021 10:17:12 GMT
We could play that Newcastle team 10 times and it wouldn't change the outcome. Let's be real, that final scoreline massively flattered us, we weren't within 20 points of that team.
They've really done their homework on their defensive assignments. Lillard was forced off his dominant hand right from the tip, although he still insisted on going left anyway which just resulted in turnovers. Ratinho wasn't given a single centimetre of space on the perimeter and only managed to get one three off the entire game. Koch is given metres of space any time he catches the ball outside of the key which allows Maxwell and Gordon to clog the middle, and Nichols is allowed to brick threes to his hearts content.
Outside of Koch we don't have anyone who can make a post move against someone with any real size. Ratinho is the only consistent three point shooter we have as Campbell is a confidence shooter (I.e. if he makes his first he can make a second, but if he misses his first couple he'll just stop shooting altogether) and Lewis's game has evaporated right in front of us. Take the Glasgow game out of the equation and he's done virtually nothing since Hemsley arrived - just a co-incidence, or is he under self inflicted pressure because he's no longer the best player on the team?
And lastly, we desperately need to shorten our rotation. Even the best of coaches will struggle to effectively use 10 players as there just aren't the minutes to go around to get everyone into the flow of a game and actively contributing. Jones should be practice fodder only, and Tuck and Marsden are much of a muchness when it comes to size and athleticism.
Right now Hemsley is our only consistent performer as things stand, and should be playing 36 minutes per game as a bare minimum (fouls permitting).
This season will once again be mired in mediocrity I'm afraid, 4th to 6th in the league with one semi final defeat at best.
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Post by stevetino on Jan 16, 2021 10:39:39 GMT
Some fair points made there Retsek, but if sharks are 4th the gap to positions 1-3 is growing. I’m just thankful we don’t have to endure Jamal or Kai Williams lumbering onto court this year, just look at the difference Cortez Edwards and Justin Gordon make compared to them
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Post by LTFan on Jan 16, 2021 10:45:14 GMT
I’m surprised Sky covered this game with both Tuck and Lasker not available And the first time we’ve seen MBA drafted in for analysis as a result. I saw him pleading on Twitter with someone on the Sky team (can’t remember who) to ‘hook him up’. Looks like it worked.
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Post by LTFan on Jan 16, 2021 10:51:18 GMT
I’m surprised Sky covered this game with both Tuck and Lasker not available If anything it showed again how poor the bbl player setup and camera angles are when sky don’t show the games, just awful especially at ponds forge Yes. I flipped between the Sky coverage and the BBL Player coverage for a bit, and the difference in quantity is staggering. It would be unfair to expect every game on BBL Player to be of the quality of the Sky coverage, but the gap between the two shouldn’t be as big as it is. Biggest problem, in my opinion, is the auto-cameras. Not just their ability to keep up with the action, but for me it’s more about the awful angle they’re at. Some are like watching it via a birds eye view. And then of course there’s the biggest problem of all - when the coverage in the BBL Player simply doesn’t appear (or keeps disappearing) making it literally impossible to watch.
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Post by dandayr on Jan 16, 2021 12:11:56 GMT
Another tech for ATIBA 🤦♂️ Cortez just sublime tonight, good job on the road although not sure what Tuck is up to think his ego has exploded even further since he joined sky Mike Tuck telling the ref “I’m Mike Tuck from Sky Sports, baby!” did make me smile. 😆 the big question is which of the two extremes is he normally: a) heavy trash talker and would not have got past the mic'd up filter b) asking after the family, did you see Corrie last night and what did you think of the One Show? In the closing titles when they ran clips with his microphone picked up - forget the exact words - but basically told another player he could not talk as he normally would as on a sky mic .
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Post by voise on Jan 16, 2021 12:21:08 GMT
Can't argue with any of Retsek's points😉 The Eagles D completely shutdown Sharks offence and their fast break exploited Sharks tardiness in getting back. For me it was a mental thing last night, even from the tip it felt like the Sharks players thought they could not win it. Ratinho is hung out to dry on that second unit - I would play him alongside Hemsley so teams have to guard more than one player. I think though Sharks can play a lot better than that. Lewis showed in the final 2 minutes that he can impact a game when he is in the groove and Lillard can contribute if he plays within his role and doesn't let his temper take over.
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Post by dandayr on Jan 16, 2021 12:58:32 GMT
I did not understand why Sharks did not exploit early advantages they picked up. First time Koch posts up and gets ball - Maxwell picks up his foul. Next couple of plays Koch gets pts for Sharks. Then they decided nah that's not the way - even though When Defoe comes in the game he picks up a foul not long after for an inside play from Tuck. As to Adenekan his must have been the quickest of the three to pick up foul after coming on court who would have to stick to Koch and Tuck if Sharks had tried the post play more often.
As to Eagles - scary to think how out of sight they could have been if their three was not so cold again. Be even better if they can coach the silly fouls out of Maxwell (was it his 4th when he crashed into a non threatening player at top of the key?) and manage his minutes due to tactic changes and not due to PFs.
Cant say I watched thinking Sharks players look like thy thought they could not win it - but I did watch thinking Eagles players look like they feel they are conbasketball kiting the game and could switch things if needed.
Even thinking about the turnovers - Sharks looked frustrated when they did one cause knew it was personal mistakes on simple things, Eagles looked frustrated as they knew were so close to executing a smart and often difficult pass to exploit gaps. SO one team knew they could go simple if needed to sort it and the other team were already trying simple and turning it over due to better D from their opponents.
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Post by stevetino on Jan 16, 2021 13:22:20 GMT
Another tech for ATIBA 🤦♂️ Cortez just sublime tonight, good job on the road although not sure what Tuck is up to think his ego has exploded even further since he joined sky Mike Tuck telling the ref “I’m Mike Tuck from Sky Sports, baby!” did make me smile. 😆 He’s been listening to shafty for 2 long, oh baby
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Post by stevetino on Jan 16, 2021 13:23:36 GMT
I did not understand why Sharks did not exploit early advantages they picked up. First time Koch posts up and gets ball - Maxwell picks up his foul. Next couple of plays Koch gets pts for Sharks. Then they decided nah that's not the way - even though When Defoe comes in the game he picks up a foul not long after for an inside play from Tuck. As to Adenekan his must have been the quickest of the three to pick up foul after coming on court who would have to stick to Koch and Tuck if Sharks had tried the post play more often. As to Eagles - scary to think how out of sight they could have been if their three was not so cold again. Be even better if they can coach the silly fouls out of Maxwell (was it his 4th when he crashed into a non threatening player at top of the key?) and manage his minutes due to tactic changes and not due to PFs. Cant say I watched thinking Sharks players look like thy thought they could not win it - but I did watch thinking Eagles players look like they feel they are conbasketball kiting the game and could switch things if needed. Even thinking about the turnovers - Sharks looked frustrated when they did one cause knew it was personal mistakes on simple things, Eagles looked frustrated as they knew were so close to executing a smart and often difficult pass to exploit gaps. SO one team knew they could go simple if needed to sort it and the other team were already trying simple and turning it over due to better D from their opponents. Spot on about maxwell the silly fouls are reducing his mins and effectiveness luckily Darius picked up the slack on this occasion
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Post by retsek on Jan 16, 2021 13:26:52 GMT
Ratinho is hung out to dry on that second unit - I would play him alongside Hemsley so teams have to guard more than one player Good idea, I'd have Nichols coming off the bench instead, that gives us a genuine 3 point shooting threat to spread the floor for Koch and Lillard to get to the basket.
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Post by stevetino on Jan 16, 2021 13:38:16 GMT
Ratinho is hung out to dry on that second unit - I would play him alongside Hemsley so teams have to guard more than one player Good idea, I'd have Nichols coming off the bench instead, that gives us a genuine 3 point shooting threat to spread the floor for Koch and Lillard to get to the basket. Lewis seems half the player he can be Retsek since Helmsley has came in
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Post by retsek on Jan 16, 2021 13:41:30 GMT
Good idea, I'd have Nichols coming off the bench instead, that gives us a genuine 3 point shooting threat to spread the floor for Koch and Lillard to get to the basket. Lewis seems half the player he can be Retsek since Helmsley has came in Yup, he's put in 1 performance since Helmsley landed (away to Glasgow). I'll be keeping a very very close eye on the passes that go between the two of them the next few games to see if there's any obvious signs of an issue between the two.
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Post by erd87 on Jan 16, 2021 15:04:11 GMT
Jones should be practice fodder only, and Tuck and Marsden are much of a muchness when it comes to size and athleticism. Looks like Manchester made the correct decision (however unceremoniously they did it) to send him on his way in the summer. Every game I've seen him in for Sharks he looks well off the pace and can hardly make an open jump shot.
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