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Post by massiveridersfan on Mar 12, 2021 21:26:44 GMT
Good to see our defence working well too. Back on form.
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Post by isthaturinal on Mar 12, 2021 21:27:08 GMT
Absolute massacre
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Post by blueskies99 on Mar 12, 2021 21:28:34 GMT
Some don't like blowouts and prefer winning with tight margins. I love them. Riders' best performance as a team this season. Absolutely brilliant. I'd say it was our best performance since our last play-off final victory.
Cohesive and disciplined.
Well done team!
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Post by jimmylad on Mar 12, 2021 21:33:56 GMT
love the riders footwork in defence - so quick into position, just dont give eagles time to settle same cant be said tonight for the home side Riders far superior, eagles poor other than Cortez I thought Gordon looked decent as well
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Post by stevetino on Mar 12, 2021 21:34:39 GMT
Riders far superior, eagles poor other than Cortez I thought Gordon looked decent as well Yeah that’s fair for his 1st game back
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Post by ecrider on Mar 12, 2021 21:39:17 GMT
Agreed best performance of the season
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Post by erd87 on Mar 12, 2021 21:44:39 GMT
Kinda expected this result tonight having watched a few Riders games recently and watched every Eagles game this season. To me it looks like Eagles have been found out this season and if they can't play in transition there appears to be no plan B whatsoever. Some of the half court offence is horrific to watch at times.
I've said it quite a bit this year (although less vociferously due to the current climate), a lack of depth prevents Eagles from being anywhere near a title challenger. I know Sky have to talk up the game, but there was no way tonight had any bearing on an Eagles assault on the league. The drop off when Eagles go to their second unit is there for all to see. Riders took full advantage of Fletcher being off the floor for an extended period and we had some of our bench players chasing shadows the entire time. Riders seemed to be able to score consistently no matter who they had on the floor, although assisted with some anaemic Newcastle defense at times.
Riders look a really good team this year (every year to be fair!) and I hope they go on to take the league over London. Their record this season has been amazing and even the games they've lost have been super close. Stark contrast to the Eagles who seem to have developed a worrying habit of throwing the towel in and picking up heavy defeats over the past couple of seasons.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Mar 12, 2021 21:56:49 GMT
How great was it to see Lee back on excellent form after injury? Seemed as athletic/dynamic as ever. Terrific to watch. With him we are a different team. As important to Riders as Gordon is to Eagles.
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Post by jumbo on Mar 12, 2021 22:08:37 GMT
And some riders fans complain about Ali Fraizer, he’s doing a damn good job for them Yeah he was good tonight. Probably his best game for us. That's what we need from him. He's been getting good looks all season and just missing shots. I've been critical of Fraser and Falzon but they both did their job tonight. If they can come in and give us 8/10 points each, Fraser knock down the mid range jumper and Falzon knock down the open 3. If those two do that we become really, really tough to beat. Those shots are there every game. Just got to make them. More of the same Sunday please.
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Post by baldeagle on Mar 12, 2021 23:02:57 GMT
That was a complete massacre. Eagles completely lacked cohesion, offensive options and defensive energy and were picked to oieces with ease. Riders played strong defence and were OK in offence but Newcastle made it easy for the, and it wasn’t down to the referees either.
I won’t rant about individual players. They will know that they had a nightmare. But I will seriously question some of the combinations put on court by the Eagles coaching staff which, at times, defied all logic. If you have six or seven truly competitive players why run the bench? Some serious questions there, and also about the lack of any coherent half court offence beyond hero ball.
The play offs look a very long shot now. I hope I’m wrong . Either way, it’s time to start laying plans for next season.
On the plus side, coverage was great and the Arena sponsorship deal can only be good news for the club and region.
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Post by stevetino on Mar 12, 2021 23:11:25 GMT
That was a complete massacre. Eagles completely lacked cohesion, offensive options and defensive energy and were picked to oieces with ease. Riders played strong defence and were OK in offence but Newcastle made it easy for the, and it wasn’t down to the referees either. I won’t rant about individual players. They will know that they had a nightmare. But I will seriously question some of the combinations put on court by the Eagles coaching staff which, at times, defied all logic. If you have six or seven truly competitive players why run the bench? Some serious questions there, and also about the lack of any coherent half court offence beyond hero ball. The play offs look a very long shot now. I hope I’m wrong . Either way, it’s time to start laying plans for next season. On the plus side, coverage was great and the Arena sponsorship deal can only be good news for the club and region. So so easy for riders tonight not sure what Coach Mac was thinking with some strange rotations
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Post by leamrider2 on Mar 13, 2021 9:05:40 GMT
Finally! Riders bench clicks into gear, and with a vengeance. Good to see.
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Mar 13, 2021 16:14:39 GMT
I wouldn't say Fraser got a bunch of particularly great looks in this one. I'm mostly remembering mid range stuff and a really tough hook shot after he attempted unsuccessfully to outmuscle Gordon in the lane. He certainly got some kind rolls too. Seemed like virtually every shot he got up hit every inch of the rim before falling through. I doubt he goes 5-6 (we'll ignore the 3PA) too often with those looks and he failed to register a rebound. But at the end of the day, the shots did ultimately go in last night and Riders won by 26 so naturally fans are pleased. I think the criticism of Fraser has been largely justified tbh. He's an experienced pro who's been producing consistently at this sort of level for a long time now and I imagine we expected better from him. That being said, he's turned in enough OK performances to still be a reasonable backup big.
The repeated criticism of Falzon I think has been largely unfair. This is a rookie who was brought in (in place of no one) to play 10 mpg and add some size and shooting and basic depth to our bench. And in my view he's performed that role adequately. Given that we're talking here about a guy who was a borderline top 100 recruit out of high school, turned down offers from the likes of Marquette and NC State, spent three years playing meaningful minutes in the Big Ten... I'd say that for a last guy off the bench in the BBL, he really has quite a lot going for him. Excellent yesterday I thought. Really demonstrated well everything he can bring to a team at this level. But anyone expecting him to make sizeable box score contributions on a consistent basis will ultimately remain disappointed. No one's doing that with the minutes he's getting.
On the whole I think Riders' bench has taken a rather disproportionate share of the blame for our recent wobbles. If you ignore misleading stuff like +/- and just look at straightforward numbers the criticism of our backups in the Wolves defeat looks completely absurd. Quiet one for Falzon admittedly but Fraser and Anderson both put up 9 and 5 on 57 and 66% shooting respectively and Conner went for 15 and 5 and and pretty much put the team on his back down the stretch. Meanwhile Geno was basically the only starter who showed up. Lee was limited to 15 minutes, presumably due to injury. Corey, DNH and Heron combined for 23 points on an eye watering 32 field goal attempts. They were awful! And still I'm flicking through that game thread and hearing about how bad the bench is and how Fraser and Falzon aren't pulling their weight. Just bizarre really.
Excellent performance yesterday regardless. I think it's fairly unlikely but if we do get an efficient 43 point contribution from our bench tomorrow I like us to win. If we don't, and we lose, I look forward to hearing about how it was the bench's fault, regardless of how little some starters (including a highly decorated recent addition) may or may not have contributed.
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Post by jumbo on Mar 13, 2021 22:42:52 GMT
I wouldn't say Fraser got a bunch of particularly great looks in this one. I'm mostly remembering mid range stuff and a really tough hook shot after he attempted unsuccessfully to outmuscle Gordon in the lane. He certainly got some kind rolls too. Seemed like virtually every shot he got up hit every inch of the rim before falling through. I doubt he goes 5-6 (we'll ignore the 3PA) too often with those looks and he failed to register a rebound. But at the end of the day, the shots did ultimately go in last night and Riders won by 26 so naturally fans are pleased. I think the criticism of Fraser has been largely justified tbh. He's an experienced pro who's been producing consistently at this sort of level for a long time now and I imagine we expected better from him. That being said, he's turned in enough OK performances to still be a reasonable backup big. The repeated criticism of Falzon I think has been largely unfair. This is a rookie who was brought in (in place of no one) to play 10 mpg and add some size and shooting and basic depth to our bench. And in my view he's performed that role adequately. Given that we're talking here about a guy who was a borderline top 100 recruit out of high school, turned down offers from the likes of Marquette and NC State, spent three years playing meaningful minutes in the Big Ten... I'd say that for a last guy off the bench in the BBL, he really has quite a lot going for him. Excellent yesterday I thought. Really demonstrated well everything he can bring to a team at this level. But anyone expecting him to make sizeable box score contributions on a consistent basis will ultimately remain disappointed. No one's doing that with the minutes he's getting. On the whole I think Riders' bench has taken a rather disproportionate share of the blame for our recent wobbles. If you ignore misleading stuff like +/- and just look at straightforward numbers the criticism of our backups in the Wolves defeat looks completely absurd. Quiet one for Falzon admittedly but Fraser and Anderson both put up 9 and 5 on 57 and 66% shooting respectively and Conner went for 15 and 5 and and pretty much put the team on his back down the stretch. Meanwhile Geno was basically the only starter who showed up. Lee was limited to 15 minutes, presumably due to injury. Corey, DNH and Heron combined for 23 points on an eye watering 32 field goal attempts. They were awful! And still I'm flicking through that game thread and hearing about how bad the bench is and how Fraser and Falzon aren't pulling their weight. Just bizarre really. Excellent performance yesterday regardless. I think it's fairly unlikely but if we do get an efficient 43 point contribution from our bench tomorrow I like us to win. If we don't, and we lose, I look forward to hearing about how it was the bench's fault, regardless of how little some starters (including a highly decorated recent addition) may or may not have contributed. I think a lot of that is mostly spot on. I think a lot of it comes down to expectations I suppose. If we had just brought in some random back up big to plug a gap (like Adenekan at Newcastle) I don't think too many people would be complaining at the production. But Fraser has gone from being a borderline mvp contender last year to someone who is putting up 6 and 3. Now he was never going to put up 17 and 7, even if he was the starter, but it's his efficiency that's killing things. Top 3 for fg% in the league last year at over 60%. Down to nearly 40% this season. Must be some sort of record drop. Agree that his looks weren't all that great against Newcastle but he's been getting good looks all season and just not making them. Hopefully last night can be a bit of a turning point for him. Hes obviously a good player and if he can find some form these last 10 games would be massive for us. As for Falzon, I do kind of agree. As a number 9 off the bench he has great pedigree. But having played a big role in a power conference I personally expected a bit more. Obviously never going to be putting up huge numbers but again it's the efficiency. Whilst he wasn't exactly a dead eye 3 point shooter in college that was clearly his main/only role. Getting up nearly 5 threes a game. I saw him as someone who would come off the bench with a bit of a green light on offence to be a gun 3 point shooter. But hes only shooting 28% from 3. If he was making that shot more consistently I think he would see more court time. Have sometimes felt he has struggled on the other end. Struggling to keep up with the quicker wings and not big enough to guard the bigs. He's had a couple of good performances too recently though so there's definitely positives but I think too often the entire scoring burden for the bench has fallen to Conner. I think he has had a really good season but if he has an off day the bench can look pretty thin offensively. Personally think Jamell has had a good season too. His main role definitely does not show up on the box score but you just have to watch the games to see his importance. Has become a relatively dependable shooter last couple of seasons too.
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Post by stevetino on Mar 14, 2021 8:49:43 GMT
Don’t forget other than Cortez and fletch nobody else turned up for eagles so perhaps some of those numbers were slightly flattering, guess we will see if it’s a flash in the pan or not against London , as for eagles roll on the playoffs, another season showing the pattern of starting great and fading badly
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Post by baldereagle on Mar 15, 2021 8:31:32 GMT
Tend to agree a fading season is becoming a worrying Eagles tradition that IRF was fond of emphasising. Maxwell and Matthews are two prime examples that I was excited about last autumn but no longer.
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Post by stevetino on Mar 15, 2021 8:46:05 GMT
Tend to agree a fading season is becoming a worrying Eagles tradition that IRF was fond of emphasising. Maxwell and Matthews are two prime examples that I was excited about last autumn but no longer. Do u mean Eddie? What’s going on there, he was getting minutes and contributing before Xmas but since then he barely gets on, wonder if he’s still struggling from Covid after effects?
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