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Post by mitchmitchell21 on Jul 22, 2021 16:17:47 GMT
Dose anybody know when the fixtures are coming out, need to book some holiday at work for away games lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 16:28:10 GMT
When the teams stop dropping out lol
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Post by blueskies99 on Aug 2, 2021 15:42:39 GMT
Riders to announce their schedule tomorrow.
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Post by lochrocks on Aug 2, 2021 18:07:26 GMT
The Rocks have just put this on Twitter.
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@bblofficial
are announcing fixtures tomorrow morning.
We're expecting some immediate updates and will put out our finalised schedule sometime this week including our pre-season plans.
Keep an Eyesout for more news!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 18:18:53 GMT
So what do we reckon? Teams will play each three times = 27 games + 2x5-team cup groups to give another 4 games?
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Post by gloryeagle on Aug 3, 2021 9:33:33 GMT
So what do we reckon? Teams will play each three times = 27 games + 2x5-team cup groups to give another 4 games? Nailed it - Home & Away in Cup though so an additional 8 games. I was hoping for a 36 game regular season myself. Eagles starting at home to the Rocks, always good to start with a win... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 10:20:04 GMT
I just hope the Rocks are a lot better than last year, can't get any worse than bottom so I suppose anything other than last is a great improvement.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 13:55:28 GMT
So I've counted a total of 56 or so games that every team will play (both home and away) for the upcoming season? BBL is on crack to even attempt to play that many games and I suspect more than half will be cut due to Covid. For a sport that is less popular that football, rugby etc, why would they attempt to play almost double the games as the most popular sports in the UK? Its not like they have sellout crowds throughout the whole league and its clearly no demand for BBL games in London as I've seen with my own eyes. There will be no bailout this time so let's see how this goes now that the BBL crowd thinks Covid will not be an issue!
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Post by allstring on Aug 3, 2021 14:08:19 GMT
So I've counted a total of 56 or so games that every team will play (both home and away) for the upcoming season? BBL is on crack to even attempt to play that many games and I suspect more than half will be cut due to Covid. For a sport that is less popular that football, rugby etc, why would they attempt to play almost double the games as the most popular sports in the UK? Its not like they have sellout crowds throughout the whole league and its clearly no demand for BBL games in London as I've seen with my own eyes. There will be no bailout this time so let's see how this goes now that the BBL crowd thinks Covid will not be an issue! How did you calculate 56? Contingency! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 14:11:29 GMT
So I've counted a total of 56 or so games that every team will play (both home and away) for the upcoming season? BBL is on crack to even attempt to play that many games and I suspect more than half will be cut due to Covid. For a sport that is less popular that football, rugby etc, why would they attempt to play almost double the games as the most popular sports in the UK? Its not like they have sellout crowds throughout the whole league and its clearly no demand for BBL games in London as I've seen with my own eyes. There will be no bailout this time so let's see how this goes now that the BBL crowd thinks Covid will not be an issue! How did you calculate 56? Contingency! I think (3x9)+((2x4)=56 if you're really, really stupid. But then this is cave dweller who told us last season would never happen. I must admit that only the bottom side in a five team Cup group being eliminated seems a bit of a waste of time. The group winner should go straight into the semi finals where they'd play the winner of a 2nd v 3rd match-up |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 14:12:00 GMT
So I've counted a total of 56 or so games that every team will play (both home and away) for the upcoming season? BBL is on crack to even attempt to play that many games and I suspect more than half will be cut due to Covid. For a sport that is less popular that football, rugby etc, why would they attempt to play almost double the games as the most popular sports in the UK? Its not like they have sellout crowds throughout the whole league and its clearly no demand for BBL games in London as I've seen with my own eyes. There will be no bailout this time so let's see how this goes now that the BBL crowd thinks Covid will not be an issue! How did you calculate 56? Contingency! I went to the BBL site, picked London Lions and Glasgow games and counted them. That's way too many games for a league like this. Less is more, quality over quantity. That should be the strategy. When I went to the Lions a few years ago, it was about 500-600 people there and the Royals, forget about it, like 200-300. Insanity. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 14:25:25 GMT
So you counted the dates where there wasn't games and included them? Jeez, how fundamentally stupid are you?
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Post by allstring on Aug 3, 2021 14:31:22 GMT
How did you calculate 56? Contingency! I went to the BBL site, picked London Lions and Glasgow games and counted them. That's way too many games for a league like this. Less is more, quality over quantity. That should be the strategy. When I went to the Lions a few years ago, it was about 500-600 people there and the Royals, forget about it, like 200-300. Insanity. The good news is the BBL have taken your advice and reduced the total number of games to as few as 36. So only a few more than you were used to playing a few years ago; and the BBL season is much longer. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 15:00:05 GMT
So you counted the dates where there wasn't games and included them? Jeez, how fundamentally stupid are you? Or is it 36? Maybe I've overcounted. Even if its 36 that means 18 home games, still too many if no one was showing up even before Covid. Simple supply and demand and their model is broken. |
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Post by allstring on Aug 3, 2021 16:15:42 GMT
So you counted the dates where there wasn't games and included them? Jeez, how fundamentally stupid are you? Or is it 36? Maybe I've overcounted. Even if its 36 that means 18 home games, still too many if no one was showing up even before Covid. Simple supply and demand and their model is broken. Further good news, for some teams it might not be as many as 18 home games, a team is only guaranteed 17 home games. How low do you want to go? 56 was too many. 36 is now too many. 18 home games is now too many. I'm not entirely sure of the logic you are referring to here. Surely the more home games (assuming they don't run at a loss) the higher the income? You mention Rugby so you are presumably aware that the current top level league is being decided on percentage points as not all matches will complete; for the second season running. BBL have a way to go before reaching that point (multiple unplayed games). What you do in the current climate is to increase the games, not reduce them as if you get crowds in you increase your income. I reckon the Cup was made H/A on that basis. |
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Post by teamnix on Aug 3, 2021 17:23:26 GMT
So you counted the dates where there wasn't games and included them? Jeez, how fundamentally stupid are you? Or is it 36? Maybe I've overcounted. Even if its 36 that means 18 home games, still too many if no one was showing up even before Covid. Simple supply and demand and their model is broken. before COVID we were almost sold out every week so I don’t know where you get nobody turning up |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 17:25:17 GMT
I might not particularly fancy the Cup format, it's basically a glorified pre-season, but I reckon I'll leave it to people who've actually ran pro basketball to decide how many home games they need, rather than random internet oddballs. They'll generally play 2.5-3 per month, which is probably about right.
Fun with maths. The maximum number of games is either 49 or 51 depending whether the play-off 1/4 and 1/2 finals are two or three leg ties. Teams will play a minimum of 35 games, I reckon it averages out at 40-42 which over 8 months is about right IMO
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Aug 3, 2021 17:39:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 17:39:45 GMT
Or is it 36? Maybe I've overcounted. Even if its 36 that means 18 home games, still too many if no one was showing up even before Covid. Simple supply and demand and their model is broken. Further good news, for some teams it might not be as many as 18 home games, a team is only guaranteed 17 home games. How low do you want to go? 56 was too many. 36 is now too many. 18 home games is now too many. I'm not entirely sure of the logic you are referring to here. Surely the more home games (assuming they don't run at a loss) the higher the income? You mention Rugby so you are presumably aware that the current top level league is being decided on percentage points as not all matches will complete; for the second season running. BBL have a way to go before reaching that point (multiple unplayed games). What you do in the current climate is to increase the games, not reduce them as if you get crowds in you increase your income. I reckon the Cup was made H/A on that basis. Depending on team operating costs/payroll per game vs ticket/sponsor revenue will determine profit/loss per game. I don’t know how much team pay and operating cost per home game but let’s say it’s a ridiculously low £10k. How many teams in the BBL (if any) have £10k in revenue coming in? Given Covid, no one knows what ticket revenue will be, but they do know costs. Not a good scenario and without big private investment, the BBL model is upside down. Lastly, the BBL needs investment, British investment, without it, outside investors will sit on the sidelines until British capital steps up to save basketball. I suspect U.K. government is also on the sidelines as well. Sure, there may be more “rescue” funds, but until there is investor conviction, basketball in the U.K. will remain in the sorry state it’s been for a while now. |
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Post by davef on Aug 3, 2021 17:50:30 GMT
So hang on
Your latest utterly uniformed position (and it’s never too long until the next one) is that the clubs are all losing money hosting games and that £10k to put on a game is laughably low.
Even for you this is pretty high grade nuts.
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Aug 3, 2021 18:10:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 18:10:59 GMT
@drunkster
amusingly cluesless. please keep digging
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Aug 3, 2021 18:56:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 18:56:08 GMT
So hang on Your latest utterly uniformed position (and it’s never too long until the next one) is that the clubs are all losing money hosting games and that £10k to put on a game is laughably low. Even for you this is pretty high grade nuts. Say what you will but if ANY BBL team can stage games with all costs included (including player wages and venue hire) for £10k, is a dire reflection of the state of pro ball in the U.K. AND….if revenue per game is not averaging £10k per game, then there really isn’t anything that would attract any real investor, brand, etc. Seems stuck to me. Am I missing something?? |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Aug 3, 2021 19:02:33 GMT
I dont think theres time for this... |
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Aug 3, 2021 19:11:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 19:11:50 GMT
4his bette4 than the football I'm at. though the keeper is getting treatment
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Post by massiveridersfan on Aug 3, 2021 19:26:10 GMT
PLEASE can we just stick to each thread and stay on message! The constant bickering/sniping etc is so wearing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 21:12:47 GMT
I think we are on message. Someone claiming that it costs over £10k to stage an average BBL game is either insane or on the Pavilions payroll.
I guess he's never been to Bristol or SSP
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