sharkz
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Post by sharkz on Mar 30, 2016 8:09:39 GMT
An interesting article from the Guardian here about NBA end of game fouls.
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Post by itsyersel on Mar 30, 2016 8:58:59 GMT
That's exactly what I've been thinking for a while. Play the advantage and still give the guy that commits the foul, a foul on his total.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 30, 2016 9:34:46 GMT
Any reason why "deliberate" fouls in last 60 seconds (for example) couldn't be treated as Technical fouls and opposition get free throws and the ball back?
I realise it's judgemental on the deliberate fouls but the ones we see them doing now are clearly deliberate
Close games nearly always end in a messy stop start way as the article correctly points out
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 10:02:34 GMT
Will players standing around, running down the shot clock be any better? The final couple of minutes aren't a procession of free-throws, only one side will be deliberately fouling.
I'd be interested to know how much basketball the author has watched. All the references could come from google.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 10:06:56 GMT
I notice the author has wrote 3 books on soccer. Just putting that out there....
I don't see anything wrong with the current system tbh.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 30, 2016 10:08:09 GMT
Will players standing around, running down the shot clock be any better? The final couple of minutes aren't a procession of free-throws, only one side will be deliberately fouling. I'd be interested to know how much basketball the author has watched. All the references could come from google. Good point re running down the shot clock I guess you could reduce the amount of seconds on shot clock in final minute But at end of the day it's the way the game is played and you can end up changing things for sake of changing and not always for the better |
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Post by connors on Mar 30, 2016 11:14:12 GMT
This problem seems to mainly blight NBA games. I am a massive NBA fan but just in last few years close games (which as a neutral I always want) are often ruined by this procession to the free throw line and constant time outs.
In FIBA rules the issue does not seem as prevalent and that is where the NBA needs to look to see what it could change if it wanted to. I would personally start with the time outs - potentially reducing them and actually enforcing the length of time they take. Maybe the way they are requested should also be looked at so that its not so easy to call them and the players decide more games as opposed to the coaches trying to.
During the last NBA lock out I watched a lot of euroleague and it was so refreshing to watch high quality basketball games that flowed without the constant interruptions!
There seems to be a general acceptance amongst NBA commentators and pundits that something needs to be done about the deliberate fouling of bad free throw shooters but nobody seems to know what.Best I can think of is 2 shots and ball back for any fouls off the ball in the last 2 mins of the game. This would at least mean that an attempt to foul someone like Deandre Jordan would need to be when he has the ball and tactically give the offensive team the option of keeping such players on the floor but not using them as a primary threat to score. Not ideal but it was the best I heard.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 13:16:53 GMT
You can't hack in the final four (?) minutes, but they need to stop it in the earlier periods. Running up to a bloke who's nowhere near the ball and deliberately fouling him is intentional - it would be called in FIBA games, that's all they need to do in the NBA. I can't see there's any issue outside the NBA.
As an aside, while watching the NIT semis last night, they were talking about ending the one-and-one and changing to four periods. I think that'll improve the college game as you get games where both sides are in the penalty for ten+ minutes.
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Post by connors on Mar 30, 2016 15:00:36 GMT
Good to get rid of the one-and-one but do you think the FIBA game has benefited from the introduction of quarters? I played all my junior and about a third of my senior hoops in 2 halves and on balance I think I preferred it.
I always thought that playing in quarters was a concession the sport made originally in the states to TV advertisers and perhaps that alone is enough reason for it to be in FIBA rules (for countries that actually show live games on TV of course :-)).
You make a very good point about the fouls and its funny but in a lot of sports issues can be solved by just actually applying the existing rules as intended rather than changing the game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 16:35:45 GMT
I prefer quarters as a tightly reffed game with halves ends up with about ten minutes of free-throws - at least quarters breaks that up a bit. Breaks for TV is a bit moot in college games, they have four TV timeouts per half, anyway 
If you really want to speed things up, I saw an idea in a kids' summer league where you take one foul shot. if you were shooting a two or were in the penalty it's worth two points, it you were shooting a trey it's worth three. Let's see if DeAndre can cope with that 
But looking again at the article, it's clearly written by a football journalist who doesn't understand basketball., anyway. |
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Post by inaminute23 on Mar 31, 2016 12:03:22 GMT
foul off the ball, free throws and possesion. Persistent offending, for the reason of getting a poor shooter to the line, then technical should be given, too
Limit the time outs. At the very least get rid of 20 second time out
FIBA rules are by far the best for the game to flow
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