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Post by dyb dyb on Oct 27, 2018 10:03:00 GMT
It does leave us in a very poor place and possibly a long fruitless season ahead of us.
One worthy mention for Marko who I thought put in a good shift last night, despite his critics. He put the effort in!
Unfortunately his endevours will most likely mean more court time, which doesnt say much for the rest of the team.
Looking the worse for some time.
Scarey thing is we're going to play much better teams than Nix in the likes of the Eagles and Riders. What will they do to us?
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Post by interestedridersfan on Oct 27, 2018 10:18:16 GMT
I have thought long and hard about my next post which was going to be a follow up on the refs. Needless to say I'm not happy. It comes to something when Billy, a reporter who normally does very well in remaining inpartial critises a call like he has above. Lets face it I'm not the only fan that critises refs, Pat (sorry to drag you in) loves a good rant at them. However I do not want to take any of this away from Nix. They desereved the win. They performed better, they were the better team. I speak individually to some Nix supporters and they will know I honestly congratulate them on the win. Seriously Dyb Dyb your focus on referee decisions is OTT Be honest. Do you think the BBL refs are cheats? Unless you do then don't focus on the decisions you disagree with so much. It's a fast moving game and they will make errors. Over a season the errors will even themselves out. No team is either helped or hindered by referees. They do the best job they can. They aren't earning a fortune doing it either. They will make mistakes every game for sure. It's judgements and opinion half the time regardless. Even the commentators last night for your game couldn't always agree the right decision etc. Now if you accept that we all make mistakes in life all of the time and referees are no different than the rest then one more thing I will say is: Right now your team are making WAY more mistakes in their games than the referees. Simple as that. Ps - Have you ever thought about becoming a ref yourself if it interests you this much? That's a genuine question. Or maybe a ref adjudicator? If you did I bet your attitude would change qucickly once you realised what a tough job it is |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Oct 27, 2018 10:18:52 GMT
It does leave us in a very poor place and possibly a long fruitless season ahead of us. One worthy mention for Marko who I thought put in a good shift last night, despite his critics. He put the effort in! Unfortunately his endevours will most likely mean more court time, which doesnt say much for the rest of the team. Looking the worse for some time. Scarey thing is we're going to play much better teams than Nix in the likes of the Eagles and Riders. What will they do to us? I think nix are better than we all might think this season |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Oct 27, 2018 10:33:51 GMT
Although we beat them in a pre-season friendly they showed a lot of heart and skill. Think we'll find it tougher next time we compete judging by our present form!
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Post by interestedridersfan on Oct 27, 2018 11:09:28 GMT
Although we beat them in a pre-season friendly they showed a lot of heart and skill. Think we'll find it tougher next time we compete judging by our present form! They also beat Royals with a bit to spare in the end |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 27, 2018 12:32:04 GMT
Do you think the BBL refs are cheats? Cheats? No. Prejudiced by their own conceived ideas about who should get what call? 150%. Especially in the north. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Oct 27, 2018 12:47:47 GMT
Damn don't let Dyb Dyb start thinking the refs are prejudiced!
That's like throwing fuel onto a fire !
Lol
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Post by interestedridersfan on Oct 27, 2018 12:48:46 GMT
That's prejudiced isn't it? |
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Post by saintpat on Oct 27, 2018 13:04:17 GMT
AS I've been brought in, I'll add a little about refs.
I'm not nearly as critical as I was & I appreciate that my team always makes more mistakes than the refs do. However there should be a certain level that they achieve & they don't always do that IMO.
Do they cheat- NO!
But Bigz has it spot on (I'm presuming it was Bigz that wrote it- I was slightly confused!)- some refs do have pre-conceived ideas about players/coaches. Some get away with a lot, some with very little. Some refs give certain players privileges that they don't give others.
If player 'A' misses a shot he would normally make with player 'B' in his face, then certain refs will call a foul almost every time because the pre-conceived idea is they don't miss the shot normally so there must have been a foul! Yet the other way round a foul may not be called for the opposite reason. It happens, we've all seen it happen, there's nothing you can do to change it as there are personalities involved and that makes a difference to the call.
I object when a ref sees through a group of players to make a call he can't be sure about, when a closer ref hasn't called it - there are a couple of refs local to London who seem to think they have x-ray vision- it goes for & against us & it's sometimes affected by how the team has reacted to the ref during the game!
It also drives me mad when refs guess who touched the ball last when it went out of court- if you don't know- call a jump ball - that's why the rule is there- don't just make it up to make it easy!
I actually don't think the refs are as bad as very many of my fellow fans seem to, however as I'm vocal when I'm unhappy on here & at the game!!, it's perceived that I'm constantly moaning about them!!
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Post by dyb dyb on Oct 27, 2018 13:36:19 GMT
Alright, me and the refs and the sharks.
A lot to cover here, I hope I can.
Firstly the refs. Yes I critiscise them for what I feel are bad calls. For me that is one massive step away from blaming them for any results, win or lose.
I do offer critism on a win or loss, alright not much opportunity for the win one this season, but I have.
The very nearest I've ever gone to blaming refs are when I have highlighted to me what are 'game changing' decisions and have discussed this with INF more than once.
When I do criticise I do try to back this up with an example or to highlight something that happened in the game. I did this for last nigts game for the Chris/Marko calls, just to get an OMG.
Until someone can show me both incidents again and explain why they recieved 2 different calls, I'll still question it. If I can be shown the errors of my ways, I'll hold my hand up and apologise.
INF, to answer one of your questions. Yes I have run the line at football and found it very difficult, I made mistakes and fans let me know their oppinions of me. Needless to say I didn't take it up as a proffession. To say I'm OTT or even fixated by the refs is bit of a cheek, how do you think you became known as INF.
Cheating is a very difficult one and I'll go back to the Chris/Marko calls. Were these honest mistakes, did 3 refs miss something. Or was there some sort of thought process made when the calls were made. I can't answer that, only the ref can. Also the non pull back. All 3 missed it or at least it wasn't given. Coach Thomas saw it and laughed. What was the reasoning behind that.
Last season I made an effort not to mention the refs at all. I think it was almost expected of me and INF tried his best to get me to say something. So ok, I'll try again.
As for the sharks themselves.
Yes, its looking like their worse season EVER. Does that mean everone as to abandon ship, criticise the club after every loss? I confident the management have eyes for themselves and can see what is happening and that they are not too happy about the situation that we are in. I'm sure it doesn't take me to tell them.
After all don't you think THEY would much rather see their club near the top, winning trophies rather than turning out poor performances and potentailly having the worse season in sharks history. What do they get out of it if we miss out on the play offs for the first time ever.
This is the time that the club needs support and fans behind them. Not staying at home and pulling the club apart.
So come the next game I will cheer my team on, does this make me a happy clapper? If so, so beit.
I'll try not to mention you know who's too.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Oct 27, 2018 13:50:57 GMT
You can definitely still support you team without commenting on refs
In fact you could get behind your team twice as much if you stopped worrying about them Dyb Dyb
I'm not being funny I'm being honest. I think you are wasting energy worrying about them, they ain't going to become perfect so as you may as well just accept their inevitable mistakes and forget about them
IMO
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 16:50:25 GMT
Alright, me and the refs and the sharks. A lot to cover here, I hope I can. Firstly the refs. Yes I critiscise them for what I feel are bad calls. For me that is one massive step away from blaming them for any results, win or lose. I do offer critism on a win or loss, alright not much opportunity for the win one this season, but I have. The very nearest I've ever gone to blaming refs are when I have highlighted to me what are 'game changing' decisions and have discussed this with INF more than once. When I do criticise I do try to back this up with an example or to highlight something that happened in the game. I did this for last nigts game for the Chris/Marko calls, just to get an OMG. Until someone can show me both incidents and explain why they recieved 2 different calls, I'll still question it. If I can be shown the errors of my ways, I'll hold my hand up and apologise. INF, to answer one of your questions. Yes I have run the line at football and found it very difficult, I made mistakes and fans let me know their oppinions of me. Needless to say I didn't take it up as a proffesion. To say I'm OTT or even fixated by the refs is bit of a cheek, how do you think you became known as INF. Cheating is a very difficult one and I go back to the Chris/Marko calls. Were these honest mistakes, did 3 refs miss something. Or was there some sort of thought process made when the calls were made. I can't answer that, only the ref can. Also the non pull back. All 3 missed it or at least it wasn't given. Coach Thomas saw it and laughed. What was the reasoning behind that. Last season I made an effort not to mention the refs at all. I think it was almost expected of me and INF tried his best to get me to say something. So ok, I'll try again. As for the sharks themselves. Yes, its looking like their worse season EVER. Does that mean everone as to abandon ship, criticise the club after every loss? I confident the management have eyes for themselves and can see what is happening and that they are not too happy about the situation that we are in. I'm sure it doesn't take me to tell them. After all don't you think THEY would much rather see their club near the top, winning trophies rather than turning out poor performances and potentailly having the worse season in sharks history. What do they get out of it if we miss out on the play offs for the first time ever. This is the time that the club needs support and fans behind them. Not staying at home and pulling the club apart. So come the next game I will cheer my team on, does this make me a happy clapper? If so, so beit. I'll try not to mention you know who's too. You'd be surprised at how many clubs, in all sports, have people running them who are incapable or unwilling to make changes despite it being clear to others. Any one of us could reel off dozens of examples. I do feel the Sharks fans have a habit of criticising the refs more then most, and I feel it diverts attention away from the real issues. The bbl is very insular and I feel it discourages fans (who often know the owners, coaches etc) from holding the clubs to account. However, we absolutely should hold them to account. At present, Rocks and Sharks fans should be raging with those running their clubs. They're failing us. The refs are a smoke screen. That said, anyone is welcome to come on here and vent as much as they like (provided I don't get sued!). Noone involved in the game is above criticism. |
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Post by stevetino on Oct 27, 2018 17:11:46 GMT
It’s that bad Retsek hardly ever posts!!
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Post by Colicab85 on Oct 27, 2018 17:29:10 GMT
After all don't you think THEY would much rather see their club near the top, winning trophies rather than turning out poor performances and potentailly having the worse season in sharks history. What do they get out of it if we miss out on the play offs for the first time ever. This is the time that the club needs support and fans behind them. Not staying at home and pulling the club apart. So come the next game I will cheer my team on, does this make me a happy clapper? If so, so beit. I'll try not to mention you know who's too. I actually don’t think the Sharks management really care. I’ve said it before, I feel the sharks management are happy with the status quo as it gives them a living. To rock the boat may jeopardise their jobs. Can’t blame them doing that really. It’s not about winning. A new coach, fresh recruitment strategy could work wonders at Sharks. We certainly should be able to criticise and decide not to go if I feel it’s a waste of my time or money. I’m allowed to criticise at Hillsborough so I should be allowed with the Sharks. |
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Post by faz on Oct 27, 2018 19:03:03 GMT
AS I've been brought in, I'll add a little about refs. I'm not nearly as critical as I was & I appreciate that my team always makes more mistakes than the refs do. However there should be a certain level that they achieve & they don't always do that IMO. Do they cheat- NO! But Bigz has it spot on (I'm presuming it was Bigz that wrote it- I was slightly confused!)- some refs do have pre-conceived ideas about players/coaches. Some get away with a lot, some with very little. Some refs give certain players privileges that they don't give others. If player 'A' misses a shot he would normally make with player 'B' in his face, then certain refs will call a foul almost every time because the pre-conceived idea is they don't miss the shot normally so there must have been a foul! Yet the other way round a foul may not be called for the opposite reason. It happens, we've all seen it happen, there's nothing you can do to change it as there are personalities involved and that makes a difference to the call. I object when a ref sees through a group of players to make a call he can't be sure about, when a closer ref hasn't called it - there are a couple of refs local to London who seem to think they have x-ray vision- it goes for & against us & it's sometimes affected by how the team has reacted to the ref during the game! It also drives me mad when refs guess who touched the ball last when it went out of court- if you don't know- call a jump ball - that's why the rule is there- don't just make it up to make it easy! I actually don't think the refs are as bad as very many of my fellow fans seem to, however as I'm vocal when I'm unhappy on here & at the game!!, it's perceived that I'm constantly moaning about them!! I’m not sure I’d be that I’d say that about junior games!! A number of venues come to mind I’ve witnessed a ref where their son was playing in the game I also count fouls allocated at certain venues where they move the fouls to weaker players. Seriously |
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Post by rammieib on Oct 27, 2018 19:27:41 GMT
AS I've been brought in, I'll add a little about refs. I'm not nearly as critical as I was & I appreciate that my team always makes more mistakes than the refs do. However there should be a certain level that they achieve & they don't always do that IMO. Do they cheat- NO! But Bigz has it spot on (I'm presuming it was Bigz that wrote it- I was slightly confused!)- some refs do have pre-conceived ideas about players/coaches. Some get away with a lot, some with very little. Some refs give certain players privileges that they don't give others. If player 'A' misses a shot he would normally make with player 'B' in his face, then certain refs will call a foul almost every time because the pre-conceived idea is they don't miss the shot normally so there must have been a foul! Yet the other way round a foul may not be called for the opposite reason. It happens, we've all seen it happen, there's nothing you can do to change it as there are personalities involved and that makes a difference to the call. I object when a ref sees through a group of players to make a call he can't be sure about, when a closer ref hasn't called it - there are a couple of refs local to London who seem to think they have x-ray vision- it goes for & against us & it's sometimes affected by how the team has reacted to the ref during the game! It also drives me mad when refs guess who touched the ball last when it went out of court- if you don't know- call a jump ball - that's why the rule is there- don't just make it up to make it easy! I actually don't think the refs are as bad as very many of my fellow fans seem to, however as I'm vocal when I'm unhappy on here & at the game!!, it's perceived that I'm constantly moaning about them!! I’m not sure I’d be that I’d say that about junior games!! A number of venues come to mind I’ve witnessed a ref where their son was playing in the game I also count fouls allocated at certain venues where they move the fouls to weaker players. Seriously Faz - if that has happened, then is that not the fault of a table blatantly cheating? As a ref who does Junior NBL games, I never keep an eye on how many fouls a player has. I don't care to be honest. I always try and call a game as consistently and evenly as possible. What frustrates me are the parents. There tends to be a fair few parents at some of these games - as you run up and down you can consistently hear them shouting abuse (not swearing, if I heard that I would stop the game immediately and talk to the coach). I'm desperate to turn around and educate them on the rules of the game (which most of the time they don't know) but violations are so often judgement calls. It's no surprise at all that we are so desperately short of referees. Final point, since I qualified (12 years ago) I always looked back and thought what an idiot I was for some of the stuff I was shouting at BBL games not knowing the rules at all. I don't watch many games now but when I do, I don't see referees decide games. |
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Post by fauxnicks on Oct 27, 2018 19:38:45 GMT
Maybe another thread required?
Think Phoenix starting 5 is very competitive - got to be a top 8 finish this season.
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Post by Colicab85 on Oct 27, 2018 20:43:43 GMT
And yes I feel bad for Dirk Williams. He’s top 3 in the league but playing on an absolutely terrible team and system.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Oct 27, 2018 21:53:19 GMT
Although we beat them in a pre-season friendly they showed a lot of heart and skill. Think we'll find it tougher next time we compete judging by our present form! The team had only been together a few days and Rivers arrived the day before. The team performance in recent games shows how far they have come since that pre season. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Oct 27, 2018 23:08:54 GMT
Maybe another thread required? Think Phoenix starting 5 is very competitive - got to be a top 8 finish this season. I think 4th or 5th is doable for them |
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Post by faz on Oct 28, 2018 5:10:52 GMT
Maybe another thread required? Think Phoenix starting 5 is very competitive - got to be a top 8 finish this season. Top 4 is more than achievable |
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Post by youngnixfan on Oct 28, 2018 10:26:13 GMT
Still a long way to go in season, at the moment all very encouraging. Nice to see other teams fans pleasantly suprised how we are playing. One game at a time, bigger tests to come.
Compared to where club and team was a few years ago post Coffino it surely is nice to see.
Alot of hard work has gone into getting club this far lets hope it continues. Most of the hard work comes from the volunteers who within an hour can get floor taped up...what an amazing effort, sorry gone off thread but highlighting the fact people working as one can achieve quite alot.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Oct 28, 2018 11:37:12 GMT
We're still away from Lions,Eagles and Riders but it does look like this squad could be up there with the others in the mix at the end of season. Good recruiting from whoever put this lot together. Credit to Ben Thomas and others, wonder if all the comments going around, would Sharks fans and a couple of other clubs swap Ben for their current coach?
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