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Post by notoriousbigz on Dec 15, 2018 16:06:05 GMT
NBA franchise in London would work Even bigger pipedream. Expense is far too great for it to make money. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 15, 2018 16:37:47 GMT
NBA franchise in London would work Even bigger pipedream. Expense is far too great for it to make money. I've read that NBA would aim to introduce 4 European franchises at same time if they were to do something. If so I hope London is one of them. The glamour and the amount of International tourists in London I'm sure would make this a goto night out when in London. And there's so much money in NBA full stop. |
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Post by LTFan on Dec 15, 2018 20:02:11 GMT
NBA franchise in London would work I think it would have a greater chance of success than a London Euroleague team... but I still think we’re a long way off from that. Especially with the ridiculous number of games played in the NBA each season. |
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Post by LTFan on Dec 15, 2018 20:05:05 GMT
It does seem that Euroleague wants a London team rather than someone wanting to run a London Euroleague team. I'm not sure how successful the bbl is/has been in London is relevant. Its success would depend on whether the pull of the opposition would be enough to make it viable, and whether they can find someone prepared to lose £10million in the first three years. I think you’re right... and it comes down to this, do Euroleague want a London team so much that they’re willing to contribute financially in some way (and as you say, accept a loss at least in the short term). Because I can’t see anyone taking this on themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 13:29:59 GMT
Even bigger pipedream. Expense is far too great for it to make money. I've read that NBA would aim to introduce 4 European franchises at same time if they were to do something. If so I hope London is one of them. The glamour and the amount of International tourists in London I'm sure would make this a goto night out when in London. And there's so much money in NBA full stop. They've talked about it for as long as the NBA has been making its annual visit to London. Is anyone going to spend $600million to buy and set up a franchise in an unproven market? The average NBA franchise makes around $20-25mill per year. On average an NBA team plays a home game every 4 days but a London team is going to have to play home and away games in blocks. Are they going to get 15000+ when they have 5 home games in 9 days? Even basketball obsessives don't have the time or money to go more than a few times a year. In reality you'd need 300,000 people going on average twice a year. Are there that money people willing to buy tickets that start at £50 for nosebleed seats. As for the NBA European division, where are the other teams coming from? The likes of Real Madrid are happy winning their domestic league and competing in a successful and profitable Euroleague |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 15:50:07 GMT
A European Division aka NBA Europe could be set up like NFL Europe was, new franchises in all Major European cities, 20 teams as a starting point with room for expansion to 30+ teams.
Then there would be a 3 game series between the NBA & NBA Europe in the newly created World Basket.
The cities involved could be something like
1. London
2. Paris
3. Berlin
4. Madrid
5. Lisbon
6. Athens
7. Istanbul
8. Moscow
9. Belgrade
10.Vilnius
11. Zagreb
12. Ljubljana
13. Riga
14. Prague
15. Podgorica
16. Warsaw
17. Brussels
18. Tel Aviv
19. Tbilisi
20. Helsinki
Then there could be expansion to places like Kiev (if & when situation improves), Nicosia, Budapest, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Vienna & Bratislava, maybe even throw Belfast, Cardiff, Dublin & Glasgow just to have all UK cities involved
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 8:34:08 GMT
NFL Europe was hardly a success. You may as well add Fantasy Island to that list of cities for all the relevance it has to the NBA.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 9:07:49 GMT
I'm willing to bet there'll never be an NBA European franchise. They don't seem that keen on having a 31st and 32nd North American team, nevermind a money pit in London...
Why would we be that desperate to support it anyway? We've already got a league.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 10:17:52 GMT
I think the only way they go to 31/32 teams is something different - ie a London franchise. The fact they're willing to leave Seattle without a team (though Phoenix are the latest to threaten to go there) is telling. I'd love a London NBA team, but it's never going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 10:56:20 GMT
I wonder why the resistance? Surely with 16 teams in the playoffs 32 teams is more logical (and credible?).
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 17, 2018 12:05:15 GMT
I read where Adam Silver said in 2015 that it is the NBA's "manifest destiny to expand" in Europe
So the desire is there at least
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Post by fozzie on Dec 17, 2018 12:14:19 GMT
The new London MSG to be built in Stratford stated in their blurb about NBA games (but can't remember if it was a base or just occasions. I know it caused more issues with AEG who do the O2 though as it's close/same tube line/etc)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 18:20:26 GMT
Interesting design! Didn't even know another arena was in the pipeline for London. Not sure i'd fancy being part of a crowd at an e-sports event. Is this a "thing" for the youth of today? Am I just getting too old now?
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Post by LTFan on Dec 17, 2018 20:31:47 GMT
The new London MSG to be built in Stratford stated in their blurb about NBA games (but can't remember if it was a base or just occasions. I know it caused more issues with AEG who do the O2 though as it's close/same tube line/etc) Probably just for occasional games, given the same company also own the N.Y. Knicks. Initially at least. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 0:15:51 GMT
There's supposed to be an ice hockey team playing out of London but won't be in the EIHL but rather the Russian majority KHL.
Perhaps there could be a link between the 2 playing out of the same Arena but the ownership group of the ice hockey team also owns 2 teams in the EIHL, Glasgow Clan & Nottingham Panthers.
As for the point made by hersey earlier I'd disagree that it would be a failure for an NBA Europe Division, simply for the reason that there are more countries in Europe where Basketball is a majority sport especially Lithuania compared with NFL where there aren't any major European leagues for American Football. Perhaps it could work if teams were split into Geographical Divisions within the League but for Eastern Europe it would have to be 2 separate sub divisions to keep a potential Kiev & Moscow team apart. Same for any other political situations then perhaps there could be a system of pro/rel as more teams get added with 2nd & 3rd tiers for the smaller European nations like Andorra, Gibraltar, Kosovo & San Marino
Not only does this create a system where every European basketball nation is involved it'll also help at national team level, playing a higher standard of team might improve things. Get a major sponsor on board and have all teams decked out in kit supplied by one company, all teams would be required to wear the same design of jersey ie a V-neck design and in that v there will be a requirement for the flag of the nation the team represents to be placed in the V, if you're from GB then the flag would be the actual country so for England it would be St George's cross.
There would be a 2500 seater capacity requirement but teams could create a standing section if their Arena is equipped for it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 5:59:50 GMT
Sorry Don, but the NBA aren't going to be interested in a huge European League involving clubs from Belgium or Finland, let alone Andorra.. If they came to Europe they'd cherry-pick 4 or 5 big markets. For all the talk about NBA Europe (and I could write January's story this morning, the quotes are virtually the same every year). I've never heard the EuroLeague clubs expressing a genuine interest to join the NBA. London's unique in that the NBA could move in without competing with an established major club. But that uniqueness (and the sheer scale of an NBA schedule) makes it highly unlikely it'll ever happen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 7:12:56 GMT
Capacity requirement seems to be something that governing bodies in all sports get excited about. What are the implications? Other than the inability of the home side to sell tickets?
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Post by blacknwhite on Dec 18, 2018 8:58:14 GMT
Interesting design! Didn't even know another arena was in the pipeline for London. Not sure i'd fancy being part of a crowd at an e-sports event. Is this a "thing" for the youth of today? Am I just getting too old now? Hate to be "that guy" but esports is huge and only getting bigger. This year the biggest esports event (https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2018) Moved to an almost 19,000 capacity arena, almost 15 million viewers online and $25million in prize pool. Also to add, I had no idea this arena was a thing either but now I am extremely excited about it, especially if it means more high quality basketball on UK soil! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 9:23:45 GMT
They own the Knicks, not a high quality basketball team  |
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Post by blacknwhite on Dec 18, 2018 9:28:11 GMT
They own the Knicks, not a high quality basketball team As a Net's fan I can't disagree with you there. I was meaning more if it could attract a 2nd NBA London Game. Much like the Spurs Stadium is attracting more NFL games to the capital. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 18, 2018 10:01:52 GMT
They own the Knicks, not a high quality basketball team As a Net's fan I can't disagree with you there. I was meaning more if it could attract a 2nd NBA London Game. Much like the Spurs Stadium is attracting more NFL games to teh capital. NBA have also said they can't let NFL get too far ahead of them with infiltration of Europe |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 10:13:47 GMT
They've said a lot. In 2010/11 we had a pre-season game and a (fantastic) two-game series between Toronto and Nets, the following year was the lockout and since then there's been one regular season game each year with a single pre-season game in Manchester. Obviously it's easier for travel, but Mexico City is getting more games. Aside from a press conference and a few articles each January, there is no sign this is going to happen. James Doolan said over the weekend that he'd consider selling Knicks, so I wouldn't pin your hopes on them being regular visitors.
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Post by blacknwhite on Dec 18, 2018 10:24:33 GMT
They've said a lot. In 2010/11 we had a pre-season game and a (fantastic) two-game series between Toronto and Nets, the following year was the lockout and since then there's been one regular season game each year with a single pre-season game in Manchester. Obviously it's easier for travel, but Mexico City is getting more games. Aside from a press conference and a few articles each January, there is no sign this is going to happen. James Doolan said over the weekend that he'd consider selling Knicks, so I wouldn't pin your hopes on them being regular visitors. I feel like he's going to struggle selling the Knicks unless he lumps it in with MSG, I doubt he will do that though as that is the most profitable part of that deal. |
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Post by spaghettihoops on Dec 18, 2018 10:40:34 GMT
I guess the Knicks could benefit from playing exhibition games in other markets but I'd be surprised if they were willing to take regular season games away from MSG, which is arguably the biggest arena draw in the world.
I can see the appeal and benefits of hosting NBA expansion teams in other countries and don't see the scheduling/travel logistics as insurmountable. But it would be a huge undertaking and require huge backing, without any guarantee that it would pay off. I think they'd test the water a bit more first and also see how other sports get on before it's even worth talking about.
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