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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:12:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:27:16 GMT
Yeah it's a bit of a weird one. As you say on a good run.
I know I gave him stick and felt he was out of his depth earlier in the season but he pulled it back. Not sure who you could bring in at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:31:15 GMT
I hear he's left the team to represent Britain in the Clipboard Throwing Championships.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Feb 19, 2019 11:33:24 GMT
Ok this doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Some wont agree but I think the guy was starting to get it - I was highly critical at first but he's started to get wins.
As with any young coach in his first professional job, you surely don't employ him with the expectation of instant success. And he was definitely on an upward trajectory - Rocks had started to turn a corner.
Now got less confidence in the owner than I thought I did. Does he know how sport works?
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Post by MacSporran on Feb 19, 2019 11:34:21 GMT
Ok this doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Some wont agree but I think the guy was starting to get it - I was highly critical at first but he's started to get wins. As with any young coach in his first professional job, you surely don't employ him with the expectation of instant success. And he was definitely on an upward trajectory - Rocks had started to turn a corner. Now got less confidence in the owner than I thought I did. Does he know how sport works? Nope |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:35:39 GMT
Plus he took the team to a Cup Final and almost got us to another before going out at the semi final stage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:45:24 GMT
Plus he took the team to a Cup Final and almost got us to another before going out at the semi final stage. Jonny White got a team to a cup final tbf... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:53:23 GMT
Ok this doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Some wont agree but I think the guy was starting to get it - I was highly critical at first but he's started to get wins. As with any young coach in his first professional job, you surely don't employ him with the expectation of instant success. And he was definitely on an upward trajectory - Rocks had started to turn a corner. Now got less confidence in the owner than I thought I did. Does he know how sport works? He was definitely getting better but he set the standards for himself so low this season that it wasn't a difficult thing to improve on. He's didn't win the Cup, He didn't win the Trophy and would be questionable if he got the team into the playoffs, which even if he did had no chance of wining. The new owner always did say the aim was to win a competition. Maybe he has visions of Roman Abramovich. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:55:40 GMT
Plus he took the team to a Cup Final and almost got us to another before going out at the semi final stage. Jonny White got a team to a cup final tbf... And now hes gone back to coaching in the ACB and Euroleague |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Feb 19, 2019 11:55:47 GMT
If this was 3 months ago when he sat there in an interview and just looked like he had no answers and just wanted the ground to swallow him up - I'd say ok yeah fair dues - he left an awful lot to be desired at that stage.
Since then he took the captaincy off of Achara - one of the most senior players in the country - in what can only be described as a bold move which has seen his productivity go up, he's got Fraser playing the best offensive basketball I've seen him play, Rinkaunas has come in and added a lot energy wise, and he's started to actually win games - first cup final in how long? As well as a semi final appearance (albeit the second leg certainly was very sloppy performance wise but that happens) so whats the problem at this very stage that suggests he's reached his ceiling?
FWIW - I don't think his recruitment helped him at all - the Americans in particular for me aren't near productive enough, and the fact he's not gotten the best out of Murray at all (which isn't all his fault - G has to take some of the blame for that) has been disappointing - especially when he's in the prime of his career.
Who else would want that job now though (I can hear the one name already hence why I've asked "who else")? Seems an extremely scattergun approach from the owner.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Feb 19, 2019 11:59:06 GMT
He's didn't win the Cup, He didn't win the Trophy and would be questionable if he got the team into the playoffs, which even if he did had no chance of wining.
So whats the difference there to previous seasons?
You don't employ a kid in his first job as a pro coach for instant overnight success. If he did, then I'd be worried as a fan.
*Edit - I absolutely cannot HTML.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:59:32 GMT
What about Marc Stuetal, hes not at a club since northumbria left nbl1. Proven good coach, not sure he would do much more than woods or add any value tho
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Post by tonyleopard on Feb 19, 2019 12:06:22 GMT
Robbie Peers
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 12:10:33 GMT
So whats the difference there to previous seasons?
You don't employ a kid in his first job as a pro coach for instant overnight success. If he did, then I'd be worried as a fan.
*Edit - I absolutely cannot HTML.
I didn't get the appointment of Darryl in the first place. I don't see how you go from Sterling Davis to Tony G to a guy that never coached before and judge them all by the same measure. I wonder if Darryl only got the job because the team was better under Tony G and kept things going well after he left/got sacked. Maybe it was a money saving exercise. I'm not sure. It was always going to be a gamble giving a guy his first coaching role in the professional leagues and its a gamble that never paid off. |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Feb 19, 2019 12:35:16 GMT
Does seem strange that from being virtually guaranteed 10 th place ( due to Scorchers and Wolves being even worse), to a team that's been in a final and have managed to get back in the mix for 8 th place then he gets the elbow. Does anyone fancy the job for a dozen or so games with no guarantee that they'll be offered a chance next year. Seeing Achara seems much happier just being a player is this Murrays opportunity to step in or is he keeping his nose out if things ( yes I did mean that).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 12:43:15 GMT
Does seem strange that from being virtually guaranteed 10 th place ( due to Scorchers and Wolves being even worse), to a team that's been in a final and have managed to get back in the mix for 8 th place then he gets the elbow. Does anyone fancy the job for a dozen or so games with no guarantee that they'll be offered a chance next year. Seeing Achara seems much happier just being a player is this Murrays opportunity to step in or is he keeping his nose out if things ( yes I did mean that). I would doubt anyone that hasn't coached before will get a sniff at the job again. Not after this attempt. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 12:46:43 GMT
Surprised about the timibg. Very little opportunity for a coaching change to have much impact at this stage of the season without a complete overhaul of the roster which would be required in the post season. Clearly not targeting an existing bbl coach with track record - so is this the time Achara steps up into an official coaching role?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 12:49:47 GMT
Been on a good run of form recently. However, three defeats in six days, two of which were utterly gutless trophy performances suggest we've probably not turned the corner.
At least it's entertaining.
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Post by fozzie on Feb 19, 2019 12:59:04 GMT
Got to be Andrew Sullivan surely?
Good mates with Achara.
He is (bizzarely given his lack of any coaching background) - assistant GB coach so would be keen to prove he can do so?
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Post by DefyingGravity on Feb 19, 2019 13:00:53 GMT
Seconded for Robbie Peers
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Post by notoriousbigz on Feb 19, 2019 13:06:28 GMT
So whats the difference there to previous seasons?
You don't employ a kid in his first job as a pro coach for instant overnight success. If he did, then I'd be worried as a fan.
*Edit - I absolutely cannot HTML.
I didn't get the appointment of Darryl in the first place. I don't see how you go from Sterling Davis to Tony G to a guy that never coached before and judge them all by the same measure. I wonder if Darryl only got the job because the team was better under Tony G and kept things going well after he left/got sacked. Maybe it was a money saving exercise. I'm not sure. It was always going to be a gamble giving a guy his first coaching role in the professional leagues and its a gamble that never paid off. Agree with this 100%.
If they didn't want a project and wanted the win now attitude - employing Daryl in the first place was madness. The lad would have been better served as an assistant to a proven winner for a sustained period then taking the reigns thereafter.
Like you say, think he got it full time on the back of what happened after Tony G left - because they did do ok (I'd argue not as well as they would have done with Tony but its also not fair to measure an upstart against one of if not the best coach in the league) hence why I think he was let down a lot by his recruiting (or his recruiting committee).
Ultimately yeah, never paid off but I think he was learning. If it was about winning now - stupid to employ him. If it was a rebuild over a few years - it was daft to call time on it at this stage. Ultimately, the management has to accept responsibility for getting it wrong somewhere.
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Post by deeps on Feb 19, 2019 13:06:54 GMT
Surprised about the timibg. Very little opportunity for a coaching change to have much impact at this stage of the season without a complete overhaul of the roster which would be required in the post season. Clearly not targeting an existing bbl coach with track record - so is this the time Achara steps up into an official coaching role? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 13:08:19 GMT
Got to be Andrew Sullivan surely? Good mates with Achara. He is (bizzarely given his lack of any coaching background) - assistant GB coach so would be keen to prove he can do so? Guy with no head coaching experience getting appointed by a club who've just realised they made a **** of it appointing someone with no head coaching experience? |
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Post by deeps on Feb 19, 2019 13:08:41 GMT
Achara has no interest in coaching! None at all. He stated this publically at an event he was the guest speaker at!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 13:10:16 GMT
I think he'd be mad to take up the reigns just now anyway. I wouldn't go as far as to call the Rocks job a poisoned chalice, but it's probably not the best place to cut your teeth as a rookie at the moment.
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