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Post by connors on Feb 22, 2019 16:06:31 GMT
Well I've never seen that before! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/47315530And no I don't mean the BBC covering NCAA Basketball news but the much hyped Zions shoe falling apart after 33 seconds leaving him with a mild knee sprain. Who knows how bad it is but suspect his advisors are currently telling him not to rush back in order to A) Protect his future B)Protect theirs C)Give more momentum to their "conversations" with NIKE. They say there is no such thing as bad publicity but if that is true this must be a marginal case! He's a big lad for sure and apparently, unlike the NBA, NCAA players are expected to wear the same shoes multiple times like the rest of us. Excellent blog by Hersey on this daveballblog.wordpress.com/2019/02/21/would-shoe-believe-it/that raises the question, that many are asking in the US, about how fair the one and done rule is and why do players have to go to college. Well of course the answer is they don't. They could play professionally abroad or even the A,B,C,D,E,F,G league (whatever it is called) apparently. Hersey makes a good point about insuring the players. To a guaranteed NBA prospect like Zion the immediate future looks pretty bright. To throw it all away getting questionable (even at Duke) preparation for his professional career whilst helping line the pockets of the ridiculously wealthy big colleges is not balanced at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 16:29:20 GMT
Nike lost $1bn in value due to the dodgy shoe.
American sports are dumb, hyping up these kids and they're getting $1bn deals. It annoys the hell out of me.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Feb 22, 2019 16:40:39 GMT
Well I've never seen that before! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/47315530And no I don't mean the BBC covering NCAA Basketball news but the much hyped Zions shoe falling apart after 33 seconds leaving him with a mild knee sprain. Who knows how bad it is but suspect his advisors are currently telling him not to rush back in order to A) Protect his future B)Protect theirs C)Give more momentum to their "conversations" with NIKE. They say there is no such thing as bad publicity but if that is true this must be a marginal case! He's a big lad for sure and apparently, unlike the NBA, NCAA players are expected to wear the same shoes multiple times like the rest of us. Excellent blog by Hersey on this daveballblog.wordpress.com/2019/02/21/would-shoe-believe-it/that raises the question, that many are asking in the US, about how fair the one and done rule is and why do players have to go to college. Well of course the answer is they don't. They could play professionally abroad or even the A,B,C,D,E,F,G league (whatever it is called) apparently. Hersey makes a good point about insuring the players. To a guaranteed NBA prospect like Zion the immediate future looks pretty bright. To throw it all away getting questionable (even at Duke) preparation for his professional career whilst helping line the pockets of the ridiculously wealthy big colleges is not balanced at all. Many sportsmen wearing or using branded equipment aren't using the same equipment sold in the shops to real people. I wonder of the trainers he was wearing had been modified in some way to suit him better and hence them "exploding" The tennis players have all sorts of different things on their rackets to the pro rackets you can buy in the shops that look the same and are promoted by the players Cant imagine a trainer that's been through all the testing Nike will put it through "exploding" unless something different had been done to it |
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Post by 2NFR on Feb 22, 2019 16:51:28 GMT
Can't go wrong Sketchers ... Feet on memory foam feels soooo good  |
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Post by SamH on Feb 22, 2019 17:04:03 GMT
Bit of a PR nightmare for Nike! I heard some people shelled out thousands to watch that game and then he only played 33 seconds!
The whole one and done thing is interesting. I remember all the hoohar when they changed it so you had to be 19 to play in the league, now they want to change it back to 18. In cases like Zion, or LeBron ($90M from Nike before he'd even played an NBA game! Bet Zion gets more than that this summer) obviously its a bit different. The change was made to take into consideration all the fringe players who were bombing out and not making it. Hard to say how many players that year in college has made a difference to though, as you still get guys who don't make it now and end up in the G-league or overseas.
In terms of how useful college is, that depends. Back in the day guys usually did 3 or 4 years in college before turning pro. Tim Duncan did 4 years and was finals MVP in his second season. If he comes in at the age of 18 with no college, does he still do that? I don't think so. Duncan had the best fundamentals seen in years, though I don't know how much of that goes on in college these days. Fundamentals now seem to be more about shooting from 30 feet.  Also I don't know if it was 4 years in college that blessed Duncan with his skillset or he just had natural talent. Maybe a bit of both. Where guys need to work on things I always wonder how much they benefit sitting on an NBA bench rather than being out there playing as they would be in college.
Guys can suffer career ending injuries at any time. Greg Oden never had the career he was expected to because of injuries. Jay Williams crashed his motorbike and that was that, before he really got started. As fans we get robbed of watching these great players' careers unfold, and they lose out on millions of dollars, but how many guys have suffered a one off specific injury in a college game that's prevented them from turning pro and cost them at least a rookie contract that was worth a few million? I don't know of any cases, maybe there will be the odd one or two out there. Not to mention 2nd round picks don't get guaranteed contracts anyway.
Anyway I think in the end each individual has to make his own choices and hopefully has good advisors. The not so great players who are looking at being drafted 2nd round should probably go and do a year then see if their stock has risen. Zion could of course already be in the NBA and surely would be if he'd been allowed. And his shoe still might have exploded.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 17:17:47 GMT
The one and done rule is now being reviewed and will likely be obsolete very soon. (Lavar Ball wont get the credit he deserves for this). Blowing out of a shoe is really not that uncommon. Watch lower level stuff where players don't have new shoes for every game (or season) and you'll see it. I've blown through my shoes once before (surprisingly with my luck no serious injury from it)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 18:11:12 GMT
Can't go wrong Sketchers ... Feet on memory foam feels soooo good Yep. 4 pairs. They're great. I wouldn't play in them, though my knees aren't up to walking basketball anyway. Irf is right that they weren't boots you can buy in a shop. Cheers, Connors |
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Post by warewolf on Feb 23, 2019 11:34:18 GMT
"Baldrick I'm off to Hartlepool to buy a pair of exploding trousers"
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Post by connors on Feb 23, 2019 23:48:35 GMT
I will try and find the link but I read they were standard PG2.5 and he’d be wearing the same pair for a number of games.
Doesn’t really matter much but the article that mentioned those facts was actually asking why Duke had not insisted on a personalised pair to suit their stud.
I’m sure that he will be fine and he looks a great prospect. Be good to see him in NBA.
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Post by SamH on Feb 25, 2019 14:20:28 GMT
Yeah he sounds like an exciting prospect, a once in a generation player apparently. I remember seeing highlights of LeBron among all the hype and he looked a bit special - same thing with Zion, his highlight tapes are outstanding. I have visions of the Knicks winning the new format lottery this year (not that it'll be rigged of course!) then snagging a couple of big time free agents on top. Be nice to see the Garden rocking again with a decent product on the floor for the first time in 20 years!
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Post by jimw on Feb 25, 2019 23:10:11 GMT
It was heartening to see Duke not lose at Syracuse at the weekend, despite not having Zion. however it did demonstrate what an exceptional talent he is. Lucky for them that oConnell, not one of their starting 5 normally got hot from downdown in the 2nd half.
As for one-and-done, to my mind (and to many commentators)going to college and working with the likes of Coach K and the others D1 coaches is worthwhile. The Maturing process is important not maybe for the 'once in a generation' players, or as Williamson has been called, "a unicorn amongst unicorns", but for the journeyman profesional - who is going to possibly make the NBA outside the top 5 picks. Or indeed is not going to make the NBA, ut maybe end up in europe or any league.
Where I think it goes wrong is not allowing the kids to make the money, I'm not talking about being paid to play, but shirt signing, appearance money at celeb events, endorsements or advertising. But there's not a penny from off court activities allowed to be given to student athletes. not even put into trust for their 21st birthday.
Yet they generate so much cash for the NCAA, for the the colleges (35 thousand plus at the game at the weekend - and that pales into insignificance when you take into account the TV deals), and for those running the fantasy leagues...
As for March Madness, the betting, the TV time, the pundits... everyone getting rich off the back of these kids, who are risking everything, and they get nothing. But blow out a knee in college and, unless you are "once in a generation", you won't get the lucrative NBA deal either. Just a bunch of guys saying Thanks for the memories.
No, I see nothing wrong with making an 18 year old wait 'til he (or she) is 19 before letting them join the professional ranks - and what better way to wait than go to college? - but not being able to cash in for that year? That's the anomaly that needs sorting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 13:36:50 GMT
It looks like one and done is done, though not for a while. A few thoughts about the whole thing. |
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Also I don't know if it was 4 years in college that blessed Duncan with his skillset or he just had natural talent. Maybe a bit of both. Where guys need to work on things I always wonder how much they benefit sitting on an NBA bench rather than being out there playing as they would be in college. 
