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Post by foxprorawks on Mar 8, 2019 12:04:25 GMT
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Post by notoriousbigz on Mar 8, 2019 12:12:15 GMT
I could be mistaken, but didn't Chuck Evans get sacked for saying white people were holding back basketball (albeit on the court, in his club)?
I kind of feel the title of this overshadows what is a good point made by Shire. Does he say anywhere that powerful white people are holding the sport back? No. Does he say diversity is a problem? Yes, and quite rightly too. But the two things are completely different.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 12:58:34 GMT
Are we surprised that TalkSport misrepresented the comments and dragged it into the gutter?
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Post by notoriousbigz on Mar 8, 2019 13:00:13 GMT
Are we surprised that TalkSport misrepresented the comments and dragged it into the gutter?
Absolutely not. But it doesn't shed the best light at all to an onlooker from the outside when really its just an innocent representation of the truth.
For the league to retweet it.... that's just stupidity.
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Post by foxprorawks on Mar 8, 2019 13:24:39 GMT
Are we surprised that TalkSport misrepresented the comments and dragged it into the gutter?
Absolutely not. But it doesn't shed the best light at all to an onlooker from the outside when really its just an innocent representation of the truth.
For the league to retweet it.... that's just stupidity.
That was the point I was making about the BBL. Unbelievable. And it wasn't a retweet - this was their own original tweet - which is arguably worse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 13:47:58 GMT
Shire is right. I'd only disagree that it's more about social class and money than race/colour. We should promote the game as being accessible to everyone rather than worrying about colour. We've already won that one. Where he go wrong was speaking to Talk S hit. But then I guess No one else asked him.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Mar 8, 2019 13:52:31 GMT
His arguments are right as far as I'm concerned. It's criminal that basketball doesn't receive more support, especially when you compare it to the sports that do get large amounts of funding, e.g. rowing. I have never met anyone who rows competitively. It's the preserve of public schools.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Mar 8, 2019 14:35:47 GMT
Absolutely not. But it doesn't shed the best light at all to an onlooker from the outside when really its just an innocent representation of the truth.
For the league to retweet it.... that's just stupidity.
That was the point I was making about the BBL. Unbelievable. And it wasn't a retweet - this was their own original tweet - which is arguably worse.
Agree mate 100%.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 15:16:41 GMT
I don't disagree with any of the above, but allow me to play devil's advocate. If you were UK sport or any other body that dishes out funding would *you* give our governing bodies any money at all?
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Post by notoriousbigz on Mar 8, 2019 15:19:07 GMT
I don't disagree with any of the above, but allow me to play devil's advocate. If you were UK sport or any other body that dishes out funding would *you* give our governing bodies any money at all? N TO THE MOTHER FUDGING O.
No no no no, no no no no.
No.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
To be clear. No.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 15:36:28 GMT
I totally get what Nhamo Shire is saying, but until we stop self harming I don't see how things will change.
If we had more money we absolutely could use it to do great things. There are plenty of ways that it could be spent wonderfully. Question is... would we? Why would anyone give money to a game that's run by, by and large, a bunch of complete arseholes?
We need to get ourselves to a point where the only issue on the table is one of colour/social class/diversity (appreciate that everyone may see it slightly differently). If we can get to that point then it becomes more difficult for potential funders to say no without looking horribly narrow-minded or prejudiced. Until that time comes all we're doing is giving funding organisations an easy out. It's all to easy for a funding organisation to turn around and say "You have serious governance and organisational issues. You're too high risk to fund".
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Post by number23 on Mar 8, 2019 17:50:28 GMT
All of this, and a side order of what Bigz is serving in the post above.
Whatever the reasons for the funding bias, it won’t be addressed if those in charge of the sport keep handing out ammunition to shoot themselves down with.
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Post by 2NFR on Mar 8, 2019 18:05:57 GMT
Sad thing is, GB actually have a half decent squad that can compete at European level. The old WW1 phrase "Lions led by Donkeys" comes to mind
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Post by youngrocks on Mar 8, 2019 18:45:43 GMT
Basketball in this country hss too many people protecting their piece of the cake. Very few care about whats gappening in london to the midlands to the north if england to Scotland. The fact the hc came together is a shock but again its too keep their individual land theirs.
Gb could be decent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 6:01:14 GMT
UK sport is distributing limited amounts of public money, and has a policy of focusing on sports that will produce medals at major championships. It has a responsibility to ensure the funds that are distributed go to organisations that have a proper management structure and are well managed, so that the funding provided is used properly and efficiently. Can we honestly say that, as currently run, Basketball meets those criteria? Also, is attacking other sports the best strategy to attract funding? Surely it would be better to run the sport properly and promote the positive aspects of the sport. What is the GB Basketball doing to attract genuine commercial backing for the sport? Other sports have varying amounts of commercial backing so they are not totally dependent on the public purse. Why is Basketball not doing the same? Do GB Basketball have a detailed demographic information of the basketball community? Why are they not using this information to promote the commercial benefits to companies selling to that demographic area the commercial benefits of backing the sport?
To succeed the sport, and its governing bodies, need to :- a) improve its management structures and operation, b) make changes so that the sport and the national teams programs are attractive to commercial sponsorship c) market the sport properly, so that it becomes an attractive, positive & viable option for companies to spend their marketing budgets d) change the mentality of those involved in the sport from depending only on public funding.
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Post by and3 on Mar 10, 2019 0:35:58 GMT
Basketball got a huge amount of funding for outdoor baskets all around the UK. A few people at the top of EBBA (then) benefited along with some friends. However, these courts were/are rarely used. I won't even comment on the BS the people at the top of basketball delivered to get funding for the national team to get an Olympic medal/s. Like all funding, basketball has to compete and make good use of funds. It seems to me that funding has always been squandered by whoever is in power white or black. Indeed, when one black person was in charge, she made sure she got an OBE for herself and not much else! So the white vs black debate doesn't put funding on the table or use the funding properly even if it gets on the table. Nhamo can complain, but until people turn up for committee meetings and cast votes, the same ol' same ol' will continue. Has anyone put together a proper business case for funding? For example, with all the outdoor courts already in place, it seems to me that funding might be granted to provide coverings/a roof for many of those courts and access to public lighting at night time. This would make those court's usable during the basketball season/winter months. That might be a start.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 10:59:10 GMT
The CEO of Basketball England was on BBC Radio's Sportsweek program this morning, the main point of his appearance was to ask for more public funding.
No thought of stating how valuable investing in the sport would be to commercial sponsors, just a reliance on public funding.
Watching the Six Nations rugby coverage on both BBC & ITV yesterday, it was interesting to see how many commercial partners the Rugby Unions had in place, for a sport with lower participation levels. Rugby, like many other sports, has learnt to develop links with commercial organisations where both the sport and the commercial partner benefit. Why aren't the management of GB Basketball and Basketball England, etc, not doing this?
For our sport to grow, those involved, especially the senior management of GB Basketball etc have to change their mindset from dependence on public funding. For th
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Post by ballerman on Mar 10, 2019 11:26:43 GMT
The CEO of Basketball England was on BBC Radio's Sportsweek program this morning, the main point of his appearance was to ask for more public funding. No thought of stating how valuable investing in the sport would be to commercial sponsors, just a reliance on public funding. Watching the Six Nations rugby coverage on both BBC & ITV yesterday, it was interesting to see how many commercial partners the Rugby Unions had in place, for a sport with lower participation levels. Rugby, like many other sports, has learnt to develop links with commercial organisations where both the sport and the commercial partner benefit. Why aren't the management of GB Basketball and Basketball England, etc, not doing this? For our sport to grow, those involved, especially the senior management of GB Basketball etc have to change their mindset from dependence on public funding. For th www.hoopsfix.com/2019/03/bbf-faces-backlash-after-banning-independent-filming-of-gb-games/You couldn't make it up
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 11:57:07 GMT
Contrast that to the many hours of coverage around the six nations games, with the host broadcaster filming lots of feature content to show in the build up to games, the post game analysis, and the actual game coverage using multiple camera angles, on screen graphics and ingame replays.
Single camera coverage isn't an acceptable standard now, and indeed hasn't been for many years.
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Post by number23 on Jun 13, 2019 20:08:54 GMT
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Post by youngrocks on Jun 13, 2019 20:27:46 GMT
Absolutely crazy.
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Post by sharkfan on Jun 14, 2019 6:33:01 GMT
Wheres Amaechi when you need him ? He was doing the right things 20 years ago with his centre, and its still going Whatever happened to the Mallin review too ?? Info is there
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jun 14, 2019 6:56:53 GMT
Is it not simply now time for the media to boycott GB games entirely until this ridiculous farce calling themselves an "organization" change their ways?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 12:39:57 GMT
I'd agree Bigz. Asking for media and giving them my work away to them for free. Sorry but no thanks. The BBF need to rethink this stupidity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 18:49:16 GMT
They're clueless. If they had any idea they'd simply ask nicely for a couple of freebies. They'd get enough, even if some would say no. I'd still do stuff for them if they asked - because it's my national team - but their heads are so firmly up their own ar$es it'll never happen.
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