Skytree95
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Post by Skytree95 on Jun 2, 2019 18:46:25 GMT
Now we're in the fallow season and not much Basketball to look forward to until September (Well, not BBL for me as I've just got a job in Sweden so I'm now an Eagles fan overseas!)
One question I always ask myself is whether we'll see any franchises disappear or if any new ones come out of the woodwork, Royals came out of nowhere last year and whether we'll see a repeat this summer.
Do you think Worthing will take the step up once again?
Will Donald Sampley actually do anything with that "East Scotland" franchise?
Will Basketball Wales execs get their heads out of the sand and actually do something productive by realising they're a part of British Basketball?
I'd love to hear your thoughts!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 18:59:53 GMT
Not sure on Worthing
Can't see the Warriors thing taking off, it'd be nice to have more Scottish teams but perhaps it should be an already establish team like Edinburgh Kings or Falkirk Fury but can't see it and games against them would be like a training session as seen in the Trophy
As for Wales see the above re Trophy, besides that though they seem happy to be on their own but all 4 corners need to be involved, why not get Belfast & Dublin involved as well.
I'd love to see newer teams though
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 19:28:29 GMT
As much as I'd love to see more teams I dont think any of the 3 you mention will happen. The next step up from NBL1 I think will be solent and I cant see that happening either.
Is all well and good saying Wales should enter a team but ita a club that would need to field it. Outside of the Welsh local leagues what's the highest NBL side, div 3? Just not a reality at the moment.
I do like the idea of Belfast and Dublin, the Irish league is a step down from the bbl so would be interesting to see them join in. They certainly have ambitions, they entered a Europe cup team 2/3 seasons ago
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Post by baldereagle on Jun 4, 2019 6:54:09 GMT
I’d love to see Belfast in the BBL - the only British sport i’m aware they’re fully integrated into is ice hockey, despite the away fan travel problems.
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Post by gloryeagle on Jun 4, 2019 10:25:22 GMT
I’d love to see Belfast in the BBL - the only British sport i’m aware they’re fully integrated into is ice hockey, despite the away fan travel problems. And Rugby Union. They play in the Pro14. |
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Post by raiders92 on Jun 4, 2019 10:42:15 GMT
What about reading? They've wanted to join the party for years?
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 4, 2019 10:59:39 GMT
I’d love to see Belfast in the BBL - the only British sport i’m aware they’re fully integrated into is ice hockey, despite the away fan travel problems. That's going to be an expensive franchise to run with all the flights and travel logistics for them to deal with |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 11:17:26 GMT
Yeah, Ulster
I just think that we should be trying to get all 4 Home Nations plus Republic of Ireland and make our league name more relevant, BBL doesn't fit the current setup. It feels more like the ASBL or Anglo-Scottish Basketball League.
Having Belfast & Cardiff would make the League feel British and the future addition of Dublin whilst not pary of Great Britain would create a sporting rivalry with their Northern neighbours. Yeah there's a lot of logistics to be solves but you could reintroduce a Conference system.
Archibald Conference
Belfast
Dublin
Glasgow
Newcastle
Sullivan Conference
Cheshire
Leicester
Manchester
Sheffield
Nurse Conference
Bristol
Cardiff
London City
London Lions
Surrey
Plymouth
The only way for the Conference system in this scenario to work would be for either the 2 London clubs to merge or by adding an additional team to each of the other 2 Conferences like Edinburgh in the Archibald Conference and Nottingham in the Sullivan Conference
You might be wonder why I chose the names of the Conferences
Archibald in honour of Robert Archibald a Scot born in Paisley who played in the NBA and is so far the only one to have done so to the best of my knowledge, I couldn't remember his first name though and had to Google it, my memory isn't as good as it once was.
Sullivan in honour of Drew Sullivan, former Captain of Great Britain and a great for Leicester Riders who was a 2x BBL MVP, 1x BBL Cup MVP & 3x BBL Trophy MVP
Nurse in honour of Nick Nurse, former BBL coach and currently masterminding a Robbery of the NBA Title from the United States and taking it to Canada. While he hasn't coached any of the teams in this Conference he did coach in London with the Towers and so felt he should be recognised
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 4, 2019 11:29:48 GMT
Yeah, Ulster I just think that we should be trying to get all 4 Home Nations plus Republic of Ireland and make our league name more relevant, BBL doesn't fit the current setup. It feels more like the ASBL or Anglo-Scottish Basketball League. Having Belfast & Cardiff would make the League feel British and the future addition of Dublin whilst not pary of Great Britain would create a sporting rivalry with their Northern neighbours. Yeah there's a lot of logistics to be solves but you could reintroduce a Conference system. Archibald Conference Belfast Dublin Glasgow Newcastle Sullivan Conference Cheshire Leicester Manchester Sheffield Nurse Conference Bristol London City London Lions Surrey Plymouth The only way for the Conference system in this scenario to work would be for either the 2 London clubs to merge or by adding an additional team to each of the other 2 Conferences like Edinburgh in the Archibald Conference and Nottingham in the Sullivan Conference You might be wonder why I chose the names of the Conferences Archibald in honour of Robert Archibald a Scot born in Paisley who played in the NBA and is so far the only one to have done so to the best of my knowledge, I couldn't remember his first name though and had to Google it, my memory isn't as good as it once was. Sullivan in honour of Drew Sullivan, former Captain of Great Britain and a great for Leicester Riders who was a 2x BBL MVP, 1x BBL Cup MVP & 3x BBL Trophy MVP Nurse in honour of Nick Nurse, former BBL coach and currently masterminding a Robbery of the NBA Title from the United States and taking it to Canada. While he hasn't coached any of the teams in this Conference he did coach in London with the Towers and so felt he should be recognised You mentioned Cardiff but then didn't give them a conference? Also that's a lot of new travelling expenses for Newcastle and Rocks as well |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 11:39:44 GMT
Yeah, my mistake, Cardiff would go into the Nurse Conference
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 11:51:07 GMT
Due to the addition of Cardiff it would mean the two London clubs having to merge.
Or again to solve the issue you add 2 more teams
Falkirk & a Sunderland based team in Archibald
Barnsley & Hull based teams in Sullivan
It can work, yes there'd be increased travel costs but what if the League had a travel company as a Title sponsor for the league that could work in conjunction with the teams to ease the burden of financial costs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 17:34:18 GMT
Oh Jeez, it's happening again. Imaginary basketball teams are being invented to make an imaginary league set-up work. And as a further development, two of the most successful franchises in 18/19 are being merged to make it work. And we have an imaginary sponsor to help things out. This reminds me of the rather odd non-league football forum I go onto where groundhoppers who don't support a club suggest L1, L2 & Conference merge and go regional to save the ozone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 19:01:24 GMT
Well if you think we should keep the Anglo-Scottish Basketball League as is then so be it.
It's not as bad an idea as you seem to think it is.
The league needs a shake up, it needs to evolve. Compared to the EIHL the BBL doesn't have 4 countries represented and it's sad there seems to be a disconnect.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 21:01:01 GMT
I'm not fussed about the Anglo-Scottish Basketball League if that's the only thing that's viable. The BBL doesn't have 4 (or five, pretty sure there's two parts of Ireland) countries partly because there's only three constituent countries. Northern Ireland has never been part of British basketball. Meanwhile Wales has barely ever managed a second tier club, if there was an appetite for the pro game they might have got at least close.
But, at least London's going to be allowed to keep both its pro clubs if Barnsley - that hotbed of basketball who's biggest team appear to Barnsley Leaders U-16s - also gets a franchise.
I can't see how this could fail
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 22:55:52 GMT
Well if a new team with the right backing like London City Royals can come into the BBL and succeed then there's hope that any team in any City with the right backing can come into the League and be a success.
Yeah we've had a few farcical periods with the Knights & Force in places that have strong sporting backgrounds but the backing just wasn't there for Birmingham Knights and Leeds came up through the EBL and in the end it didn't work out.
In fact, I'll go you one better. Man City, the Treble winners. They weren't always successful and at one point were bouncing around the lower leagues of English football. Then 2008 comes along, Man City get bought over by a billionaire from the UAE and have only since then been relevant. Winning multiple Premier League titles but have yet to reach a Champions League Final.
Ok, I don't expect that kind of backing for any side in this country, unless the Giants are taken over by Man City's owner and rebranded as the Manchester City Giants and playing in sky blue and then given finances to be able to rise up the BBL standings.
You know, I had one idea that I was actually mocked for on another forum but this one has actually came to fruition. I said that for Overtime in Ice Hockey in the EIHL that it should be 3 vs 3 OT, one user said it wouldn't happen, well who was right in the end.
ME!!! That's right, the guy with a crappy plan was actually right for once. Plus you can't knock an idea unless you give things a try. That's the last I'll be saying on this thread.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 5, 2019 5:58:01 GMT
Well if a new team with the right backing like London City Royals can come into the BBL and succeed then there's hope that any team in any City with the right backing can come into the League and be a success. Yeah we've had a few farcical periods with the Knights & Force in places that have strong sporting backgrounds but the backing just wasn't there for Birmingham Knights and Leeds came up through the EBL and in the end it didn't work out. In fact, I'll go you one better. Man City, the Treble winners. They weren't always successful and at one point were bouncing around the lower leagues of English football. Then 2008 comes along, Man City get bought over by a billionaire from the UAE and have only since then been relevant. Winning multiple Premier League titles but have yet to reach a Champions League Final. Ok, I don't expect that kind of backing for any side in this country, unless the Giants are taken over by Man City's owner and rebranded as the Manchester City Giants and playing in sky blue and then given finances to be able to rise up the BBL standings. You know, I had one idea that I was actually mocked for on another forum but this one has actually came to fruition. I said that for Overtime in Ice Hockey in the EIHL that it should be 3 vs 3 OT, one user said it wouldn't happen, well who was right in the end. ME!!! That's right, the guy with a crappy plan was actually right for once. Plus you can't knock an idea unless you give things a try. That's the last I'll be saying on this thread. Ideas are good Reality bites though. It's one thing having ideas to improve things that actually exist to be improved. It's another having ideas about what would be good in an ideal world where things don't even exist Your ideas would be great I'm sure but in the real world we only have what we have to work with Don't take it personally |
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Post by gmoir on Jun 5, 2019 11:54:30 GMT
Yeah, Ulster I just think that we should be trying to get all 4 Home Nations plus Republic of Ireland and make our league name more relevant, BBL doesn't fit the current setup. It feels more like the ASBL or Anglo-Scottish Basketball League. Having Belfast & Cardiff would make the League feel British and the future addition of Dublin whilst not pary of Great Britain would create a sporting rivalry with their Northern neighbours. Yeah there's a lot of logistics to be solves but you could reintroduce a Conference system. Archibald Conference Belfast Dublin Glasgow Newcastle Sullivan Conference Cheshire Leicester Manchester Sheffield Nurse Conference Bristol London City London Lions Surrey Plymouth The only way for the Conference system in this scenario to work would be for either the 2 London clubs to merge or by adding an additional team to each of the other 2 Conferences like Edinburgh in the Archibald Conference and Nottingham in the Sullivan Conference You might be wonder why I chose the names of the Conferences Archibald in honour of Robert Archibald a Scot born in Paisley who played in the NBA and is so far the only one to have done so to the best of my knowledge, I couldn't remember his first name though and had to Google it, my memory isn't as good as it once was. Sullivan in honour of Drew Sullivan, former Captain of Great Britain and a great for Leicester Riders who was a 2x BBL MVP, 1x BBL Cup MVP & 3x BBL Trophy MVP Nurse in honour of Nick Nurse, former BBL coach and currently masterminding a Robbery of the NBA Title from the United States and taking it to Canada. While he hasn't coached any of the teams in this Conference he did coach in London with the Towers and so felt he should be recognised You mentioned Cardiff but then didn't give them a conference? Also that's a lot of new travelling expenses for Newcastle and Rocks as well Have Wolves been banished to the NBL in this proposed format? |
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Post by connors on Jun 5, 2019 13:00:37 GMT
Yup. I can understand Herseys slightly cynical and jaded view because, unlike most of us, he actually runs a national league team and has a much better understanding of the realities of the situation. I'd be the same I'm sure.
Does not mean your ideas are not interesting to read!
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Post by edware on Jun 5, 2019 14:44:30 GMT
What about reading? They've wanted to join the party for years? I believe venue issues are preventing Reading making the step up. The BBL don't like Rivermead and the Rockets haven't found a suitable alternative. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 17:20:16 GMT
Well if a new team with the right backing like London City Royals can come into the BBL and succeed then there's hope that any team in any City with the right backing can come into the League and be a success. Yeah we've had a few farcical periods with the Knights & Force in places that have strong sporting backgrounds but the backing just wasn't there for Birmingham Knights and Leeds came up through the EBL and in the end it didn't work out. In fact, I'll go you one better. Man City, the Treble winners. They weren't always successful and at one point were bouncing around the lower leagues of English football. Then 2008 comes along, Man City get bought over by a billionaire from the UAE and have only since then been relevant. Winning multiple Premier League titles but have yet to reach a Champions League Final. Ok, I don't expect that kind of backing for any side in this country, unless the Giants are taken over by Man City's owner and rebranded as the Manchester City Giants and playing in sky blue and then given finances to be able to rise up the BBL standings. You know, I had one idea that I was actually mocked for on another forum but this one has actually came to fruition. I said that for Overtime in Ice Hockey in the EIHL that it should be 3 vs 3 OT, one user said it wouldn't happen, well who was right in the end. ME!!! That's right, the guy with a crappy plan was actually right for once. Plus you can't knock an idea unless you give things a try. That's the last I'll be saying on this thread. We'll see how long Royals last. It's not like no other side have chucked money at a side for a short period of time before giving up. It's also London. Much as many people don't like the place (including me, the former London Leopards GM), it has a certain something that other places don't.
I'm pleased you acknowledge most new start-up sides in the BBL have been utter clusterfux. Do you think Barnsley will be any better, and if so, why? Bit of reading for you daveballblog.wordpress.com/2017/06/
Man City didn't really  around the lower leagues. They spent two years in the third tier, they got promoted out of it before the money arrived and have spent more years in the top flight than the second. They were only bought by the Arabs because their stadium presented an opportunity that was close to unique, The only comparable thing in basketball was the Copper Box and Lions. I can't see that happening again, certainly not at multiple venues.
Well done on "your" idea with ice hockey. It wasn't quite the same as finding people willing to fund the new Barnsley franchise.
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