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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 6:43:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 7:01:14 GMT
Nice to see him back in the league but I will miss his arguments with Zaire Taylor on twitter
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 7:03:44 GMT
I'm told the face to face ones where even more entertaining
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Post by youngrocks on Aug 15, 2019 7:17:36 GMT
Always liked nick lewis and looked a resl prospect when at the gb u20 level with dvo. Is he a player who maybe hasnt reached his potential and has a point to prove
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Post by interestedridersfan on Aug 15, 2019 7:25:26 GMT
Average signing. But I guess he is a signing that continues to strengthen their bench
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Post by sharkball on Aug 15, 2019 7:57:41 GMT
Atiba wanted a deeper bench....well we now have signed 6...possibly 7 (Koch) bench players!
Another distinctly underwhelming signing. What next Zach Gachette and/or Colin Sing!
Lewis has always had a potential but never proved he can play in a structure. Hevwas bounced around the lower leagues and never pushed on at all. I am not even sure he is BBL standard. Maybe he can play 10-15 minutes a game to spell the two starting guards and might give us a bit of scoring and an upgrade on Hanson Young.
Don't worry the 3/4 starters will be announced soon...
What we only have 2 slots left?
Seriously it is all a bit odd. We did want more depth but the 2 signings we have made this week are clearly reserves and we have now signed 8 players so when we finally reveal the last 2 starters..least we are saving the best announcements to last..we are still one starter down.
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Post by dyb dyb on Aug 15, 2019 8:13:34 GMT
Always liked Nick and have chatted away from Basketball.
Nevertheless I am surprised to see him sign for us again, especially after a discussion I was involved in about this time 2 years ago. Perhaps time is a healer.
Not too sure what role Nick will play perhaps the scoring replacement for Alexander. Nick ain't as quick on his feet but he can go to the basket and shoot a 3.
Real mixture with the 2 guards that we have already who you would expect would want court time and then there is Sedale. Think the bench might have a seat with his name on it and we won't be seeing much of him. Dead minutes only.
A wing man and foward missing? At least another scorer.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Aug 16, 2019 7:48:23 GMT
Really not sure where Sedale fits into things. Didn't impress or shine when at Phoenix, perhaps he has been signed as a reserve for the reserves?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 10:57:06 GMT
This reminds me a little of a manager Stortford FC had a couple of years ago. We had a ludicrously low budget, but he wanted a deep squad. So instead of signing a reasonable right back, he signed two who were never going to be up to the standard required. We were crap. He was sacked by mid-October (obviously that's not going to happen at Sharks, he appears to have a job for life).
A deep bench is great if you can afford it. But getting a decent starting five, plus a reasonable back-up guard and forward need to be the priority. Those seven will win or lose you games. Anyone after the main 8 or 9 is irrelevant 99% of the time.
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Post by dyb dyb on Aug 16, 2019 12:29:58 GMT
I've said time and time again over the last few years; since around the days of BJ that we have had a very competitive starting 5 that could do well against any other starters in the league. They can and have given many a scare, the issue as always been our bench or the strength of the opposing teams' bench.
Our starters could or would be in a good position only to be either get into foul trouble, be fouled out or simply rested for a few minutes to catch their breaths. Whilst, firstly Newcastle, then Leicester, now Lions and others have a much deeper bench and can rest their starters pretty much like for like and that is where the Sharks lose out. Look at the criticism and the stats that our bench got last season. At times we were totally outscored and even didn't offer any scores.
So the idea this season is to go deeper.
We've not got the biggest budget in the league therefore there might or will have to be some sacrifices made to the strength of the starting 5.
A very fine balancing act.
It's no good building a stronger bench that it is going to weaken the starting 5 so much that they will not be able to compete.
At this point we still have 2 positions to fill. Time will tell whether Atiba has got his balancing act right or not. These 2 slots could make a massive difference one way or another.
No doubt after the first weekend or even the first game a number of shark 'fans' will be informing us on how Atiba has recruited poorly and that we are doomed.
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Post by Colicab85 on Aug 16, 2019 14:04:04 GMT
I've said time and time again over the last few years; since around the days of BJ that we have had a very competitive starting 5 that could do well against any other starters in the league. They can and have given many a scare, the issue as always been our bench or the strength of the opposing teams' bench. Our starters could or would be in a good position only to be either get into foul trouble, be fouled out or simply rested for a few minutes to catch their breaths. Whilst, firstly Newcastle, then Leicester, now Lions and others have a much deeper bench and can rest their starters pretty much like for like and that is where the Sharks lose out. Look at the criticism and the stats that our bench got last season. At times we were totally outscored and even didn't offer any scores. So the idea this season is to go deeper. We've not got the biggest budget in the league therefore there might or will have to be some sacrifices made to the strength of the starting 5. A very fine balancing act. It's no good building a stronger bench that it is going to weaken the starting 5 so much that they will not be able to compete. At this point we still have 2 positions to fill. Time will tell whether Atiba has got his balancing act right or not. These 2 slots could make a massive difference one way or another. No doubt after the first weekend or even the first game a number of shark 'fans' will be informing us on how Atiba has recruited poorly and that we are doomed. If hes recruited a terrible team again, then absolutely I will. And if that team doesn't run plays and runs around like headless chicken, then he deserves it. |
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Post by dyb dyb on Aug 16, 2019 19:11:30 GMT
I've said time and time again over the last few years; since around the days of BJ that we have had a very competitive starting 5 that could do well against any other starters in the league. They can and have given many a scare, the issue as always been our bench or the strength of the opposing teams' bench. Our starters could or would be in a good position only to be either get into foul trouble, be fouled out or simply rested for a few minutes to catch their breaths. Whilst, firstly Newcastle, then Leicester, now Lions and others have a much deeper bench and can rest their starters pretty much like for like and that is where the Sharks lose out. Look at the criticism and the stats that our bench got last season. At times we were totally outscored and even didn't offer any scores. So the idea this season is to go deeper. We've not got the biggest budget in the league therefore there might or will have to be some sacrifices made to the strength of the starting 5. A very fine balancing act. It's no good building a stronger bench that it is going to weaken the starting 5 so much that they will not be able to compete. At this point we still have 2 positions to fill. Time will tell whether Atiba has got his balancing act right or not. These 2 slots could make a massive difference one way or another. No doubt after the first weekend or even the first game a number of shark 'fans' will be informing us on how Atiba has recruited poorly and that we are doomed. If hes recruited a terrible team again, then absolutely I will. And if that team doesn't run plays and runs around like headless chicken, then he deserves it. Fair enough and I'd have to agree however my comment was aimed at 2 or 3 others who remain quiet when sharks win but come out looking for Atiba's head when they lose. |
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Post by scb1986 on Aug 19, 2019 18:30:12 GMT
Where has it actually been said that we will be filling out the other two spots with starters? I think they will maybe bring in another import to play the 2 spot but I think they will leave the other spot open. It’s looking like a very poor and lopsided roster so far. I’ll reserve judgement but as it stands I don’t see where the points are going to come from.
Way I see it right now:
McKnight
Import
Ndiaye
Marsden
Koch
Bench
Tuck
Lewis
Sedale
Backovic
(A young Brit)
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Post by sharkball on Aug 20, 2019 21:33:46 GMT
If that is the line up with just one starter more to come (surely has to be 2 or 3 more starters) then even if the import was Alexander/Williams standard then that team is not making the playoffs and will struggle to win many games. Where are the points coming from and we have no shooting at all?
As the post above alludes...it is guesswork....but looks one of the weakest Sharks teams maybe ever.
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Post by dazzle on Aug 21, 2019 8:03:28 GMT
There seems to be the opinion at this stage the sharks team is missing scoring ability in terms of a volume scorer.This does not mean that the sharks will not be competitive for me. Leicester have been without this really for a few years. Maybe with the team not being focussed around 1/2 individuals it will help team cohesion and maybe they will be less predictable. Next signing or 2 determine a sombre 6/7 finish or top 4.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Aug 21, 2019 12:35:14 GMT
There seems to be the opinion at this stage the sharks team is missing scoring ability in terms of a volume scorer.This does not mean that the sharks will not be competitive for me. Leicester have been without this really for a few years. Maybe with the team not being focussed around 1/2 individuals it will help team cohesion and maybe they will be less predictable. Next signing or 2 determine a sombre 6/7 finish or top 4. Disagree re: Riders.
Tim Williams, JR Holder, Pierre Hampton, Trayvonn Wright, DeAndre Burnett, Wayne Martin, Tyler Bernardini, Brandon Clark, Taylor King, Neil Watson, Andrew Sullivan and even going back further Anthony Rowe have all been capable of being volume scorers in this league. Its the system that prevents them. Its a share the ball type of offence.
I don't see that at all with Sheffield. They literally have about 3 capable scorers year on year and ride their hands, they don't have a system where the ball gets shared.
At present I don't know where a consistent score is coming from.
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Post by dazzle on Aug 21, 2019 12:57:09 GMT
I never said Leicester hadn't had people being capable of being volume scorers it's just they never really used them in that way. Maybe and I say maybe atiba might be want to change the system to be more like Leicester. Who knows
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Post by notoriousbigz on Aug 21, 2019 13:34:59 GMT
That's the difference though - Leicester don't use them in that way whereas Sheffield couldn't if they wanted to at present.
They need a lot more fire power if they're to make playoffs this year.
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Post by dyb dyb on Aug 23, 2019 10:39:19 GMT
Where has it actually been said that we will be filling out the other two spots with starters? I think they will maybe bring in another import to play the 2 spot but I think they will leave the other spot open. It’s looking like a very poor and lopsided roster so far. I’ll reserve judgement but as it stands I don’t see where the points are going to come from. Way I see it right now: McKnight Import Ndiaye Marsden Koch Bench Tuck Lewis Sedale Backovic (A young Brit) It's not been said anywhere. Just people that's disappointed with what looks like (guess work) what might be the starters plus the adjudged lack of a scoring threat. This just leads to people saying any additions need to be starters/scorers |
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Post by dyb dyb on Aug 23, 2019 10:46:31 GMT
Until we see the team play together, how the team plays, there are too many unknowns, guess work.
We play Surrey and Newscastle home and away as friendlies, the away game not too long before the start of the season. I'll reserve any judgements until then as games against Newscastle should be a good barometer.
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Post by sharkball on Aug 23, 2019 14:19:38 GMT
That's the thing though...other than 2 untested and untried BBL rookies (hope they work out) it is not many unknowns. It is 5 of the team that were very up and down last year and the 2 best players and leading scorers have departed.
It is a team of role players Ndiaye, Lewis, McKnight, Marsden, Tuck are all steady players but none will give you 15ppg barely 12ppg and none are particularly consistent shooters or scorers really. Hanson Young and Backovic are just bench players who should not really be near a BBL roster.
If they sign a 6-7 to 6-9 GB /Euro player who can score inside (Koch is not a dominant inside scored looking at his college and limited pro career) then I may have more hope...they could then have the 4 new players + McKnight starting and a bench of Marsden, Lewis, Tuck which would be more balanced and give us hope. If the last slot is just a fill in...then I dont know where the points are coming from.
At least this year we have signed more height in the wing positions and wont start with two small guards assuming it will be McKnight, Cashew and Ndiaye in the 1-3 slots. If Marsden and Koch start that's a very slow immobile front line though and we will have to play a lot in the half court and we have no consistent shooters. Alexander and Dirk were our main outside threats. This has not been replaced.
We will see but it looks a weak roster to me...a bit deeper than last year but lots more players who are average is not better than 2 really good ones, 3 average and no real bench.
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