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Post by stevetheballer on Sept 13, 2019 6:06:32 GMT
Think it’s more on the player side regarding Mitchell from what I have heard than the club.
Yes been lack of information from the club regarding it which will hopefully change soon and they let us know what is happening.
But again from what I have heard, and again might not be true so don’t want to say something and it could be wrong but maybe the player has been the problem.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 13, 2019 6:08:13 GMT
I really think all clubs have been poor this summer. Maybe the only exceptions are surrey and bristol You are talking about lack of communication? |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Sept 13, 2019 9:15:46 GMT
I really think all clubs have been poor this summer. Maybe the only exceptions are surrey and bristol Clubs need to improve their social media output otherwise some fans will lose interest. I was chatting with a photography model and asked why she posted so many images/video clips etc on Instagram and she said if she doesn't then her following diminishes fairly quickly. That may be because there are lots of other models who will post regularly whereas with basketball I wouldn't switch to Sharks just because my club wasn't maintaining its output - except Riders do realise the importance of communication. Nevertheless, it's frustrating to see so little from some clubs and it's even more puzzling when we are all aware just how fragile the BBL is in terms of club viability. The word fan may derive from fanatic but many wouldn't see themselves as fanatics so more needs to be done to keep them on board and shelling out cash for tickets/merchandise. |
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Post by D44 on Sept 13, 2019 11:42:38 GMT
I might be being pessimistic but surely if Mitchell was coming he'd be here by now. Our first 'competitive' game is next week. Real shame as he looked perfect for the team and the BBL.
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Post by connors on Sept 13, 2019 11:57:30 GMT
I can only imagine that the lack of communication at most BBL clubs is largely driven by them being in a constant state of flux all summer! So many unknowns that they are concerned about giving information that proves then to be wrong etc. Also I would imagine most BBL clubs are very thin on resources off the court.
Mitchel looked really promising. If its fallen through after the announcement thats really troubling....
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Post by D44 on Sept 13, 2019 12:28:01 GMT
Latest news article on the Eagles website say Mitchell might not be signing due to personal issues.
Sade Hussein is injured too. So back to Darius being our only big man again 🙄
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 13, 2019 12:56:30 GMT
Latest news article on the Eagles website say Mitchell might not be signing due to personal issues. Sade Hussein is injured too. So back to Darius being our only big man again 🙄 Luckily 10 cup games or so to get things sorted and you can afford the odd loss or two in Amongst them Assuming it's the league that means the most to the team A club like eagles it should be |
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Post by minty on Sept 14, 2019 16:45:21 GMT
John Mitchell is finally here
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Post by unclejeff on Sept 18, 2019 9:17:22 GMT
Ok, perhaps I shouldn't comment on here given my position in The Club but there really is some tosh spoken and recorded on the boards. Not just about the Eagles but other Clubs as well. As a former fan only I yearned for news from The Club and felt uneasy at times when there was none. However, when you get on the inside you begin to understand what goes on and what needs to be said and when.
This preseason at Eagles has been a unique one as they now, thankfully, have their own Arena and all the associated things that comes with running that. It sometimes means other priorities take place and have to be dealt with. Eagles staff and hierarchy are on a massive learning curve at the moment and that is perhaps reflected in the way the preseason news has been dealt with this time.
Plus, like nearly every other Club, there have been issues with permits and official paperwork brought about by changes to the rules. Have a good look around and see how many Clubs are missing players and in particular their overseas players. It hasn't been easy.
Clubs don't deal in rumours, they deal in facts. Fans are more than entitled to their opinions as that's part of what they pay for and a lot do have to deal and comment on rumours as they often don't have anything else to go on. Clubs however have to be really careful and professional when it comes to factual announcements. When a contract is signed the news is released and even then there's things to be sorted out before they release.
It has been a bit of a return year this year to the way we've announced and released news. But remember if there's nothing factual to release then we won't. Look at the Fab situation. Do you really think the day he left and it was announced was when the decision was made? No! The day it was announced was because of all the behind the scenes things that had to be ratified and sorted plus ensuring that Fab himself was ready.
I do love these boards and discussions and I do think fans are entitled in a lot of cases to more information but I also think that they resort a lot of the time to starting and commenting on rumours when they have nothing. Particularly some on Clubs where they are not even fans and don't even have unofficial links.
To turn to the Eagles launch, it had to be done on that day for numerous reasons. Unfortunately one player wasn't in and one player had a late personal commitment that he couldn't change. Those that were there on the day and reported on it enjoyed it and knew the reasons behind it. They dealt with it in the professional and competent way they needed too.
Please don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating censorship or a vote against free speech but as I say Clubs and not just the Eagles deal with facts and not rumours. When something needs announcing and it can be it is.
Hope this helps a few understand and that you ALL have a great season.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 18, 2019 14:35:44 GMT
Jeff you are a good guy. But it's very hard for you to be both a fan and on the inside of the club.
The whole essence of sport and fans is to speculate, praise, criticise.
Fans think they can make better decisions than coaches, recruit better, choose better tactics, cheer their team, boo their team, have their favorite players, want coaches or managers sacked etc etc etc etc
They can also ref better and some fans will praise refs, sometime fans will destroy refs. Sometime the same refs in the same game get both.
You've got eagles fans on your own social media recently wanting a new coach (before fab left) and wanting certain players back and others nowhere near the club. You've got long term fans at end of last season saying they wouldn't be buying another season ticket. So in amongst all my rivalry banter there are eagles fans not happy with what they've seen lately.
So me personally when anyone complains about tosh being written about their club well actually that's what I think comes with sport and why people get passionate about it.
If you think tosh gets written about your own club take a look at what gets said on an hourly basis about your local football club. In fact about all pro football clubs. I'm from a football background so maybe I'm used to banter on a way different level and intensity to what I see on here
No club, coach, manager, player, ref, PR guy is perfect
And fans and opinions are the lifeblood of sport.
I resent being told I contribute to tosh. I create chat about basketball on here. If people don't like what I say then they can disagree etc. I never make it personal with them. Although many make it personal with me.
I contribute to passionate discussion about sport in my own way on here. Half what I say is tongue in cheek. Most of it has something behind it though.
I got blasted for pointing out eagles management had encouraged their coach to look at opportunities elsewhere. There's a little bit in that no matter how eagles management might want to say different
We all know the club will have saved money without the ex coach and as a fan of your club I would be at least hoping that might be re-invested on court in players. Again in any other sports forum that would be a demand not a hope.
What I say on here is totally lame to what gets said about other sports.
No need for anyone to get precious about their own club. Disagree and argue back for sure but don't dismiss anything you dont like to read as tosh
You give your side from the club's point view.
I enjoy listening to your match commentaries and as I said you are a good guy. Don't take what gets said on a sports forum so seriously though. It's not worth getting wound up about.
There's worse things going on in UK right now to worry about instead
And my question is what is actually wrong with gossip and rumour about sport??
In fact I would say sport creates more gossip and rumour than anything else in life??
What is anybody scared of happening ?
It beats talking about brexit
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 15:34:37 GMT
I got blasted for pointing out eagles management had encouraged their coach to look at opportunities elsewhere. There's a little bit in that no matter how eagles management might want to say different We all know the club will have saved money without the ex coach and as a fan of your club I would be at least hoping that might be re-invested on court in players. Again in any other sports forum that would be a demand not a hope. Actually they allowed him to persue one particular opportunity at one specific club in the biggest league in the world. That's a bit different to suggesting they were pushing him to find something (anything) else. He was entitled to spend his summers working with Raptors , it didn't prevent him playing his part in the Eagles' recruitment process. All they really did was allow him a break when the GB games were on. I imagine plenty of players & coaches in the BBL also have a break, they just don't get the chance to experience the NBA. Who's to say they won't spend the money saved? It's not always quick or easy to get the right player and the ridiculously long Cup campaign gives them a chance to get the right man. Tell me about this Brexit thing. It's the first I've heard about it |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 18, 2019 15:41:45 GMT
I got blasted for pointing out eagles management had encouraged their coach to look at opportunities elsewhere. There's a little bit in that no matter how eagles management might want to say different We all know the club will have saved money without the ex coach and as a fan of your club I would be at least hoping that might be re-invested on court in players. Again in any other sports forum that would be a demand not a hope. Actually they allowed him to persue one particular opportunity at one specific club in the biggest league in the world. That's a bit different to suggesting they were pushing him to find something (anything) else. He was entitled to spend his summers working with Raptors , it didn't prevent him playing his part in the Eagles' recruitment process. All they really did was allow him a break when the GB games were on. I imagine plenty of players & coaches in the BBL also have a break, they just don't get the chance to experience the NBA. Who's to say they won't spend the money saved? It's not always quick or easy to get the right player and the ridiculously long Cup campaign gives them a chance to get the right man. I'm referring to the coach saying in his leaving interview that he came back to GB not expecting to get a full time job in NBA and expecting to stay with Eagles but that Dave and Paul actually encouraged him to look at opportunities at Toronto. There's something in that and in any other sport people just nod knowingly. And if I'm wrong well so what it's sport and it's me just being wrong with my second guessing. And yes eagles may yet invest in more players but Jeff said there were no more signings going to be announced a couple of days ago now. Again in any other pro sport any money saved at the club would have fans rubbing their hands and debating who the club should spend it on next Am I wrong?? There's an opportunity to re-invest money at Eagles. All other things being equal. If there isn't and they can't afford to fair enough. But in any other sports forum fans would be queuing up to spend that money for the club? |
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Post by gloryeagle on Sept 18, 2019 15:48:51 GMT
Ok, perhaps I shouldn't comment on here given my position in The Club but there really is some tosh spoken and recorded on the boards. Not just about the Eagles but other Clubs as well. As a former fan only I yearned for news from The Club and felt uneasy at times when there was none. However, when you get on the inside you begin to understand what goes on and what needs to be said and when. This preseason at Eagles has been a unique one as they now, thankfully, have their own Arena and all the associated things that comes with running that. It sometimes means other priorities take place and have to be dealt with. Eagles staff and hierarchy are on a massive learning curve at the moment and that is perhaps reflected in the way the preseason news has been dealt with this time. Plus, like nearly every other Club, there have been issues with permits and official paperwork brought about by changes to the rules. Have a good look around and see how many Clubs are missing players and in particular their overseas players. It hasn't been easy. Clubs don't deal in rumours, they deal in facts. Fans are more than entitled to their opinions as that's part of what they pay for and a lot do have to deal and comment on rumours as they often don't have anything else to go on. Clubs however have to be really careful and professional when it comes to factual announcements. When a contract is signed the news is released and even then there's things to be sorted out before they release. It has been a bit of a return year this year to the way we've announced and released news. But remember if there's nothing factual to release then we won't. Look at the Fab situation. Do you really think the day he left and it was announced was when the decision was made? No! The day it was announced was because of all the behind the scenes things that had to be ratified and sorted plus ensuring that Fab himself was ready. I do love these boards and discussions and I do think fans are entitled in a lot of cases to more information but I also think that they resort a lot of the time to starting and commenting on rumours when they have nothing. Particularly some on Clubs where they are not even fans and don't even have unofficial links. To turn to the Eagles launch, it had to be done on that day for numerous reasons. Unfortunately one player wasn't in and one player had a late personal commitment that he couldn't change. Those that were there on the day and reported on it enjoyed it and knew the reasons behind it. They dealt with it in the professional and competent way they needed too. Please don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating censorship or a vote against free speech but as I say Clubs and not just the Eagles deal with facts and not rumours. When something needs announcing and it can be it is. Hope this helps a few understand and that you ALL have a great season. I think people understand that clubs have to deal in facts and can't comment on rumours and get involved in gossip etc. But on the team launch point which you have mentioned, the fact was that one of our import players wasn't there, and the fact was that the club released photos of him not there, and the fact is that the club said nothing about it. I think most people would agree that isn't great. Whatever the reasons behind that were, at least acknowledging it was required in my opinion. Not doing so then created the rumours which you have referred to as tosh. Perhaps they were, most of what we say on here probably is, because most of us are not in the know. But the club created the discussion. Everyone on here without fail is hugely appreciative of what goes into running these clubs that we love, and how much of it is often done for so little return. But in 2019 I think lack of communication is inexcusable for any professional sports club and that is what a lot of fans across the league have had this season. I hope you and everyone in the club has a great season as well. I hope that more than I can put into words! |
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Post by gloryeagle on Sept 18, 2019 15:51:31 GMT
Actually they allowed him to persue one particular opportunity at one specific club in the biggest league in the world. That's a bit different to suggesting they were pushing him to find something (anything) else. He was entitled to spend his summers working with Raptors , it didn't prevent him playing his part in the Eagles' recruitment process. All they really did was allow him a break when the GB games were on. I imagine plenty of players & coaches in the BBL also have a break, they just don't get the chance to experience the NBA. Who's to say they won't spend the money saved? It's not always quick or easy to get the right player and the ridiculously long Cup campaign gives them a chance to get the right man. I'm referring to the coach saying in his leaving interview that he came back to GB not expecting to get a full time job in NBA and expecting to stay with Eagles but that Dave and Paul actually encouraged him to look at opportunities at Toronto. There's something in that and in any other sport people just nod knowingly. And if I'm wrong well so what it's sport and it's me just being wrong with my second guessing. And yes eagles may yet invest in more players but Jeff said there were no more signings going to be announced a couple of days ago now. Again in any other pro sport any money saved at the club would have fans rubbing their hands and debating who the club should spend it on next Am I wrong?? There's an opportunity to re-invest money at Eagles. All other things being equal. If there isn't and they can't afford to fair enough. But in any other sports forum fans would be queuing up to spend that money for the club? I think you are taking Fab at his word a little too much there. He can't really come out and say "As soon as I heard the Raptors were interested I wanted to leave" after 18 years at the club can he? |
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Post by gloryeagle on Sept 18, 2019 15:52:15 GMT
I'm referring to the coach saying in his leaving interview that he came back to GB not expecting to get a full time job in NBA and expecting to stay with Eagles but that Dave and Paul actually encouraged him to look at opportunities at Toronto. There's something in that and in any other sport people just nod knowingly. And if I'm wrong well so what it's sport and it's me just being wrong with my second guessing. And yes eagles may yet invest in more players but Jeff said there were no more signings going to be announced a couple of days ago now. Again in any other pro sport any money saved at the club would have fans rubbing their hands and debating who the club should spend it on next Am I wrong?? There's an opportunity to re-invest money at Eagles. All other things being equal. If there isn't and they can't afford to fair enough. But in any other sports forum fans would be queuing up to spend that money for the club? I think you are taking Fab at his word a little too much there. He can't really come out and say "As soon as I heard the Raptors were interested I wanted to leave" after 18 years at the club can he? Albeit he probably did and who can blame him. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 18, 2019 15:55:38 GMT
Ok, perhaps I shouldn't comment on here given my position in The Club but there really is some tosh spoken and recorded on the boards. Not just about the Eagles but other Clubs as well. As a former fan only I yearned for news from The Club and felt uneasy at times when there was none. However, when you get on the inside you begin to understand what goes on and what needs to be said and when. This preseason at Eagles has been a unique one as they now, thankfully, have their own Arena and all the associated things that comes with running that. It sometimes means other priorities take place and have to be dealt with. Eagles staff and hierarchy are on a massive learning curve at the moment and that is perhaps reflected in the way the preseason news has been dealt with this time. Plus, like nearly every other Club, there have been issues with permits and official paperwork brought about by changes to the rules. Have a good look around and see how many Clubs are missing players and in particular their overseas players. It hasn't been easy. Clubs don't deal in rumours, they deal in facts. Fans are more than entitled to their opinions as that's part of what they pay for and a lot do have to deal and comment on rumours as they often don't have anything else to go on. Clubs however have to be really careful and professional when it comes to factual announcements. When a contract is signed the news is released and even then there's things to be sorted out before they release. It has been a bit of a return year this year to the way we've announced and released news. But remember if there's nothing factual to release then we won't. Look at the Fab situation. Do you really think the day he left and it was announced was when the decision was made? No! The day it was announced was because of all the behind the scenes things that had to be ratified and sorted plus ensuring that Fab himself was ready. I do love these boards and discussions and I do think fans are entitled in a lot of cases to more information but I also think that they resort a lot of the time to starting and commenting on rumours when they have nothing. Particularly some on Clubs where they are not even fans and don't even have unofficial links. To turn to the Eagles launch, it had to be done on that day for numerous reasons. Unfortunately one player wasn't in and one player had a late personal commitment that he couldn't change. Those that were there on the day and reported on it enjoyed it and knew the reasons behind it. They dealt with it in the professional and competent way they needed too. Please don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating censorship or a vote against free speech but as I say Clubs and not just the Eagles deal with facts and not rumours. When something needs announcing and it can be it is. Hope this helps a few understand and that you ALL have a great season. I think people understand that clubs have to deal in facts and can't comment on rumours and get involved in gossip etc. But on the team launch point which you have mentioned, the fact was that one of our import players wasn't there, and the fact was that the club released photos of him not there, and the fact is that the club said nothing about it. I think most people would agree that isn't great. Whatever the reasons behind that were, at least acknowledging it was required in my opinion. Not doing so then created the rumours which you have referred to as tosh. Perhaps they were, most of what we say on here probably is, because most of us are not in the know. But the club created the discussion. Everyone on here without fail is hugely appreciative of what goes into running these clubs that we love, and how much of it is often done for so little return. But in 2019 I think lack of communication is inexcusable for any professional sports club and that is what a lot of fans across the league have had this season. I hope you and everyone in the club has a great season as well. I hope that more than I can put into words! Tbf to Jeff although Eagles are a professional. Sports club I believe he is a volunteer. |
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Post by gloryeagle on Sept 18, 2019 15:58:39 GMT
I think people understand that clubs have to deal in facts and can't comment on rumours and get involved in gossip etc. But on the team launch point which you have mentioned, the fact was that one of our import players wasn't there, and the fact was that the club released photos of him not there, and the fact is that the club said nothing about it. I think most people would agree that isn't great. Whatever the reasons behind that were, at least acknowledging it was required in my opinion. Not doing so then created the rumours which you have referred to as tosh. Perhaps they were, most of what we say on here probably is, because most of us are not in the know. But the club created the discussion. Everyone on here without fail is hugely appreciative of what goes into running these clubs that we love, and how much of it is often done for so little return. But in 2019 I think lack of communication is inexcusable for any professional sports club and that is what a lot of fans across the league have had this season. I hope you and everyone in the club has a great season as well. I hope that more than I can put into words! Tbf to Jeff although Eagles are a professional. Sports club I believe he is a volunteer. I'm not aiming that at Jeff, just responding to the point about the club/league in general this summer. Jeff will naturally want to defend the clubs position, wouldn't dream of telling him not to - I just don't think we've been great this summer. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 18, 2019 16:01:27 GMT
I'm referring to the coach saying in his leaving interview that he came back to GB not expecting to get a full time job in NBA and expecting to stay with Eagles but that Dave and Paul actually encouraged him to look at opportunities at Toronto. There's something in that and in any other sport people just nod knowingly. And if I'm wrong well so what it's sport and it's me just being wrong with my second guessing. And yes eagles may yet invest in more players but Jeff said there were no more signings going to be announced a couple of days ago now. Again in any other pro sport any money saved at the club would have fans rubbing their hands and debating who the club should spend it on next Am I wrong?? There's an opportunity to re-invest money at Eagles. All other things being equal. If there isn't and they can't afford to fair enough. But in any other sports forum fans would be queuing up to spend that money for the club? I think you are taking Fab at his word a little too much there. He can't really come out and say "As soon as I heard the Raptors were interested I wanted to leave" after 18 years at the club can he? If what he said wasnt true and wasnt how it happened - then sorry he's the one responsible for giving me something to speculate about. Again it's sport and it's a forum and it's just chatter. So it's not the end of the world. But just say you are correct then actually it's Fab who's talking tosh and not a fan like me who comments on it and takes him at his word. I don't see anyone accusing Fab of talking tosh above? But I am when I take him at his word? Anyway I promised not to talk about him again. I'm getting dragged in. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 18, 2019 16:04:05 GMT
Tbf to Jeff although Eagles are a professional. Sports club I believe he is a volunteer. I'm not aiming that at Jeff, just responding to the point about the club/league in general this summer. Jeff will naturally want to defend the clubs position, wouldn't dream of telling him not to - I just don't think we've been great this summer. You are a fan and you pay your money and you should be allowed to criticise when it's valid Without fans there's no club to defend for people like jeff But tbf to eagles and Jeff they have got more right than they have get wrong over the years Without doubt on here though both the club and the fanbase overall are very defensive full stop. I noticed that when I joined the forum. Very defensive and close ranks together. It's not like that with the other clubs and fanbases on here who are more prepared to find fault or criticise. In fact it's the opposite with most. |
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Post by gloryeagle on Sept 18, 2019 16:04:57 GMT
I think you are taking Fab at his word a little too much there. He can't really come out and say "As soon as I heard the Raptors were interested I wanted to leave" after 18 years at the club can he? If what he said wasnt true and wasnt how it happened - then sorry he's the one responsible for giving me something to speculate about. Again it's sport and it's a forum and it's just chatter. So it's not the end of the world. But just say you are correct then actually it's Fab who's talking tosh and not a fan like me who comments on it and takes him at his word. I don't see anyone accusing Fab of talking tosh above? But I am when I take him at his word? Anyway I promised not to talk about him again. I'm getting dragged in. I'm sure he's not bothered IRF. Not tosh. Just economical with the truth. I guess the reality is that all quotes in press releases are like that to a certain extent. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Sept 18, 2019 16:05:17 GMT
I'm not aiming that at Jeff, just responding to the point about the club/league in general this summer. Jeff will naturally want to defend the clubs position, wouldn't dream of telling him not to - I just don't think we've been great this summer. You are a fan and you pay your money and you should be allowed to criticise when it's valid Without fans there's no club to defend for people like jeff But tbf to eagles and Jeff they have got more right than they have get wrong over the years Got to be the understatement of the year so far, IRF! |
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Post by gloryeagle on Sept 18, 2019 16:12:11 GMT
I'm not aiming that at Jeff, just responding to the point about the club/league in general this summer. Jeff will naturally want to defend the clubs position, wouldn't dream of telling him not to - I just don't think we've been great this summer. You are a fan and you pay your money and you should be allowed to criticise when it's valid Without fans there's no club to defend for people like jeff But tbf to eagles and Jeff they have got more right than they have get wrong over the years Indeed they have. Which is why most of us give them a free pass when things go wrong. Because they have earned it, they really have. It's very rare that I criticise the club, really the only time was when we cut Thomas last September. But if something has been handled poorly then it should be said. Pretending we are perfect helps nothing. |
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Post by MansfieldMike on Sept 18, 2019 16:54:56 GMT
But if something has been handled poorly then it should be said. Pretending we are perfect helps nothing. Absolutely right, take Riders for example, this Fridays game against Sharks could be tougher than you think, according to our website, we only have three players and a coach on our roster.
Maybe there are more important issues for the club to be focussing on, but it doesn't present a very professional view to anyone new, who may be considering coming to support us.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Sept 19, 2019 6:59:42 GMT
This kind of promo stuff takes very little time to film and yet it feeds the fans which is good. Interviewer needed to relax (seemed very nervous) but well done to Eagles because these snippets all add to maintain fan interest. Liked the attitude of Mitchell. Judging by his reputation I think he's going to be one of the ones to watch in the BBL. |
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