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Post by ko25 on Sept 25, 2019 22:42:03 GMT
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Sept 26, 2019 6:25:35 GMT
A Chance to get our season started. 2 games in and we haven't got started, playing against two leading teams ( whatever the arguments about stronger/ weaker than last year) we need a decent performance. Some players haven't lived up to expectations yet and it's time we started scoring, both games producing low scores.
P. S. thanks for going back to one thread one game, much prefer the old set up.
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Post by dyb dyb on Sept 26, 2019 21:05:01 GMT
Just a little to prove I think.
From a big defeat against Riders, a good team despite all the banter and 'we've players to come in', 'we didn't play that well', to a big win against a poor Giants team, 'Sharks aren't going to finish bottom of the league.'
Won 1, lost 1. A loss might not affect our progress but they'll be lots of people waiting to comment on the performance and indeed the result, hence a must win just to save face.
Hopefully a few more will travel from Cheshire than did Manchester and after a home win, a few more home fans. Incidentally an offer for students as gone out so that may attract a few more and it shows that the sharks are trying?!
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Post by dyb dyb on Sept 29, 2019 15:45:23 GMT
Uncle Festa with a beard.
Let's see if the beard will make a difference??
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Post by theflyingshark on Sept 29, 2019 16:28:27 GMT
First time watching this years BBL YouTube coverage. Disappointed there’s no shot clock. And the camera angle looks really weird when it’s pointed at the ends of the court. Something to do with how it’s mounted/swivelling but it looks wonky.
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Post by sharkfan on Sept 29, 2019 17:47:00 GMT
Cashaw must have just got off the plane I think/hope. Looked really strong defensively and no doubt will find out when he realises there is no rim protection in the BBL he can score  Excellent defensive effort from Hanson-Young and Lewis, some turnovers forced by good ball pressure. Tuck and Marsden both doing what they do well Koch is the find of the season, solid player, good fundamentals and knows where the basket is Good solid win against a poorly organised team who have some talent but little control A win is a win ! |
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Post by Colicab85 on Sept 29, 2019 18:59:38 GMT
Looks to be, at most, 200 fans there, maybe more like 150. Commend the fans that have gone. Such a shame.
I probably should go more, but I just have such apathy now.
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Post by sharkball on Sept 29, 2019 19:17:48 GMT
The Sharks did what they had to v a poor Cheshire team. Think them and Manchester will struggle to win many games. The point guard for Phoenix was excellent. Sayers made a few tears but the rest of the team was poor especially defensively with no rim protection.
For the Sharks...positives McKnight was very good offensively and did a variety of things. Lewis shot well too but still makes some weird decisions. Koch was solid again with fewer touches this week. Tuck was excellent and showed he can still play.
Negatives...Marsden had a poor game and then we saw again his bad Hanson Young and Backovic are. They should be nailed to the bench. Cashaw looked a rabbit in the headlights. He looked really sub standard on that showing with no court awareness and no form on his shot. He will have to improve fast from a nightmare debut.
The other concern was the crowd...it was abysmal...maybe 150-180 tops. The move to Ponds Forge and playing Sunday was supposed to improve crowds but the crowds are at an all time low. The ticket prices are way too expensive for the product (be around £30 for me and my son) and as much as its good sll the gsnes being on the internet maybe does not help. I recall back in the day the Sharks had arou nd 600-700 season tickets and would get 1,200 + at the Arena. Even at the EIS a few years ago we'd get 700-800 for a lot of games.
Have people just lost interest? I see a few familiar faces but so many regulars who went for years have seemingly just packed in now for good. Sad as it was such a good franchise with a really solid fan base. I recall going to Wembley or Coventry and we'd take 300 fans easily. Now we can't even get that for a home game. Surely the board are concerned and need to shake things up to get moret through the door whether it be promotions or school ticket giveaways. At the moment you worry for the future of the Sharks with the current level of fan support. If the trend carries on over the last 2-3 years for the next year or so we will be lucky to get more than a handful through the gate. Sharks used to be one of the best supported team in the league but now I think are the worst.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Sept 29, 2019 19:30:25 GMT
Watched the game on YouTube. Sayers earned his money tonight as did PCJ and Dizzy. At least Iast year we'd lose by 5-10 points scoring about 80 in the process. Can't understand why things aren't going right, with PJ-C we've an excellent point guard but the rest of the squad don't yet seem to be on the same wavelength, hard for an essentially pass first PG when it's difficult to find someone to pass to.
However we'll ,still,be there next home game hopefully surrounded by several hundred fans, things can only get better. 0/3 in the cup, but we're concentrating on the league!!!
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Post by Colicab85 on Sept 29, 2019 19:34:06 GMT
Watching the game on YouTube. I thought Hanson Young looks alright. A solid back up guard. Never gonna best people of the dribble but looks a decent spot up shooter.
Cashaw was erratic to say the least but should improve.
Crowd is horrendous. I’m a hypocrite as I moan about it but don’t go but I agree that we are probably the worst supported team in the league.
Unfortunately the regulars from 10/15 years ago expected a certain level of play and presentation and it’s been getting steadily worse every year.
There’s only so much mediocrity people can put up with.
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Post by dyb dyb on Sept 29, 2019 20:00:31 GMT
Looks to be, at most, 200 fans there, maybe more like 150. Commend the fans that have gone. Such a shame. I probably should go more, but I just have such apathy now. Thought we had this debate after last week. Thought it was finally put to bed. Alas not. Arena holds about 1400, actually seats 200 more than EIS. Not sure where 150 comes from??? |
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Post by youngrocks on Sept 29, 2019 20:02:38 GMT
Is it not that sharks have kept the same product and game night experience for too long. Looks very dated and their online presence is one of the worst too. All this is before you look at the on court roster and the lack of positivity towards coach atiba
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Post by Colicab85 on Sept 29, 2019 20:08:39 GMT
Looks to be, at most, 200 fans there, maybe more like 150. Commend the fans that have gone. Such a shame. I probably should go more, but I just have such apathy now. Thought we had this debate after last week. Thought it was finally put to bed. Alas not. Arena holds about 1400, actually seats 200 more than EIS. Not sure where 150 comes from??? Well I counted around 150ish. I know people move but I am more the confident in my estimates. |
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Post by dyb dyb on Sept 29, 2019 20:12:06 GMT
The Sharks did what they had to v a poor Cheshire team. Think them and Manchester will struggle to win many games. The point guard for Phoenix was excellent. Sayers made a few tears but the rest of the team was poor especially defensively with no rim protection. For the Sharks...positives McKnight was very good offensively and did a variety of things. Lewis shot well too but still makes some weird decisions. Koch was solid again with fewer touches this week. Tuck was excellent and showed he can still play. Negatives...Marsden had a poor game and then we saw again his bad Hanson Young and Backovic are. They should be nailed to the bench. Cashaw looked a rabbit in the headlights. He looked really sub standard on that showing with no court awareness and no form on his shot. He will have to improve fast from a nightmare debut. The other concern was the crowd...it was abysmal...maybe 150-180 tops. The move to Ponds Forge and playing Sunday was supposed to improve crowds but the crowds are at an all time low. The ticket prices are way too expensive for the product (be around £30 for me and my son) and as much as its good sll the gsnes being on the internet maybe does not help. I recall back in the day the Sharks had arou nd 600-700 season tickets and would get 1,200 + at the Arena. Even at the EIS a few years ago we'd get 700-800 for a lot of games. Have people just lost interest? I see a few familiar faces but so many regulars who went for years have seemingly just packed in now for good. Sad as it was such a good franchise with a really solid fan base. I recall going to Wembley or Coventry and we'd take 300 fans easily. Now we can't even get that for a home game. Surely the board are concerned and need to shake things up to get moret through the door whether it be promotions or school ticket giveaways. At the moment you worry for the future of the Sharks with the current level of fan support. If the trend carries on over the last 2-3 years for the next year or so we will be lucky to get more than a handful through the gate. Sharks used to be one of the best supported team in the league but now I think are the worst. Ponds Forge's capacity is roughly 1400; 200 more than the EIS. Last weeks, guesses, estimates of 200 etc were well, WELL, off the attendance of 709. Makes a bit of a nonsense of how poor the support/attendance is. Even comparing that to the 'better' days at the EIS |
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Post by dyb dyb on Sept 29, 2019 20:17:57 GMT
To be fair; I know of one or two and there may be others that are staying away, one friend asnt renewed their season ticket because of the at times embrasshing shouting out and calling out. They don't want to listen to it all night and it spoils the game for them.
Nothing to do with costs or pricing etc and nothing like the 100's off 'what used to be'.
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Post by Colicab85 on Sept 29, 2019 20:20:52 GMT
I don’t believe the attendance numbers to be frank.
Just be using my eyes and counting I can see the there was comfortably less than 300 there tonight.
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Post by dyb dyb on Sept 29, 2019 20:25:22 GMT
Thought we had this debate after last week. Thought it was finally put to bed. Alas not. Arena holds about 1400, actually seats 200 more than EIS. Not sure where 150 comes from??? Well I counted around 150ish. I know people move but I am more the confident in my estimates. I'll leave it at that for the moment as we're sat at the front and don't have a good view of the full crowd. I'll come back when I've had the opportunity to watch the game back and see what the camera shows. Just to go back a week, having seen the game back I estimated the arena was just over half full, with the official attendance figure given as 709. (despite guesses of 300 - 400 at the most) If that helps any. |
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Post by theflyingshark on Sept 29, 2019 20:38:00 GMT
Is it not that sharks have kept the same product and game night experience for too long. Looks very dated and their online presence is one of the worst too. All this is before you look at the on court roster and the lack of positivity towards coach atiba There are about 190 people sat there. Counted at about four minutes into the first quarter. Wish it wasn’t the case but I agree with everyone saying the product is poor, even if the basketball is often great. Hopefully attendance will pick up for league games. Ponds forge is nostalgic for me so I like it but at the same time seating on only one side of the court is crap for atmosphere. |
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Post by dyb dyb on Sept 29, 2019 20:39:50 GMT
Any how; the game.
Firstly, just because I've been criticised in the past (unfairly in my opinion) of only criticising the refs after a loss; unfairly as I often made a point of commenting after a win. I think the refs were ok(ish) today, yes, even uncle festa. Just one word - consistency.
I think the Sharks were worthy winners with someone else stepping up today. We've had Koch Lewis and Marsden, this week McKnight. We seem to be spreading it about.
However, we never hit the heights of last week and never pulled away. Some credit to Nix for hanging around. Sayers's 3 pointers helped with this.
We were criticised last season for relying on just 2 players; William's and Alexander. Think we can mix it up more this season.
Only time will tell as to actually how good we are as we've been well beaten by riders but only beaten Giants and Nix.
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Post by sharkfan on Sept 29, 2019 21:44:14 GMT
Spectators want to see players do things that they can`t do
That could be because of physique and athleticism, skills or the ability to read the game and play defence
When you start players that are no better than local league standard then you are not going to fill the stands
Even when we have paid players who have been recruited they have to sit and watch the CEO`s son start ………………….
If Cashaw ins`t good enough just send him home, if he is staying then put him on the floor and let him play and bed in rather than have him sit wondering what the **** he is doing in Sheffield watching inferior players taking his playing time as a professional player
This needs to change
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Post by dyb dyb on Sept 29, 2019 22:07:13 GMT
Is it not that sharks have kept the same product and game night experience for too long. Looks very dated and their online presence is one of the worst too. All this is before you look at the on court roster and the lack of positivity towards coach atiba I'm sure there's a lot of positivity for the coach. Just not on here where 3 or 4 constantly gripe. Sharks could win the league but it would be despite the coach not because of. There's not many sharks fans post on here; 6/7 maybe 4 of them clearly don't like Atiba as the coach, that doesn't mean that all fans are against him. I've spoken to fans about Whatsbev, trying to spread the word, most of them stay clear because of the negativity. Like I said last week negativity breeds negativity, that includes posts about how crowds are getting less and less, when there was 700 at the game last week. People don't want to take part in the negativity so don't bother at all, that just leaves the moaners to their own. |
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Post by celticphoenix on Sept 29, 2019 23:10:20 GMT
Watched the game on YouTube. Sayers earned his money tonight as did PCJ and Dizzy. At least Iast year we'd lose by 5-10 points scoring about 80 in the process. Can't understand why things aren't going right, with PJ-C we've an excellent point guard but the rest of the squad don't yet seem to be on the same wavelength, hard for an essentially pass first PG when it's difficult to find someone to pass to. However we'll ,still,be there next home game hopefully surrounded by several hundred fans, things can only get better. 0/3 in the cup, but we're concentrating on the league!!! Cilo has been poor in the 1st 3 games of the season, but given his form last year, I'm confident he can turn it around. Much more worryingly Ochereobia and McRae have combined for 3 game averages of 5p/5r and 2p/3r respectively. Both are going to have improve dramatically or move on, or this is going to be a *very* long season! |
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Post by Colicab85 on Sept 30, 2019 6:15:19 GMT
Is it not that sharks have kept the same product and game night experience for too long. Looks very dated and their online presence is one of the worst too. All this is before you look at the on court roster and the lack of positivity towards coach atiba I'm sure there's a lot of positivity for the coach. Just not on here where 3 or 4 constantly gripe. Sharks could win the league but it would be despite the coach not because of. There's not many sharks fans post on here; 6/7 maybe 4 of them clearly don't like Atiba as the coach, that doesn't mean that all fans are against him. I've spoken to fans about Whatsbev, trying to spread the word, most of them stay clear because of the negativity. Like I said last week negativity breeds negativity, that includes posts about how crowds are getting less and less, when there was 700 at the game last week. People don't want to take part in the negativity so don't bother at all, that just leaves the moaners to their own. There’s not a huge amount to be positive about though is there? We have been terrible for several years, and getting worse. I think they fact that we used fill Ponds Forge and now were getting 200 explains where all the negative fans are...they just don’t turn up anymore. Their negativity has resulted in them not caring. At least the 4 negative people on here still give a **** and want it to improve. |
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Post by youngrocks on Sept 30, 2019 6:35:01 GMT
Sharks when i started following the keague were a top team. Great plagers, The squads the last couple of seasons wouldn't even be able to lace the shoes of those squads back then let alone start on court.
I really respect your passion and care for your club but you've got to think accepting the same each year or a decline isn't what club like sharks should be accepting.
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Post by dyb dyb on Sept 30, 2019 7:02:30 GMT
Sharks when i started following the keague were a top team. Great plagers, The squads the last couple of seasons wouldn't even be able to lace the shoes of those squads back then let alone start on court. I really respect your passion and care for your club but you've got to think accepting the same each year or a decline isn't what club like sharks should be accepting. Yes, we once had a great team, I go further enough back to see us win the league. Yes, I'm disappointed in our current plight. I just don't see any benefits in coming on here and slagging them off, or even worse keeping away; what's that going to achieve? Even lower income? Smaller crowds; nothing good So I back my team, I support it come rain or shine. Here's one for IRF. If we have become so poor but yet can achieve 4th in the league and reach finals on regular occasions, how bad is the league? I've not yet accepted that there was only 200 at the game yesterday and wont until I either have an opportunity to count the crowd or get official confirmation. Why not believe official figures? I'm a simple person and like things simple. Last week the arena looked half full, it holds 1400ish. Simply half of 1400 is 700. No need for counting. Official figure; 709 |
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