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Post by blueskies99 on Oct 16, 2019 19:48:42 GMT
Simply Eagles own ECA Riders own a share in morinig side Just to clarify......direct from their website... The Arena project has three partners, Leicester Riders, Leicester College, and Leicester City Council. All provided funding, along with the Sport England and the Leicester & Leicestershire Enterprise Partnership (LLEP). LCC owns the site at Charter Street and has provided a long-term lease of the site (125 years) to, Leicester Community Sports Arena Limited (LCSAL), owned by the Rider’s charity (Leicester Riders Foundation), with the company paying a commercial rent for the site. |
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Post by dyb dyb on Oct 16, 2019 19:50:30 GMT
Dyb Dyb. You seem to be really salty about people having an opinion that differs to yours. Don’t take it personally? You said you were going to stop trying to convince people to love Atiba. You know that you will never get me to agree with you right? Of course cups and trophies are great to win, it’s great that Atiba has won them. But you know that sustained success is proven by league titles, and that goes for all sports. I would MUCH prefer to be challenging for the league every year than win a cup every 4 years, and so would you I imagine. I’ll repeat. The Sharks are one of the most successful teams in the history of the BBL and for us to finish 8th in the league is totally embarrassing. You are right in that in another thread I said I was giving up trying to reason with the Atiba 'haters', nothing about making them love him. That would be some conversion. I also said that I might have one more post to err... post. I've sat on that a few days along with what Yuri was telling me on Friday. Knowing it wouldn't make an half penny of a difference putting it up on here. Like you say, your and I guess others' minds are set. Although still reading comments and liking the odd post I was fairly content in letting others have their opinions. However SIV announcing that the are losing money just meant that I thought it a good time to add my thoughts and they wouldn't appear as 'what Yuri said that, I don't believe anything he says' thread. Am I being salty when asking why Atiba haters do so and question posts that say way back in the good old days we were never out of the top 3, when we actually were? What I don't like and have said as much is how the negative posts spread so much. More so than the good stuff and are harder to undo. They put people off, Number6 has said on here that he posts less and less. I know of people that are put off even logging on because of all the negativity and criticism coming from a few people. At times regular posters of other teams appear to have the opinion that all shark fans are against Atiba which is not quite true. So that's it then , no more posts from me about Atiba, I give in, unless that is, posts are directed at me and then ofcourse I may feel obliged to reply. |
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Post by dyb dyb on Oct 16, 2019 20:00:44 GMT
@dyb dyb Interesting post. By the way, you sent me a PM a few days ago asking why I thought Sharks weren't capable of having successful season this year... I replied, I think you've got the wrong person. I don't think I've ever said that about Sharks, in fact I think they could be in for a much improved season this year.  It certainly looks that way. I've looked back in threads and I cant even remember who I was supposed to message, apologies for that. And yes, despite the big loss against Riders on opening night, when BOTH teams had injuries and players not yet at the club, we appear to heading in the right direction. Its took a little while though as wins against Giants and Nix were soon dismissed as games against teams that are going to struggle, to finish at the bottom of the league. However a good win against a rocks team that allegedly as got itself together and a good All Stars tournament seem to be turning a few heads. I'm positive there is still more to come from them too. Our next two games are against Newcastle, home and away (not in that order, it just reads better) we'll see where we stand after those 2 games. |
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Post by dyb dyb on Oct 16, 2019 20:09:16 GMT
Simply Eagles own ECA Just to clarify......direct from their website... The Arena project has three partners, Leicester Riders, Leicester College, and Leicester City Council. All provided funding, along with the Sport England and the Leicester & Leicestershire Enterprise Partnership (LLEP). LCC owns the site at Charter Street and has provided a long-term lease of the site (125 years) to, Leicester Community Sports Arena Limited (LCSAL), owned by the Rider’s charity (Leicester Riders Foundation), with the company paying a commercial rent for the site. I guess that pretty much similar to what the sharks are trying to do with their partners, albeit slightly different in names. It's just that one of them would much prefer sharks playing from one of their existing venues rather than build a new one. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 20:47:51 GMT
I'm sure we have had this discussion regrading Atiba before and it worked out that over the past 11 seasons he is the third most successful coach in the BBL behind Fab and Rob Paternostro.
In summary, over 11 seasons.....
4 pieces of silverware 4 runners-up 11 semi-final appearances
I'm utterly ambivalent about Atiba, but counting semi finals is a bit desperate. 3 competitions per year, 11 last fours is about bang on average |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Oct 16, 2019 21:00:29 GMT
Being able to train in your own arena is a big advantage I think. Gaining the revenue from ticket sales etc is another massive plus.
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Post by 2NFR on Oct 16, 2019 21:33:33 GMT
as dyb dyb says... That's a good point ... peoples opinions on here can change very quickly  on a complete tangent ... as much as I think Eagles are capable of winning both games, I'm still not convinced  Am I being overly cautious ? ... is winning one from two games a reasonable expectation to have these days !! Its just that I can't help but feel we're due another loss ... Hopefully I'm wrong ... Hmmmm!!  |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Oct 16, 2019 22:47:44 GMT
Dyb Dyb. You seem to be really salty about people having an opinion that differs to yours. Don’t take it personally? You said you were going to stop trying to convince people to love Atiba. You know that you will never get me to agree with you right? Of course cups and trophies are great to win, it’s great that Atiba has won them. But you know that sustained success is proven by league titles, and that goes for all sports. I would MUCH prefer to be challenging for the league every year than win a cup every 4 years, and so would you I imagine. I’ll repeat. The Sharks are one of the most successful teams in the history of the BBL and for us to finish 8th in the league is totally embarrassing. You are right in that in another thread I said I was giving up trying to reason with the Atiba 'haters', nothing about making them love him. That would be some conversion. I also said that I might have one more post to err... post. I've sat on that a few days along with what Yuri was telling me on Friday. Knowing it wouldn't make an half penny of a difference putting it up on here. Like you say, your and I guess others' minds are set. Although still reading comments and liking the odd post I was fairly content in letting others have their opinions. However SIV announcing that the are losing money just meant that I thought it a good time to add my thoughts and they wouldn't appear as 'what Yuri said that, I don't believe anything he says' thread. Am I being salty when asking why Atiba haters do so and question posts that say way back in the good old days we were never out of the top 3, when we actually were? What I don't like and have said as much is how the negative posts spread so much. More so than the good stuff and are harder to undo. They put people off, Number6 has said on here that he posts less and less. I know of people that are put off even logging on because of all the negativity and criticism coming from a few people. At times regular posters of other teams appear to have the opinion that all shark fans are against Atiba which is not quite true. So that's it then , no more posts from me about Atiba, I give in, unless that is, posts are directed at me and then ofcourse I may feel obliged to reply. Sharks are fortunate to have you as a fan. |
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Post by dazzle on Oct 17, 2019 8:46:21 GMT
Great post dyb dyb. For me the sharks are no doubt one of best ran clubs and most successful clubs in the league. Obviously not what they once where but no club in any sports reign forever.Take the Manchester uniteds of the football world.That is sports. It clear some of things over the past few years haven't paid off but they look like they are by no means giving up and some of the doom some clubs bring over their club is never as bad as some make out its just the passion takes over! I for one have huge respect forthe sharks organisation and I am sure in the coming seasons they could be back among the elite.
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Post by retsek on Oct 21, 2019 17:14:35 GMT
I'm sure we have had this discussion regrading Atiba before and it worked out that over the past 11 seasons he is the third most successful coach in the BBL behind Fab and Rob Paternostro.
In summary, over 11 seasons.....
4 pieces of silverware 4 runners-up 11 semi-final appearances
Wouldn't put too much credence in 11 semi's, bearing in mind that you can get to some semi's by winning a single game some years. So in our first 11 seasons (of which I go all the way back to game 1, season 1), we won 9 trophies with 9 runners up, Atiba's 4 and 4 run in the same time frame utterly pales in comparison, and that is against immeasurably weaker competition. I'm afraid this thread has not helped dyb dyb's cause 1 iota. |
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Post by retsek on Oct 21, 2019 18:01:34 GMT
Don't forget we're only counting the league as the others don't really matter as any one can win them and it doesn't really show how good or not that the coach is. Dyb Dyb. You seem to be really salty about people having an opinion that differs to yours. Don’t take it personally? You said you were going to stop trying to convince people to love Atiba. You know that you will never get me to agree with you right? Of course cups and trophies are great to win, it’s great that Atiba has won them. But you know that sustained success is proven by league titles, and that goes for all sports. I would MUCH prefer to be challenging for the league every year than win a cup every 4 years, and so would you I imagine. I’ll repeat. The Sharks are one of the most successful teams in the history of the BBL and for us to finish 8th in the league is totally embarrassing. Bingo |
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Post by blueskies99 on Oct 21, 2019 18:16:51 GMT
I'm sure we have had this discussion regrading Atiba before and it worked out that over the past 11 seasons he is the third most successful coach in the BBL behind Fab and Rob Paternostro.
In summary, over 11 seasons.....
4 pieces of silverware 4 runners-up 11 semi-final appearances
Wouldn't put too much credence in 11 semi's, bearing in mind that you can get to some semi's by winning a single game some years. So in our first 11 seasons (of which I go all the way back to game 1, season 1), we won 9 trophies with 9 runners up, Atiba's 4 and 4 run in the same time frame utterly pales in comparison, and that is against immeasurably weaker competition. I'm afraid this thread has not helped dyb dyb's cause 1 iota. Similarly I wouldn't put too much credence on any of the years prior to Atiba becomming a coach as he had no impact on them. So, just taking silverware into account over the past 11 seasons, it looks like this:- Eagles 16 Riders 13 Sharks 4 Mersey Tigers 3 Lions 2 Everton Tigers 2 Wolves 2 Pheonix 1 Royals 1 Still seems like he is the third most successful coach...... |
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Post by therock on Oct 21, 2019 19:20:22 GMT
Pretty desperate to split up the Tigers honours
Flournoy, Paternostro & Garboletto have all won more in Atiba’s time
Other coaches have a better trophy per season success rate than Atiba too
You can ‘prove’ pretty much whatever you want if you try hard enough
I don’t think anyone could argue that overall Sharks standards haven’t dropped under Atiba’s management. Results in the latter half of his reign are worse than those in his early years so you don’t even have to compare him to previous coaches.
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Post by Colicab85 on Oct 22, 2019 10:44:56 GMT
Its not really up for debate is it?
Sharks are not as good as they once were, it could and probably is budget issues.
We'll see if the early season promise continues this year. I hope it does and i hope that Atiba proves me wrong.
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Post by faz on Oct 23, 2019 0:31:59 GMT
My impression is the league as a whole is weaker this year?
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Post by number6 on Oct 23, 2019 20:17:35 GMT
Re the venue - if Sharks could raise the finance they could build a court whereever they wanted. It’s clear they can’t raise the money. I'm sure that's very clear. Without looking up the figure I cant remember. Was it £10M That's some figure to raise alone. They have gone cap in hand to a number of partners looking for investment including the bank and SCC as well as others. SCC are involved because of the community use etc. I think one way or another SCC have made it clear they would much prefer Sharks playing out of a SIV, especially when they are losing money as highlighted above. How many of the teams that have new venues have financed the project by themselves? Tough ask. Partnerships are needed and when one isn't playing ball...It was about £4m Planning permissions etc, Building on the old Don Valley Stadium Site( Council Land ), as part of the College who wanted a sporting facility to use, but suddenly EISS is now looking to take up that slot.This was supposed to be part of the Olympic Legacy  ?The Delay puts off Investors.Sheffield City of Sport - or it used to be |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Oct 24, 2019 6:01:48 GMT
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