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Post by dyb dyb on Nov 11, 2019 0:06:49 GMT
Some confusion tonight about who finishes top of the group, mainly due to the fact thrown out that sharks had to win by 21 points to get above Riders in the H2H so to speak, points difference or whatever you want to call it. Sharks failed to do it so everyone thought that Riders had done enough and would finish top.
However, they have now lost 3 games and sharks only 2. So a Sharks win against Rocks will mean them finishing top. Whereas a loss would mean both Riders and Sharks having 3 losses apiece and that would be where the points difference would come in and sharks needing the 21 point win.
So, basically, sharks beat rocks they finish top. Lose and riders finish top on points difference against sharks in the 'H2H'
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Post by dyb dyb on Nov 11, 2019 0:19:15 GMT
Following on from one of my earlier posts;
Had a few chats with a few other people after the game and we couldn't work out, certainly couldn't agree on whether Rob P would have been ok with the loss tonight or not. As a coach and any other coach probably wouldn't have set out to lose. But did the result matter to him? He certainly appeared subdued tonight and quite relaxed at times - for him.
Was it simply acceptance that his team was getting comfortable beaten, couldn't he give a jot?
Having said that it didnt stop him having a few words with the refs, stepping on court, going out of his technical area. All things that some other coach would have got a T for, but for Rob quite calm.
Acceptance or not bothered?
We couldn't agree amongst us.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Nov 11, 2019 7:25:56 GMT
Following on from one of my earlier posts; Had a few chats with a few other people after the game and we couldn't work out, certainly couldn't agree on whether Rob P would have been ok with the loss tonight or not. As a coach and any other coach probably wouldn't have set out to lose. But did the result matter to him? He certainly appeared subdued tonight and quite relaxed at times - for him. Was it simply acceptance that his team was getting comfortable beaten, couldn't he give a jot? Having said that it didnt stop him having a few words with the refs, stepping on court, going out of his technical area. All things that some other coach would have got a T for, but for Rob quite calm. Acceptance or not bothered? We couldn't agree amongst us. Definitely not 'not bothered'. |
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Post by blueskies99 on Nov 11, 2019 9:42:38 GMT
Some confusion tonight about who finishes top of the group, mainly due to the fact thrown out that sharks had to win by 21 points to get above Riders in the H2H so to speak, points difference or whatever you want to call it. Sharks failed to do it so everyone thought that Riders had done enough and would finish top. However, they have now lost 3 games and sharks only 2. So a Sharks win against Rocks will mean them finishing top. Whereas a loss would mean both Riders and Sharks having 3 losses apiece and that would be where the points difference would come in and sharks needing the 21 point win. So, basically, sharks beat rocks they finish top. Lose and riders finish top on points difference against sharks in the 'H2H' Just to muddy the waters/add some clarity(?).......
I agree with all you say, but according to Dan Routledge on twitter the order of teams will be decided by:-
1. points 2. Total points scored in all games 3. If 1. & 2. are the same, points difference in the H2H
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Nov 11, 2019 10:07:58 GMT
Some confusion tonight about who finishes top of the group, mainly due to the fact thrown out that sharks had to win by 21 points to get above Riders in the H2H so to speak, points difference or whatever you want to call it. Sharks failed to do it so everyone thought that Riders had done enough and would finish top. However, they have now lost 3 games and sharks only 2. So a Sharks win against Rocks will mean them finishing top. Whereas a loss would mean both Riders and Sharks having 3 losses apiece and that would be where the points difference would come in and sharks needing the 21 point win. So, basically, sharks beat rocks they finish top. Lose and riders finish top on points difference against sharks in the 'H2H' Just to muddy the waters/add some clarity(?).......
I agree with all you say, but according to Dan Routledge on twitter the order of teams will be decided by:-
1. points 2. Total points scored in all games 3. If 1. & 2. are the same, points difference in the H2H
Interesting thoughts about who finishes where. Earlier posts mention putting bench on for last quarter as game was already lost. If it comes down to points differences / points scored then will it be more important to play to the end with front line players in case a 25 point win suddenly becomes a 10 point win? That points difference could be crucial at the end. Projecting that further on in the season, previously a H to H always had a result 2/1 or 3/0, with the new league playing two games how much more important will points difference become? Will this season's league games see the end of the " playing the bench" in the last two minutes of a game. Will a 5/10/15/20 points difference in November matter in April??? Interesting thought!!!!! |
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Post by retsek on Nov 11, 2019 10:26:34 GMT
Following on from one of my earlier posts; Had a few chats with a few other people after the game and we couldn't work out, certainly couldn't agree on whether Rob P would have been ok with the loss tonight or not. As a coach and any other coach probably wouldn't have set out to lose. But did the result matter to him? He certainly appeared subdued tonight and quite relaxed at times - for him. Was it simply acceptance that his team was getting comfortable beaten, couldn't he give a jot? Having said that it didnt stop him having a few words with the refs, stepping on court, going out of his technical area. All things that some other coach would have got a T for, but for Rob quite calm. Acceptance or not bothered? We couldn't agree amongst us. Absolutely zero chance he wasn't bothered. None whatsoever. No coach of a team set up to win would accept or be happy with such a comprehensive loss at this stage of the season, whether you've qualified for the next round or not. |
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Post by stevetino on Nov 11, 2019 10:29:29 GMT
How much better is Lewis playing in a better team?
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Post by dyb dyb on Nov 11, 2019 12:02:34 GMT
I'm sure there was a post on here a couple of days ago saying that Riders would win in Sheffield... I maybe wrong, might have been in a different thread. But ups, oh dear. Some one got that wrong and if it has been taken off this thread... My apologies to everyone on here. What I saw was actually on twitter; as though someone would actually do that on here... |
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Post by Colicab85 on Nov 11, 2019 12:09:41 GMT
Not above saying Atiba appears to have done a decent a job in recruitment this year.
Would love an 8th player that can contribute meaningful minutes/stats but it seems to be working at the moment.
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Post by dyb dyb on Nov 11, 2019 12:11:32 GMT
Some confusion tonight about who finishes top of the group, mainly due to the fact thrown out that sharks had to win by 21 points to get above Riders in the H2H so to speak, points difference or whatever you want to call it. Sharks failed to do it so everyone thought that Riders had done enough and would finish top. However, they have now lost 3 games and sharks only 2. So a Sharks win against Rocks will mean them finishing top. Whereas a loss would mean both Riders and Sharks having 3 losses apiece and that would be where the points difference would come in and sharks needing the 21 point win. So, basically, sharks beat rocks they finish top. Lose and riders finish top on points difference against sharks in the 'H2H' Just to muddy the waters/add some clarity(?).......
I agree with all you say, but according to Dan Routledge on twitter the order of teams will be decided by:-
1. points 2. Total points scored in all games 3. If 1. & 2. are the same, points difference in the H2H
If, if, we beat Rocks on Friday then we will only have 2 losses against the Riders 3 and therefore more points i.e. 16 points against 14. End of. We finish top. It's only if we lose and therefore finish on the same number of losses as Riders that all the numbers, points difference etc etc come into play; which favour the Riders and would mean them finishing top and Sharks 2nd, both teams on 14 points.
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Post by dyb dyb on Nov 11, 2019 12:11:59 GMT
If, if, we beat Rocks on Friday then we will only have 2 losses against the Riders 3 and therefore more points i.e. 16 points against 14. End of. We finish top. It's only if we lose and therefore finish on the same number of losses as Riders that all the numbers, points difference etc etc come into play; which favour the Riders and would mean them finishing top and Sharks 2nd, both teams on 14 points. |
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Post by dyb dyb on Nov 11, 2019 12:20:14 GMT
Not above saying Atiba appears to have done a decent a job in recruitment this year. Would love an 8th player that can contribute meaningful minutes/stats but it seems to be working at the moment. I'm still awaiting/hoping for a replacement for Sedale. Any addition or replacement would help give others a rest or help out when we're in foul trouble. If at the same time they are indeed 'useful' and contribute, then more hope for us when it comes to the league.
We also started off with a trailest on the bench who has seemed to have disappeared without a trace or mention. Could/would his spot be filled, filling the bench even more? I suppose cost comes into that and how much money the Sharks have to throw at extending the bench really deep.
Great to be doing so well in the cup, but the league hasn't started yet and there is a long way to go before the end. Teams already making changes, additions. Can this current Sharks team compete for the whole upcoming season against good teams that might improve themselves?
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Post by stevetino on Nov 11, 2019 12:40:59 GMT
Time will tell but sharks look by far the most impressive unit so far this season mate
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Post by retsek on Nov 11, 2019 13:22:10 GMT
Just finished watching the game, this one looked like it was going to be a nice close contest the way the first played out, but we really clamped down on D in the second and third quarters (24 points conceded in 20 minutes is unreal). We seemed to read what Leicester were doing particularly well, and got our hands into the passing lanes time and time again, and they just didn't seem to be able to adapt. When you're holding an opponent to as few a points as we were, you only need 1 player to spark a run that can completely put the game out of reach, and yet again Lewis was that man. He's greatly exceeded my expectations this season and is filling Williams boots nicely.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 13:47:21 GMT
yet again Lewis was that man. He's greatly exceeded my expectations this season and is filling Williams boots nicely. On a GB passport, looking like an inspired signing, up there with Lawrence. |
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Post by dyb dyb on Nov 11, 2019 17:00:08 GMT
Just finished watching the game, this one looked like it was going to be a nice close contest the way the first played out, but we really clamped down on D in the second and third quarters (24 points conceded in 20 minutes is unreal). We seemed to read what Leicester were doing particularly well, and got our hands into the passing lanes time and time again, and they just didn't seem to be able to adapt. When you're holding an opponent to as few a points as we were, you only need 1 player to spark a run that can completely put the game out of reach, and yet again Lewis was that man. He's greatly exceeded my expectations this season and is filling Williams boots nicely. In one of my after games chats we were comparing Lewis and Williams, or rather a younger version of Lewis.
The opinion seemed to be that whereas Williams has all the skills he lacked consistency, creating headlining stuff one week but not doing so much the following, very similar to a younger Lewis. He showed some good skills in his earlier days but he went away (working on his own business) and had a year playing in the lower leagues. He got more court time and grew in confidence as well as maturity.
He has come back with all those skills he showed previously but is being a lot more consistent - being a better player on the whole than Williams.
Perhaps, maybe, Williams might come back having worked on his consistency.
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Post by dyb dyb on Nov 11, 2019 17:09:37 GMT
How much better is Lewis playing in a better team? Attiba appears to have recruited well. A good mix and the players have gelled well together. Playing proper team basketball with no individuals.
The whole team has bought into the same philosophy.
Nick and McKnight have a real good partnership going, with McKnight having his best season so far. With Crashaw, that is proving to be some combination.
No doubt Nick has come back with more maturity and consistency which is making a big difference to his game.
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