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Post by RaidersFan92 on Sept 18, 2020 8:48:15 GMT
With what eagles are doing tonight and the possibility of behind closed doors being here for a while; how happy would people be to pay to stream each of their teams’ games?
It could potentially bring in a modest income as they wouldn’t be limited by seat numbers.
Would you expect a split in ticket sales for each team based on who they’re watching or would you prefer the home team to take all income from their productions?
If paying for something like that, is it fair to assume that half time discussion and higher level of commentary is to be expected?
I think we could put on a fairly decent production including halftime analysis with our link to Marion and their sport journalism dept. A friend of mine did an amazing doc on the local non league team. But would others struggle? I know not everyone has the links to uni’s
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Post by stevetheballer on Sept 18, 2020 9:09:44 GMT
Without a shadow of a doubt. I have been thinking this for a while, if we can’t get fans in or at least for now and don’t know when we will be able to then just charge fans to watch it online. Then clubs are still making money which for me above all else is what it’s about.
We are in very uncertain times and the fear of losing my club in the summer wasn’t worth thinking about and not being able to get back to our lovely arena.
So I don’t care if what it takes to keep my club alive and watch the games on line and pay probably less than what I would have done going to the arena to watch a game. At the end of the day I was still going to pay for a ticket every week so might as well pay to watch it on line. Yes it’s not the same experience as watching it live but if it’s all we have got for now then I will take it.
It’s about giving the game a future and helping clubs survive and I think anyone that is a true fan of the game and their club this shouldn’t be an issue.
As for the quality of it, well I hope it’s miles better than it was last season cos the quality of the picture was terrible but I would have said that anyway not just cos am paying for it. But obviously because I am then I would expect it to be better.
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Post by D44 on Sept 18, 2020 9:13:12 GMT
I'd be happy to pay and have already paid for tonight's game. But as you say once the steams are paid for there is an expectation that the quality (and above all reliability) of the stream is decent. Personally for the first few games I'm happy to pay a fiver and get the usual YouTube stream quality and Uncle Jeff's excellent commentary 👍
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Post by LTFan on Sept 18, 2020 9:56:29 GMT
Count me in.
I'd be happy to pay to watch each Lions game online, something in the region of £5 per game.
I'd also be happy to buy an online season ticket to watch all games, something in the region of up to £100 I guess.
We've seen this model before with LiveBasketballTV (ok, I know not the best example), something like £10 a month for all BBL games or £50 for a season pass. Or going many years back, BBL TV.
I really think either the BBL as a whole or individual teams should be considering this, even with limited fans allowed in the venues.
As for the quality of the coverage, yeah I'd like to see an improvement on the LiveBasketballTV and YouTube coverage of the last couple of seasons... but right now I'd just be happy to watch the games at home and do my bit to still support Lions and the league.
If something like this isn't done then it's a real missed opportunity in my opinion. They're likely already committed to providing coverage as part of their deal with Stats Perform for the Watch & Bet service, so why not make some extra money from the fans at the same time.
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Sept 18, 2020 10:06:44 GMT
I subscribed to both bbl tv and livebasketball in the past. Would there be more of a demand/call for it to be more professional now with limited to no spectators allowed? I have raised a situation I’ve seen on a previous thread before, that could be a problem for numbers, is that many of the seats that are filled in arenas are people that are there for something to do that’s out of the rain rather than the basketball. So for instance raiders have just under 1500 and sell out occasionally but that doesn’t mean that those same numbers would invest in a streaming service.
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Post by youngrocks on Sept 18, 2020 12:01:24 GMT
Bbltv the quality of stream got better as the season went on. Live basketball the feed quality went down and down. The new high tech cameras produced crap quality video. The courts looked dark and the scores were slow updating. Id still pay haha
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Sept 18, 2020 12:35:26 GMT
Interesting thoughts. Bottom line thought whatever and however that idea is, its got to make money ( and a reasonable amount too) for the clubs. Technology is around for it as tonight's game should show but not al clubs have capability for it. Suspect the viewing numbers tonight will be high as everyone wants to watch a bit of BBL basketball whatever your opinion of it is. Could raise more interest in away supporters watching their team in far flung areas of the country e.g. Rocks and Raiders!!! Love to see it happen and very soon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 14:45:27 GMT
I'm at every home game anyway regardless so it's not a question for me so much but if I was paying to view I'd want more production value out of the product.
At the moment, just a feed from what is effectively a CCTV camera isn't great and can often be annoying. I'd like to see something at least along the lines of what Solent managed to put on for the first leg of the cup game last season at their place - Half-time sideline interview, second camera angle and so on.
If you're going to start putting a price on the product again you need to offer something more to show that it's worth it when it was free before... Which is a problem the BBL have created by making it free - Not that I disagree with making it free but they haven't really to considered that (from what I can tell) when it should be a paid product again, it needs to be show value for money.
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Post by LTFan on Sept 18, 2020 15:01:40 GMT
I subscribed to both bbl tv and livebasketball in the past. Would there be more of a demand/call for it to be more professional now with limited to no spectators allowed? I have raised a situation I’ve seen on a previous thread before, that could be a problem for numbers, is that many of the seats that are filled in arenas are people that are there for something to do that’s out of the rain rather than the basketball. So for instance raiders have just under 1500 and sell out occasionally but that doesn’t mean that those same numbers would invest in a streaming service. I don't think anyone is saying that'll happen. But if a game that would normally have 1,000 paying fans in attendance is having to be played with zero fans in attendance, surely 200 paying viewers is better than nothing. Or if restrictions limit the game to 300 paying fans in attendance, you might get another 50-100 additional paying viewers. It's all much needed extra money at the end of the day, no matter how much or little it is. |
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Post by LTFan on Sept 18, 2020 15:12:41 GMT
Interesting thoughts. Bottom line thought whatever and however that idea is, its got to make money ( and a reasonable amount too) for the clubs. Technology is around for it as tonight's game should show but not al clubs have capability for it. Suspect the viewing numbers tonight will be high as everyone wants to watch a bit of BBL basketball whatever your opinion of it is. Could raise more interest in away supporters watching their team in far flung areas of the country e.g. Rocks and Raiders!!! Love to see it happen and very soon. If the Perform Stats contract is still ongoing with the BBL all venues have to provide coverage of their games anyway as part of that deal. I assume that contract is still ongoing, it's a considerable revenue source for the BBL. Yes, the coverage isn't always great (dodgy automatic cameras, poor commentators, etc.), but it's already there, why not utilise it to provide some additional revenue? I understand the point that the BBL would essentially be charging for something that last season they were providing for free, but times have changes, and I think there's enough of a fan base to get a decent number of subscribers for these games. Like I said, if the games are happening, the coverage will exist. And if there's no plans to put all the games on YouTube again this year (I've seen nothing one way or the other on this yet) then not doing a BBL TV 2.0 would be a complete wasted opportunity to generate some additional income. |
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Post by mac on Sept 18, 2020 15:45:13 GMT
I think this is a brilliant idea. I suspect I am not the only one who renewed their season ticket knowing that attendance would be unlikely until there is an effective Covid 19 vaccine. To be able to watch a live stream instead suits me just fine. I am confident the quality will be okay, but frankly I would be content with Uncle Jeff and a hand held camera! Missing my weekly fix of BBL. For away games I would happily pay a fiver and I think all revenue should go to the organising club.
edit, thinking about it there are many games not featuring Eagles I wouldn't mind watching, Lions v Riders or Nix v Sharks for example.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 8:31:12 GMT
Has there been any announcement on how many paid last night. I saw lots saying they were but often people do when they don't plan on paying.
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Post by D44 on Sept 19, 2020 9:36:53 GMT
Has there been any announcement on how many paid last night. I saw lots saying they were but often people do when they don't plan on paying. From the Eagles Facebook page last night when people complained about not accessing the game; 🛠🚫🖥 We're aware of an issue some users are experiencing with the live stream and our provider's engineers are working on our servers which have been overwhelmed by the traffic. 🏀 Apologies and we'll keep the updates coming here and let you know when we're back for all users. Seemed to have more popular than expected. |
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Sept 19, 2020 11:08:11 GMT
I have asked the same Q on twitter. It would be hard to gauge the popularity of a streaming service based on one game one game with a basketball starved audience. It will still be interesting to know.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 19, 2020 12:19:34 GMT
I paid to watch the streamed games when you had to even when the world was normal
And of course would again now
It was very cheap though
Would pay a bit more but the fact is the income generated from this would barely cover the costs of team travel and the cost of refs/officials etc for the clubs
It's worked as a back up plan for football clubs who don't want to give out season ticket refunds
It's not going to be enough of an income generator for BBL clubs to do anything sadly
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 19, 2020 12:23:01 GMT
I have asked the same Q on twitter. It would be hard to gauge the popularity of a streaming service based on one game one game with a basketball starved audience. It will still be interesting to know. Big difference as well with one game to watch when nothing else happening basketball wise. With all the team's playing same weekend you are down much closer to fans of those teams only If you've got 1,000 fans paying to watch games live - there probably only 300 ish households in there amongst them Even if you got a third to pay 100 x £5 there's so little profit to be shared for the clubs after any admin and payment and streaming costs etc It can only ever be an add on to spectators in BBL |
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Post by warewolf on Sept 23, 2020 6:50:47 GMT
Bbltv the quality of stream got better as the season went on. Live basketball the feed quality went down and down. The new high tech cameras produced crap quality video. The courts looked dark and the scores were slow updating. Id still pay haha Up until last season there was a production team at each game, but last season they went to fixed motion sensing technology. Picture quality was acceptable in some bigger venues but smaller ones such as Surrey and Bristol had limited options to position their cameras so you got a weird on screen perspective. They will probably look at changing how it's done in those smaller gyms. |
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