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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 16:20:27 GMT
Fun innit?
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Post by billybadknees on Dec 9, 2020 16:57:01 GMT
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Post by notoriousbigz on Dec 10, 2020 9:10:09 GMT
Well, ironic as this may be given my stance on the situation, my other half tested positive the other day and I am somehow still negative. Weve contacted everyone weve been in touch with over the past 14 days (which quite frankly is not many people) and are currently cut off from the outside world! Track and Trace nowhere to be seen by the way - absolutely useless.
So, time to put my money where my mouth is. Shes absolutley fine, mild flu like symptoms but thats about it.
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Post by ko25 on Dec 10, 2020 10:09:14 GMT
Hope she makes a quick recovery!
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Post by notoriousbigz on Dec 10, 2020 10:13:36 GMT
Cheers mate!
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Post by lexumcomp on Dec 10, 2020 19:07:20 GMT
No. I'm young, healthy, very fit, and wouldn't trust the leaders of our country with anything after the handling and logic used to tackle this entire situation.
If I was older, or vulnerable, then yes I would.
Vaccines take years to test. If covid wasn't contagious and crippling the economy no vaccine would be close to existing.
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Post by lboroalum on Dec 11, 2020 0:02:33 GMT
The vaccine hasn't been developed too quickly, the blueprint for this type of vaccine has been around for a while. Medical research normally takes its time for 2 reasons, money and willing participants. The Oxford vaccine was tested on 10x as many people as most others before approval.
Long term effects of a vaccine don't really exist either- all traces of the vaccine are normally gone within 2-3 months, and the immune response is what remains.
Every new flu jab also takes around 9 months to produce too..(me and my whole family all have medical and medical research background)
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Post by lexumcomp on Dec 11, 2020 9:31:16 GMT
The vaccine hasn't been developed too quickly, the blueprint for this type of vaccine has been around for a while. Medical research normally takes its time for 2 reasons, money and willing participants. The Oxford vaccine was tested on 10x as many people as most others before approval. Long term effects of a vaccine don't really exist either- all traces of the vaccine are normally gone within 2-3 months, and the immune response is what remains. Every new flu jab also takes around 9 months to produce too..(me and my whole family all have medical and medical research background) How can anyone say there are no long term effects of the vaccine when the vaccine hasn't existed for no more than months? It hasn't existed long enough to know anything. Wasn't it the second day of the rollout this week that they discovered people with extreme allergies shouldn't take the vaccine? They didn't find that out till it was being given to people officially.. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 9:49:14 GMT
What's your solution? Continue this fcked-up existence with everyone holed up at home most of the time, wearing masks and the education system a mess (and believe me, it is)? I guess people with extreme allergies didn't volunteer for the trials but do you believe that the cure could possibly be worse than the disease?
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Post by notoriousbigz on Dec 11, 2020 9:58:21 GMT
What's your solution? Continue this fcked-up existence with everyone holed up at home most of the time, wearing masks and the education system a mess (and believe me, it is)? I guess people with extreme allergies didn't volunteer for the trials but do you believe that the cure could possibly be worse than the disease? Currently day 3 of 14 self isolating with a partner who has the virus. Right now its nothing more than a mild cold to us - shes still working like nothing has happened. That may change in the coming days, but right now (and I cant stress this enough) FOR US its nothing we cant handle. The worst part is the thought of passing it on to anyone more vulnerable. The virus is worse than the vaccine for some people, completely agree. But for us, the threat of a long term "oops we didnt realise this might be the case" (and yes, I do ask myself why the government indemnified Pfizer against any legal action whatsoever from the public in respect of the vaccine) was more of a threat than the sniffles and staying inside for 14 days (actually she only has to do 10). |
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Post by lexumcomp on Dec 11, 2020 10:16:21 GMT
What's your solution? Continue this fcked-up existence with everyone holed up at home most of the time, wearing masks and the education system a mess (and believe me, it is)? I guess people with extreme allergies didn't volunteer for the trials but do you believe that the cure could possibly be worse than the disease? My solution personally is not to take the vaccine as I'm young, very fit, and healthy. People who are old or have health problems, I agree should take the vaccine. Personally I don't understand why everyone has to be holed up. If you are old or Ill or unhealthy take the vaccine. Everyone else, wear a mask outside the house and crack on. |
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Post by lexumcomp on Dec 11, 2020 10:18:30 GMT
And yes, I do believe for a young person who is fit a d healthy, yes the rushed out saviour of a vaccine could potentially be worse than covid.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 11:37:22 GMT
Well let's hope you don't kill granny
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Post by lboroalum on Dec 11, 2020 12:10:12 GMT
The vaccine hasn't been developed too quickly, the blueprint for this type of vaccine has been around for a while. Medical research normally takes its time for 2 reasons, money and willing participants. The Oxford vaccine was tested on 10x as many people as most others before approval. Long term effects of a vaccine don't really exist either- all traces of the vaccine are normally gone within 2-3 months, and the immune response is what remains. Every new flu jab also takes around 9 months to produce too..(me and my whole family all have medical and medical research background) How can anyone say there are no long term effects of the vaccine when the vaccine hasn't existed for no more than months? It hasn't existed long enough to know anything. Wasn't it the second day of the rollout this week that they discovered people with extreme allergies shouldn't take the vaccine? They didn't find that out till it was being given to people officially.. The vaccine only stays in your system for 2-3 months post-injection at most, so any long term effects would of been seen. The mechanism behind it means there is virtually nil risk. It also uses a dead virus, so any adverse reaction would be almost instantaneous. The risk for those for extreme allergic reaction was told from the start- there is a difference between what the public are generally aware about and what information is actually told. |
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Post by lboroalum on Dec 11, 2020 12:13:05 GMT
What's your solution? Continue this fcked-up existence with everyone holed up at home most of the time, wearing masks and the education system a mess (and believe me, it is)? I guess people with extreme allergies didn't volunteer for the trials but do you believe that the cure could possibly be worse than the disease? Currently day 3 of 14 self isolating with a partner who has the virus. Right now its nothing more than a mild cold to us - shes still working like nothing has happened. That may change in the coming days, but right now (and I cant stress this enough) FOR US its nothing we cant handle. The worst part is the thought of passing it on to anyone more vulnerable. The virus is worse than the vaccine for some people, completely agree. But for us, the threat of a long term "oops we didnt realise this might be the case" (and yes, I do ask myself why the government indemnified Pfizer against any legal action whatsoever from the public in respect of the vaccine) was more of a threat than the sniffles and staying inside for 14 days (actually she only has to do 10). The government indemnified them as it reduces the time it takes to be rolled out- they are still liable for serious side effects (as all vaccine producers are). It was approved the MHRA, which has one of the strictest criteria in the world. |
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Post by lexumcomp on Dec 11, 2020 12:20:07 GMT
Well let's hope you don't kill granny Granny is taking the vaccine though? |
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Post by lexumcomp on Dec 11, 2020 12:25:12 GMT
How can anyone say there are no long term effects of the vaccine when the vaccine hasn't existed for no more than months? It hasn't existed long enough to know anything. Wasn't it the second day of the rollout this week that they discovered people with extreme allergies shouldn't take the vaccine? They didn't find that out till it was being given to people officially.. The vaccine only stays in your system for 2-3 months post-injection at most, so any long term effects would of been seen. The mechanism behind it means there is virtually nil risk. It also uses a dead virus, so any adverse reaction would be almost instantaneous. The risk for those for extreme allergic reaction was told from the start- there is a difference between what the public are generally aware about and what information is actually told. So you are telling me the risk for those with allergic reactions was told from the start, yet two NHS members with a history of extreme allergic reactions were still given the vaccine on day two of the roll out? So it was known but was not made public enough to stop two NHS workers from getting the vaccine.. sheeesh. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 12:45:12 GMT
Well let's hope you don't kill granny Granny is taking the vaccine though? Which is 90-95% effective. Let's hope she's not in the 5-10% |
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Post by lboroalum on Dec 11, 2020 12:46:45 GMT
The vaccine only stays in your system for 2-3 months post-injection at most, so any long term effects would of been seen. The mechanism behind it means there is virtually nil risk. It also uses a dead virus, so any adverse reaction would be almost instantaneous. The risk for those for extreme allergic reaction was told from the start- there is a difference between what the public are generally aware about and what information is actually told. So you are telling me the risk for those with allergic reactions was told from the start, yet two NHS members with a history of extreme allergic reactions were still given the vaccine on day two of the roll out? So it was known but was not made public enough to stop two NHS workers from getting the vaccine.. sheeesh. Yes, it's the same risk as for any vaccine. The problem is not with the vaccine itself- but the information about that. Don't get me wrong, I am pretty anti-establishment- but I'm just seperating the science and the capital agenda/education/media and public information. The former is solid, the latter ****e |
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Post by lexumcomp on Dec 11, 2020 12:54:17 GMT
Granny is taking the vaccine though? Which is 90-95% effective. Let's hope she's not in the 5-10% 5-10 percent chance her vaccine doesn't work alongside the miniscule odds she actually dies from it, if she even contracts the virus in the first place. Are those odds enough to pressure people who are very uncomfortable with trusting the vaccine into taking it? I think it's a tad unfair. |
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Post by dandayr on Dec 11, 2020 15:09:49 GMT
What's your solution? Continue this fcked-up existence with everyone holed up at home most of the time, wearing masks and the education system a mess (and believe me, it is)? I guess people with extreme allergies didn't volunteer for the trials but do you believe that the cure could possibly be worse than the disease? Currently day 3 of 14 self isolating with a partner who has the virus. Right now its nothing more than a mild cold to us - shes still working like nothing has happened. That may change in the coming days, but right now (and I cant stress this enough) FOR US its nothing we cant handle. The worst part is the thought of passing it on to anyone more vulnerable. The virus is worse than the vaccine for some people, completely agree. But for us, the threat of a long term "oops we didnt realise this might be the case" (and yes, I do ask myself why the government indemnified Pfizer against any legal action whatsoever from the public in respect of the vaccine) was more of a threat than the sniffles and staying inside for 14 days (actually she only has to do 10). and just like that, you are also just 10 days  hope all remains mild for your partner and quickly over it - and even better you stay free of it and at the end of 10 days you are both 'released' back to whatever random level your area may be in at that date. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Dec 11, 2020 15:28:18 GMT
Currently day 3 of 14 self isolating with a partner who has the virus. Right now its nothing more than a mild cold to us - shes still working like nothing has happened. That may change in the coming days, but right now (and I cant stress this enough) FOR US its nothing we cant handle. The worst part is the thought of passing it on to anyone more vulnerable. The virus is worse than the vaccine for some people, completely agree. But for us, the threat of a long term "oops we didnt realise this might be the case" (and yes, I do ask myself why the government indemnified Pfizer against any legal action whatsoever from the public in respect of the vaccine) was more of a threat than the sniffles and staying inside for 14 days (actually she only has to do 10). and just like that, you are also just 10 days hope all remains mild for your partner and quickly over it - and even better you stay free of it and at the end of 10 days you are both 'released' back to whatever random level your area may be in at that date. Cheers mate much appreciated - Tier 2 we are. Would be 3 but Boris wants to champion liverpool as his success story because we volunteered for mass testing. Truth is its a bit of a myth. Mass testing was only for people showing no symptoms, so chances were most were going to be negative tests. Skew the figures so Gov doesnt look bad though eh! |
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