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Post by drivethebody on Jan 11, 2021 8:16:22 GMT
I'm not sure what anyone expected the BBL to do. Certainly not the way I wanted to get to the final & I feel desperately sorry for Giants fans, management & players but these type of decisions have to be made. And whilst it gives Riders an advantage playing on their home court, it's happened before. Don't forget Giants were meant to be playing Lions on their home court, I didn't see anyone shouting farce then! I see dtb is coming up with his usual completely unsubstantiated bull**** as well. Never fails to take any opportunity to knock Lions & Vince. As Lions are now starting to play to their potential he can't criticise the coaching or the 'mood' in the camp , so he's changing his attacks( well some at least! He's still peddling the lie that Justin is unhappy with Vince and hates Kervin), luckily I think his credibility is so totally shot now that no one believes anything he writes. Hey Saintpat Don’t shoot the messenger! I’ve no axe to grind with anyone at LL (despite my South London bias of course (Royals RIP lol) You moaned about lack of info yourself on here from the social media side yet no moan with any info on here. Make yr mind up bro. And I was 100% right about the issues some had in the camp with Bristol (the player not Flyers) wasn’t I? |
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Post by LTFan on Jan 11, 2021 9:55:22 GMT
I'm not sure what anyone expected the BBL to do. Certainly not the way I wanted to get to the final & I feel desperately sorry for Giants fans, management & players but these type of decisions have to be made. Exactly. Someone in the Giants camp has tested positive for covid-19 over the weekend. They, and the majority of the team, now have to self isolate for 10 days in line with current government law. The date of the Cup final can't be moved, primarily due to Sky scheduling. And given the game is now 13 days away, short of rescheduling the Lions/Giants semi-final within the 3 days before the final there's really nothing else the BBL can do. |
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Post by number23 on Jan 11, 2021 10:21:01 GMT
So what happens if one or both of the teams that reach the final are affected by the virus? That would really finish it off well. I had the same question - what happens if Lions, or the winners of Eagles/Riders, is in a similar position later in the month? Does the losing semi-finalist get promoted to the final, or does the final get cancelled? Agree there’s not much else that could be done under the circumstances. It’s a blow to the competition and no small blow to Giants (who I’d like to see get their shot after the good work they’ve done), but we live in strange times... |
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Post by LTFan on Jan 11, 2021 10:30:28 GMT
So what happens if one or both of the teams that reach the final are affected by the virus? That would really finish it off well. Agree there’s not much else that could be done under the circumstances. It’s a blow to the competition and no small blow to Giants (who I’d like to see get their shot after the good work they’ve done), but we live in strange times... Who knows. But I suspect the BBL will have getting a Cup final game, in any possible way, in front of the Sky cameras as a priority - so I wouldn't rule out a losing semi-finalist somehow making it to the final for the sake of a game actually taking place. I really hope everyone involved is taking this seriously and doing everything they can not to catch the virus and jeopardise their team's position in the competition at this late stage. And to help achieve that perhaps they shouldn't be playing any league games in the 10 days before the final. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 10:58:00 GMT
I'm not sure what anyone expected the BBL to do. Certainly not the way I wanted to get to the final & I feel desperately sorry for Giants fans, management & players but these type of decisions have to be made. Exactly. Someone in the Giants camp has tested positive for covid-19 over the weekend. They, and the majority of the team, now have to self isolate for 10 days in line with current government law. The date of the Cup final can't be moved, primarily due to Sky scheduling. And given the game is now 13 days away, short of rescheduling the Lions/Giants semi-final within the 3 days before the final there's really nothing else the BBL can do. What difference would it make if the semi was three days before the final? There's not tickets to sell or programmes to print. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jan 11, 2021 11:06:26 GMT
Exactly. Someone in the Giants camp has tested positive for covid-19 over the weekend. They, and the majority of the team, now have to self isolate for 10 days in line with current government law. The date of the Cup final can't be moved, primarily due to Sky scheduling. And given the game is now 13 days away, short of rescheduling the Lions/Giants semi-final within the 3 days before the final there's really nothing else the BBL can do. What difference would it make if the semi was three days before the final? There's not tickets to sell or programmes to print. None. And the lack of effort in that regard makes the BBL look absolutely tinpot. |
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Post by LTFan on Jan 11, 2021 11:39:34 GMT
Exactly. Someone in the Giants camp has tested positive for covid-19 over the weekend. They, and the majority of the team, now have to self isolate for 10 days in line with current government law. The date of the Cup final can't be moved, primarily due to Sky scheduling. And given the game is now 13 days away, short of rescheduling the Lions/Giants semi-final within the 3 days before the final there's really nothing else the BBL can do. What difference would it make if the semi was three days before the final? There's not tickets to sell or programmes to print. Wouldn't it be a little unfair for Lions or Giants to only have 2 or 3 days notice that they're playing in the Cup final? I'm not only thinking about on court preparation, but also organising travel plans etc. Especially given there opponents will have had almost a 2 weeks to prepare. Also, this is a Sky game... and they're not going to be happy only knowing the teams playing 2 or 3 days prior... a lot of work goes into preparing that coverage. None of this is ideal, but I do think the BBL have taken the most sensible option - which is still only the best of a bad bunch. As I said before, if the Cup final wasn't being televised on Sky I suspect there might have been a different decision made. |
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Post by leamrider2 on Jan 11, 2021 12:24:08 GMT
Let's say Lions and Eagles are in the final. They both have positive Covid tests in the few days before. What then? The final becomes a game between two losing semi-finalists? What if Riders also had positive tests? Giants are given the cup? And Sky shows the potters wheel all afternoon?
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Post by stevetino on Jan 11, 2021 12:32:10 GMT
Eagles just have to play an away neutral venue
Match at riders court so we’ve had a Pretty raw deal but it is what it is
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Post by MansfieldMike on Jan 11, 2021 13:49:43 GMT
Eagles just have to play an away neutral venue Match at riders court so we’ve had a Pretty raw deal but it is what it is it could just as easily have been played at the ECA, but you got unlucky with the draw, just as Riders got unlucky in the Trophy draw. |
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Post by drivethebody on Jan 11, 2021 14:00:28 GMT
Exactly. Someone in the Giants camp has tested positive for covid-19 over the weekend. They, and the majority of the team, now have to self isolate for 10 days in line with current government law. The date of the Cup final can't be moved, primarily due to Sky scheduling. And given the game is now 13 days away, short of rescheduling the Lions/Giants semi-final within the 3 days before the final there's really nothing else the BBL can do. What difference would it make if the semi was three days before the final? There's not tickets to sell or programmes to print. Exactly- good point! The only diffeeence I guess is booking transport for the teams and prepping Sky Tv for their graphics etc |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 14:29:02 GMT
What difference would it make if the semi was three days before the final? There's not tickets to sell or programmes to print. Wouldn't it be a little unfair for Lions or Giants to only have 2 or 3 days notice that they're playing in the Cup final? I'm not only thinking about on court preparation, but also organising travel plans etc. Especially given there opponents will have had almost a 2 weeks to prepare. Also, this is a Sky game... and they're not going to be happy only knowing the teams playing 2 or 3 days prior... a lot of work goes into preparing that coverage. None of this is ideal, but I do think the BBL have taken the most sensible option - which is still only the best of a bad bunch. As I said before, if the Cup final wasn't being televised on Sky I suspect there might have been a different decision made. I reckon Giants would cope with not knowing whether they were in a cup final until three days beforehand. And i reckon a major sports broadcaster such as Sky could cope, as well. In the days of the Wembley weekend both semi-finals were the day before the final and they managed to do graphics etc. I suspect that if Lions had the plague and Giants were getting a bye to the final you'd have a different opinion. |
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Post by LTFan on Jan 11, 2021 14:49:02 GMT
Wouldn't it be a little unfair for Lions or Giants to only have 2 or 3 days notice that they're playing in the Cup final? I'm not only thinking about on court preparation, but also organising travel plans etc. Especially given there opponents will have had almost a 2 weeks to prepare. Also, this is a Sky game... and they're not going to be happy only knowing the teams playing 2 or 3 days prior... a lot of work goes into preparing that coverage. None of this is ideal, but I do think the BBL have taken the most sensible option - which is still only the best of a bad bunch. As I said before, if the Cup final wasn't being televised on Sky I suspect there might have been a different decision made. I reckon Giants would cope with not knowing whether they were in a cup final until three days beforehand. And i reckon a major sports broadcaster such as Sky could cope, as well. In the days of the Wembley weekend both semi-finals were the day before the final and they managed to do graphics etc. I suspect that if Lions had the plague and Giants were getting a bye to the final you'd have a different opinion. I honestly wouldn't. I don't like this. And feel that if Lions now go on to win the Cup it'll forever have a asterisk next to the title, in peoples minds even if not officially. Having said that, couldn't you argue that Giants possibly only got to the semi finals of this competition due to similar disruption in their group (of only 3 teams) in the earlier rounds? But I suppose this whole season, and the titles won, might ultimately be thought of in this way. I want Lions to win. But I want Lions to win fair. The sooner this whole thing is over the better. |
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Post by connors on Jan 11, 2021 14:56:59 GMT
Whether anyone likes it or not nearly all sports leagues, cups etc won last season and this probably will have some sort of * against them.
No fans, disrupted fixture lists, re-arrangements, extra subs (football) etc. It all has an impact compared to pre-covid results.
However I am a great believer in carrying on wherever possible and I commend the various leagues and sports for trying to do so. The temptation (perhaps even logic) must be huge for some sports to just jack it in, hope things are better and start again next season. I am sure that is what will happen with local grass roots sports now in a lot of cases for seniors and maybe even juniors.
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Post by drivethebody on Jan 11, 2021 15:22:13 GMT
Where is this years final? Is it still Glasgow?
(Or NIA)?
Although unless BBL have had to pay up front a big advance it may as well be at any small venue with a decent floor?
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Post by allstring on Jan 11, 2021 17:35:34 GMT
I reckon Giants would cope with not knowing whether they were in a cup final until three days beforehand. And i reckon a major sports broadcaster such as Sky could cope, as well. In the days of the Wembley weekend both semi-finals were the day before the final and they managed to do graphics etc. I suspect that if Lions had the plague and Giants were getting a bye to the final you'd have a different opinion. And feel that if Lions now go on to win the Cup it'll forever have a asterisk next to the title, in peoples minds even if not officially. Precedence says that not completing all fixtures results in no winner being declared (BBL 2019-2020 League season) ! Seriously though I don't buy that there isn't time to reschedule, especially as no supporters will be present. I suspect it was agreed at the start of the season that every match will be awarded against a team who is unable to compete. Which should mean that the Final could mean that the winner is decided the same way. But only those with access to the rules will know what has been agreed. I thought the BBL would be more flexible on their fixtures this season; especially in a sport where teams are capable of playing on consecutive days, and most certainly every other day (unlike Football that requires the Olympic Games to be extended so they get enough rest to play six games!). I'm interested what this means for the League where matches are being rescheduled. If they aren't all completed is there an agreement on who is Champion and does it relate to percentage of completed matches? I get the impression nothing has been shared publicly on this; possibly as if it happens the decision may depend on what appears "reasonable" at the time, which could mean either a Champion is agreed or another "no-result". |
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Post by saintpat on Jan 11, 2021 18:38:47 GMT
I think the BBL are facing some unfair criticism here, they've made a decision, I'm guessing given certain clubs forfeited earlier cup games that there is a precedent if not a rule.
Football clubs have been locked out of the FA Cup this season for not being able to complete their fixture, it might still happen to Shrewsbury!
There is nothing normal about this season, so tough decisions have to be made, if Lions are stopped from playing the final due to Covid, so be it( of course if that was the case it's also unlikely we'd get to play in Europe).
Didn't Rugby union swap a team in for a final in 2020?
I'm just very grateful the the clubs & the league have worked so hard so that I can actually watch some basketball.
I also wonder if so many people would be questioning the decision of it was Giants who got to the final not Lions!!
I've never supported a club that other fans are jealous of before, so this is a whole new experience for me!!
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Post by stevetino on Jan 11, 2021 19:51:34 GMT
Eagles just have to play an away neutral venue Match at riders court so we’ve had a Pretty raw deal but it is what it is it could just as easily have been played at the ECA, but you got unlucky with the draw, just as Riders got unlucky in the Trophy draw. Luck got nothing to do with it, it should have remained at a neutral venue |
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Post by drivethebody on Jan 11, 2021 21:09:53 GMT
Where is this years final? Is it still Glasgow? (Or NIA)? Although unless BBL have had to pay up front a big advance it may as well be at any small venue with a decent floor? Just seen it’s at the NIA. That does seem a bit excessive given no crowds. D’ya think it’s part of the contract with them to keep it there or could BBL have for just this year saved money etc by holding it a say Leicester or Manchester? |
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Post by dandayr on Jan 11, 2021 22:17:47 GMT
Where is this years final? Is it still Glasgow? (Or NIA)? Although unless BBL have had to pay up front a big advance it may as well be at any small venue with a decent floor? Just seen it’s at the NIA. That does seem a bit excessive given no crowds. D’ya think it’s part of the contract with them to keep it there or could BBL have for just this year saved money etc by holding it a say Leicester or Manchester? Cup has been using NIA - its the Trophy that has been using Glasgow. Where has it been announced 2021 is NIA? Would seem strange to use somewhere not being used by events and not use say Worcester that looked fine on the sky cameras, would be neutral and is not at one extreme or the other for travel by the finalists. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 22:52:52 GMT
I think the BBL are facing some unfair criticism here, they've made a decision, I'm guessing given certain clubs forfeited earlier cup games that there is a precedent if not a rule. Football clubs have been locked out of the FA Cup this season for not being able to complete their fixture, it might still happen to Shrewsbury! I also wonder if so many people would be questioning the decision of it was Giants who got to the final not Lions!! i think it's pretty obvious the FA/FL won't kick clubs out in the semi-finals of their cups. Similarly, games have been forfeited early in the competitions, but when there was doubts about Man City playing their league cup semi, they were going to postpone. I have a soft spot for Lions, but i think if it's even remotely possible to play the semi-final (and it is), they should get it played. |
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Post by scorcherheat on Jan 12, 2021 21:33:54 GMT
I see that Sevenoaks Suns have withdrawn from the WBBL cup final. Their place being taken by Nottingham who lost to Sevenoaks in the semi. This probably answers the question what would happen if London or Newcastle were unable to play in the BBL cup final
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Post by gloryeagle on Jan 13, 2021 1:39:51 GMT
Cup Final is at University of Worcester Arena.
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Post by drivethebody on Jan 13, 2021 3:21:52 GMT
Just seen it’s at the NIA. That does seem a bit excessive given no crowds. D’ya think it’s part of the contract with them to keep it there or could BBL have for just this year saved money etc by holding it a say Leicester or Manchester? Cup has been using NIA - its the Trophy that has been using Glasgow. Where has it been announced 2021 is NIA? Would seem strange to use somewhere not being used by events and not use say Worcester that looked fine on the sky cameras, would be neutral and is not at one extreme or the other for travel by the finalists. I saw it on the BBL website - still showing now actually -although sensible if above post is right to save a few sovs at Worcester www.bbl.org.uk/2021cup/ |
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