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Post by hersey427 on Jan 14, 2021 15:21:39 GMT
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Post by drivethebody on Jan 14, 2021 15:50:39 GMT
Always thought AJ was a pretty decent guy and player- we’ve played alongside and against each other many times in scrimmages- but don’t think I’d be happy having him coaching kids etc. A drugs ban is a drugs ban though and it would only take one parent to be annoyed for it to end in a sorry mess - never mind the probable CRB issue?
Maybe I’m being a prude here but there’s plenty of other ‘clean’ guys who could do that for the kids?
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Post by ballpark on Jan 14, 2021 20:39:20 GMT
Congratulations Dave, great pickup.
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Post by LTFan on Jan 14, 2021 22:08:43 GMT
Not getting into the rights and wrongs of it, but I thought he was still serving a 2 year ban for an anti-doping violation? The 2 year ban was announced in Jan 2020, following drugs found in a sample provided in May 2019 after the BBL Play Off final, so however you count it we’re still within the 2 years. So how have Oaklands signed him?
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Post by saintpat on Jan 14, 2021 22:43:21 GMT
Not getting into the rights and wrongs of it, but I thought he was still serving a 2 year ban for an anti-doping violation? The 2 year ban was announced in Jan 2020, following drugs found in a sample provided in May 2019 after the BBL Play Off final, so however you count it we’re still within the 2 years. So how have Oaklands signed him? Ban was reduced to 3 months, after serving a 19 month ban!! Go figure!!!
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Post by tonyleopard on Jan 15, 2021 10:01:13 GMT
Always thought AJ was a pretty decent guy and player- we’ve played alongside and against each other many times in scrimmages- but don’t think I’d be happy having him coaching kids etc. A drugs ban is a drugs ban though and it would only take one parent to be annoyed for it to end in a sorry mess - never mind the probable CRB issue? Maybe I’m being a prude here but there’s plenty of other ‘clean’ guys who could do that for the kids? Didnt seem to hurt Steve Bucknall doing work in basketball and working for BE
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Post by hersey427 on Jan 15, 2021 10:48:04 GMT
Always thought AJ was a pretty decent guy and player- we’ve played alongside and against each other many times in scrimmages- but don’t think I’d be happy having him coaching kids etc. A drugs ban is a drugs ban though and it would only take one parent to be annoyed for it to end in a sorry mess - never mind the probable CRB issue? Maybe I’m being a prude here but there’s plenty of other ‘clean’ guys who could do that for the kids? Another guy you love as a brother but..... There's a shock.
CRBs haven't existed for eight years. A criminal conviction doesn't necessarily preclude getting a clean DBS certificate. AJ doesn't have a criminal conviction, anyway.
The club can't (and won't) be run around the sensibilities of "only one parent". I doubt you are a prude, you have an agenda, because if you really do mix with all the players you've claimed to, you'd know that AJ isn't exactly one in a million when it comes to soft drugs.
As it currently stands and for the rest of this season, AJ is on our books purely as a players. So you can sleep easy.
Now I'm off to do covid-19 tests.
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Post by LTFan on Jan 15, 2021 11:05:10 GMT
Post deleted (after I did a bit of fact checking).
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Post by hersey427 on Jan 15, 2021 11:16:53 GMT
I'm intrigued.
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Post by drivethebody on Jan 15, 2021 15:31:46 GMT
Always thought AJ was a pretty decent guy and player- we’ve played alongside and against each other many times in scrimmages- but don’t think I’d be happy having him coaching kids etc. A drugs ban is a drugs ban though and it would only take one parent to be annoyed for it to end in a sorry mess - never mind the probable CRB issue? Maybe I’m being a prude here but there’s plenty of other ‘clean’ guys who could do that for the kids? Another guy you love as a brother but..... There's a shock.
CRBs haven't existed for eight years. A criminal conviction doesn't necessarily preclude getting a clean DBS certificate. AJ doesn't have a criminal conviction, anyway.
The club can't (and won't) be run around the sensibilities of "only one parent". I doubt you are a prude, you have an agenda, because if you really do mix with all the players you've claimed to, you'd know that AJ isn't exactly one in a million when it comes to soft drugs.
As it currently stands and for the rest of this season, AJ is on our books purely as a players. So you can sleep easy.
Now I'm off to do covid-19 tests.
I certainly don’t love him ‘as a brother’ (which is slightly a disturbing unpc thing to say tbh but ho hum) but like said he’s an ok guy. I’d just be uncomfortable with using him (or anyone with a similar back story) as a role model. I don’t expect people to be saints but if you do the crime do the time! Plenty of similar “squeaky clean” players out there who would be less controversial I guess.I think he even lost his coaching position at his college up in your area becAus of it (although if that’s incorrect my bad)? He’s a very decent pick up for yous guys which is great but I definitely have no agenda whatever that even means
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 15:53:38 GMT
I've always made my point on drug users very clear but I also believe in paying your dos
Hes done that so I see no issue with him suiting back up
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Post by hersey427 on Jan 15, 2021 15:56:24 GMT
Just parodying your comment about Joe Ick. I guess that was un-pc-like as well
He did. He served over 19 months of a three month ban. You've never passed comment on Steve Bucknell working for BE after a similar ban . But that's not on your agenda.
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Post by drivethebody on Jan 15, 2021 17:39:21 GMT
Just parodying your comment about Joe Ick. I guess that was un-pc-like as well
He did. He served over 19 months of a three month ban. You've never passed comment on Steve Bucknell working for BE after a similar ban . But that's not on your agenda. Agenda? Teams shouldn’t go round signing players with dodgy records then if you don’t expect to be questioned about these things. Yep it’s only a bit of coke or whatever which is common in society but if you’re a pro sportsperson and take anything like it you are a dickhead. Like a cabbie drink driving/ totally risking their livelihood. Not sure what Bucknall has to do with it (note the spelling- not your strong point going on your last few blogs lol)- he was a good player (before my time) but an idiot for doing it /getting caught and BE were their usual professional selves! I said AJ was a good pick up for your league- what’s that got to do with any agenda? He’d walk into any team in the league except maybe Thunder or Solent
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Post by borthwick on Jan 15, 2021 18:30:57 GMT
Or Hemel. Or Derby.
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Post by hersey427 on Jan 15, 2021 19:29:35 GMT
Just parodying your comment about Joe Ick. I guess that was un-pc-like as well
He did. He served over 19 months of a three month ban. You've never passed comment on Steve Bucknell working for BE after a similar ban . But that's not on your agenda. Agenda? Teams shouldn’t go round signing players with dodgy records then if you don’t expect to be questioned about these things. Yep it’s only a bit of coke or whatever which is common in society but if you’re a pro sportsperson and take anything like it you are a dickhead. Like a cabbie drink driving/ totally risking their livelihood. Not sure what Bucknall has to do with it (note the spelling- not your strong point going on your last few blogs lol)- he was a good player (before my time) but an idiot for doing it /getting caught and BE were their usual professional selves! I said AJ was a good pick up for your league- what’s that got to do with any agenda? He’d walk into any team in the league except maybe Thunder or Solent Always happy to answer questions. You haven't asked any. You've just said that because he made a mistake, AJ should never play in this country again; We shouldn't sign him (apparently there's a queue of similar quality players who live in driving distance of Oaklands) and he shouldn't be given a second chance. There's players who've served bans for similar offences in the close season, he lost an extra year (albeit a crazy one) for no real reason. I think any reasonable person - who doesn't jump on everything we do - would be okay with him getting a second chance. There is no second second chance. I presume you're going to home school your kids? Because the chances of them not coming into contact with a teacher who's smoked a joint are around about zero. And coke? Really?
While it's fun talking to you, I'd prefer to have frigging great sticks stuck up my nose. I've done both today. so it's actually a genuine comparison.
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Post by drivethebody on Jan 15, 2021 20:35:40 GMT
Agenda? Teams shouldn’t go round signing players with dodgy records then if you don’t expect to be questioned about these things. Yep it’s only a bit of coke or whatever which is common in society but if you’re a pro sportsperson and take anything like it you are a dickhead. Like a cabbie drink driving/ totally risking their livelihood. Not sure what Bucknall has to do with it (note the spelling- not your strong point going on your last few blogs lol)- he was a good player (before my time) but an idiot for doing it /getting caught and BE were their usual professional selves! I said AJ was a good pick up for your league- what’s that got to do with any agenda? He’d walk into any team in the league except maybe Thunder or Solent Always happy to answer questions. You haven't asked any. You've just said that because he made a mistake, AJ should never play in this country again; We shouldn't sign him (apparently there's a queue of similar quality players who live in driving distance of Oaklands) and he shouldn't be given a second chance. There's players who've served bans for similar offences in the close season, he lost an extra year (albeit a crazy one) for no real reason. I think any reasonable person - who doesn't jump on everything we do - would be okay with him getting a second chance. There is no second second chance. I presume you're going to home school your kids? Because the chances of them not coming into contact with a teacher who's smoked a joint are around about zero. And coke? Really?
While it's fun talking to you, I'd prefer to have frigging great sticks stuck up my nose. I've done both today. so it's actually a genuine comparison.
Judging from that incoherent post - it’s Friday evening and you’re probably 5 pints of cider down? Are you crazy? (Don’t answer that)! I have said he is a very good acquisition for Leopards! Which part of that aren’t you able to read? I have a particular aversion to drugs and think those who take them fools (my opinion and obviously not shared by everyone). But when it comes to sports people I think it’s stupid (given the rules that everyone knows)! People will always take them and many will get caught- that’s obvious. I don’t personally (you obviously do which is fine) think those caught should be allowed to do work with school kids etc. That’s just my moral stance. What you have stupidly taken from the posts is an ‘agenda’ against Leopards. Fool. In your eyes everyone who questions something is a basketball kit or has an agenda. You need to grow up a bit bro. For clarification - AJ is a good guy - a decent player but made a mistake which in position was stupid. As for the home schooling bit- good question - but then would I want my kids taught by a bitter little man who smells of cider- probably not either. Whilst I enjoy this batonage your retorts do get a bit tedious. I wasn’t having a go at Leopards so chill
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Post by hersey427 on Jan 16, 2021 10:45:04 GMT
Ah you can't win the argument, so you're reverted to insults. I can't draw pictures from you on here, so if you don't understand my post, I can't help you.
But if we signed the Pope and Mother Theresa to fill our back court, you'd find a problem. You have a disturbing obsession with me/Tom/Leopards/Wolves. Next time you're balling with AJ (if that's ever really happened) I suggest you introduce yourself and you can chat about how you think his career should be ended by one mistake. He's intrigued to find out who you are.
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Post by saintpat on Jan 16, 2021 13:09:53 GMT
Ah you can't win the argument, so you're reverted to insults. I can't draw pictures from you on here, so if you don't understand my post, I can't help you. But if we signed the Pope and Mother Theresa to fill our back court, you'd find a problem. You have a disturbing obsession with me/Tom/Leopards/Wolves. Next time you're balling with AJ (if that's ever really happened) I suggest you introduce yourself and you can chat about how you think his career should be ended by one mistake. He's intrigued to find out who you are. To be fair, I don't think he's the only player who'd like to know who he is!! 😂😂
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Post by drivethebody on Jan 16, 2021 16:35:45 GMT
Ah you can't win the argument, so you're reverted to insults. I can't draw pictures from you on here, so if you don't understand my post, I can't help you. But if we signed the Pope and Mother Theresa to fill our back court, you'd find a problem. You have a disturbing obsession with me/Tom/Leopards/Wolves. Next time you're balling with AJ (if that's ever really happened) I suggest you introduce yourself and you can chat about how you think his career should be ended by one mistake. He's intrigued to find out who you are. My only ‘obsession’ with you guys is that you are a very very prolific poster aligned to a team. You even have a daily blog about it. All I’ve done in the last however long it’s been is question why Leopards have gone from reasonalbly successful NBL team as I remembered them to not so successful (1 win in 7 or whatever it is) and question whether you needed a change in coach? (If that’s an obsession I’d expect you to call every sports / soccer journalist and fan obsessed as well as usually in sports if a team is playing like dog sh1t the manger or coach gets moved on. With AJ I certainly haven’t said his career should be ended for one mistake - just that anyone with drugs or doping convictions shouldn’t be allowed to coach or help impressionable kids. Now get off your high horse and have a cider x
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Post by hersey427 on Jan 16, 2021 19:09:13 GMT
Ah you can't win the argument, so you're reverted to insults. I can't draw pictures from you on here, so if you don't understand my post, I can't help you. But if we signed the Pope and Mother Theresa to fill our back court, you'd find a problem. You have a disturbing obsession with me/Tom/Leopards/Wolves. Next time you're balling with AJ (if that's ever really happened) I suggest you introduce yourself and you can chat about how you think his career should be ended by one mistake. He's intrigued to find out who you are. To be fair, I don't think he's the only player who'd like to know who he is!! 😂😂 I doubt he's met any of them. It's a lonely life under that bridge
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Post by drivethebody on Jan 16, 2021 19:32:44 GMT
To be fair, I don't think he's the only player who'd like to know who he is!! 😂😂 I doubt he's met any of them. It's a lonely life under that bridge Jesus here we go again. Just because I spoke about Leopards (and said not a negative word) people are tr077s? Grow up.
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Post by tonyleopard on Jan 16, 2021 20:16:19 GMT
[/quote] My only ‘obsession’ with you guys is that you are a very very prolific poster aligned to a team. You even have a daily blog about it. All I’ve done in the last however long it’s been is question why Leopards have gone from reasonalbly successful NBL team as I remembered them to not so successful (1 win in 7 or whatever it is) and question whether you needed a change in coach? (If that’s an obsession I’d expect you to call every sports / soccer journalist and fan obsessed as well as usually in sports if a team is playing like dog sh1t the manger or coach gets moved on.
With AJ I certainly haven’t said his career should be ended for one mistake - just that anyone with drugs or doping convictions shouldn’t be allowed to coach or help impressionable kids. Now get off your high horse and have a cider x[/quote]
If you have read Dave's blog regularly, you will realise why the teams results have not been as good over the last few seasons. Apart from the games at the Brentwood Centre it has proven night on impossible to attract a decent crowd. The costs associated with running a D1 team are high enough just having to pay out for venue hire, 3 referees, table officials and stats. Throw in kits, away travel, food, registrations amongst other things. So if there are not large paying crowds which would also help attract sponsors and you have all those costs there is not much left to attract players who want paying. Then you are trying to compete with teams paying up to 2k a month, having bench players living in seafront apartments, bring able to afford 2 Americans and top british players. Is it any wonder results havent been as good?
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Post by allstring on Jan 16, 2021 21:16:36 GMT
Teams paying up to 2k a month
Players living in seafront apartments
Now I see the attraction of the NBL to Kai Williams!
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Post by drivethebody on Jan 17, 2021 8:14:42 GMT
My only ‘obsession’ with you guys is that you are a very very prolific poster aligned to a team. You even have a daily blog about it. All I’ve done in the last however long it’s been is question why Leopards have gone from reasonalbly successful NBL team as I remembered them to not so successful (1 win in 7 or whatever it is) and question whether you needed a change in coach? (If that’s an obsession I’d expect you to call every sports / soccer journalist and fan obsessed as well as usually in sports if a team is playing like dog sh1t the manger or coach gets moved on. With AJ I certainly haven’t said his career should be ended for one mistake - just that anyone with drugs or doping convictions shouldn’t be allowed to coach or help impressionable kids. Now get off your high horse and have a cider x[/quote] If you have read Dave's blog regularly, you will realise why the teams results have not been as good over the last few seasons. Apart from the games at the Brentwood Centre it has proven night on impossible to attract a decent crowd. The costs associated with running a D1 team are high enough just having to pay out for venue hire, 3 referees, table officials and stats. Throw in kits, away travel, food, registrations amongst other things. So if there are not large paying crowds which would also help attract sponsors and you have all those costs there is not much left to attract players who want paying. Then you are trying to compete with teams paying up to 2k a month, having bench players living in seafront apartments, bring able to afford 2 Americans and top british players. Is it any wonder results havent been as good? [/quote] Oh I totally agree Tony and I did post a lengthy (I thought helpful) post a while back which got the usual ‘Tro77’ treatment rather than a ‘thanks some good ideas there which we may consider...”. The definition of stupidity is often said is doing the same things and expecting different results. I have no real knowledge of Leopards inside out but enough reading Daves posts (which I’d have thought we’re posted to create debate and promote the Club). And have no history of running a basketball club but do run a decent enough business. I said about brand and marketing which is poor. Social media very poor for a club with pro players (not unique in British basketball). Get a decent link with Middx Uni , get some interns in. Spread the fact there’s pro basketball within 30 mins of London/Herts towns, Uni campuses etc- it’s in a commuter belt (forgetting Covid for a minute) Dave has said the club has now become a development club which is fine- plenty of young players coming out of colleges at 17/18 - close to London and very accessible. Can’t see how AJ is a development player though (although as I’ve said he is a very good pick up to any club at that level). I did criticise Tom- not as a bloke but purely in a results based exercise. If results aren’t important fair enough but developing a fan base will be hard if that’s the case. All productive ideas no? Not one hint of an agenda there. Since joining the board Leopards are perhaps the most prolific of teams mentioned- hence peoples interest-that was the idea wasn’t it?
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Post by tonyleopard on Jan 17, 2021 10:11:19 GMT
All of the uni/college teams have experienced players which do help the development of the core of the teams. Most of the time it is overseas players purportedly to complete a masters. Loughborough also have Harrison Gamble who has played BBL for many years as well as spells in Europe. As for Tom, having seen how the teams improve over the course of a season, I know he is a good coach.
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