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Post by doners123 on Jan 17, 2021 19:27:40 GMT
Do managers ever get sacked for poor performances ?! Is it like football where if you are poor you switch or does this usually happen at the end of a season.
Raiders are currently 7-3 and outside the play offs. Can’t imagine our multi millionaire owners will be to impressed with how the team are doing at the moment.
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Post by gloryeagle on Jan 17, 2021 19:39:44 GMT
Very rare to see mid season departures in the BBL - Thankfully for Creon and PJ!
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jan 17, 2021 19:42:22 GMT
Do managers ever get sacked for poor performances ?! Is it like football where if you are poor you switch or does this usually happen at the end of a season. Raiders are currently 7-3 and outside the play offs. Can’t imagine our multi millionaire owners will be to impressed with how the team are doing at the moment. Its not usual no, but quite frankly the money hes spent PJ is a fraud. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 19:50:41 GMT
The lions coach is the last one I remember getting sacked mid season
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Post by jimboibrum on Jan 17, 2021 20:20:30 GMT
Do managers ever get sacked for poor performances ?! Is it like football where if you are poor you switch or does this usually happen at the end of a season. Raiders are currently 7-3 and outside the play offs. Can’t imagine our multi millionaire owners will be to impressed with how the team are doing at the moment. Its not usual no, but quite frankly the money hes spent PJ is a fraud. PJ contract ends at the end of this season. Will be interesting to see what happens then? Don't get me wrong I think PJ provided some stability after the Australian pairing, Gavin Love etc however I consider that he is now outcoached by his peers. |
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Post by bbqbill on Jan 17, 2021 21:08:10 GMT
I cant imagine PJ will return next season. He's been shocking his last 3 years. Awful recruitment the first 2 years, and backed with a fair bit of money this year, and really, the league results and position is not much different. He's had Lawrence's absence to deal with, but hes been given money to replace him, brought 2 americans in recently and they keep losing.
Questions have to be asked about his coaching, man management, and motivation.
In his post game videos, he always looks generally disinterested, and getting a bit fed up of "we'll learn, and then we'll go again.".
4 points up, at Newcastle, 36 seconds to go, and lose by 1. Newcastle are good, but theyre not the Newcastle of old.
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Post by stevetino on Jan 17, 2021 21:19:17 GMT
I cant imagine PJ will return next season. He's been shocking his last 3 years. Awful recruitment the first 2 years, and backed with a fair bit of money this year, and really, the league results and position is not much different. He's had Lawrence's absence to deal with, but hes been given money to replace him, brought 2 americans in recently and they keep losing. Questions have to be asked about his coaching, man management, and motivation. In his post game videos, he always looks generally disinterested, and getting a bit fed up of "we'll learn, and then we'll go again.". 4 points up, at Newcastle, 36 seconds to go, and lose by 1. Newcastle are good, but theyre not the Newcastle of old. Funny that PJ gets nearly all his teams to play well against Eagles’ in particular, it was exactly the same score at the pavilions earlier in the season |
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Post by dandayr on Jan 17, 2021 23:07:01 GMT
The lions coach is the last one I remember getting sacked mid season sacked - or depart by mutual agreement? Twice in Glasgow in last 4 seasons. First one though was not believed to be results based, 2nd one I think was a change in direction |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 23:11:48 GMT
The lions coach is the last one I remember getting sacked mid season sacked - or depart by mutual agreement? Twice in Glasgow in last 4 seasons. First one though was not believed to be results based, 2nd one I think was a change in direction Sacked then vince took over, actually thr Glasgow sacking 2 years ago was more recent. You've also got the Jay Marriott and Gavin Love sacking in Plymouth, Worcester coach went few years back but he quit I believe after his heart attack. |
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Post by doners123 on Jan 17, 2021 23:35:30 GMT
I don’t want to wish anyone out of a job !
But we currently stand outside the play offs ! I mean anybody want to guess roughly what position our budget is in the league ?!
I hope he proves me wrong but a combined table of this season and last wouldn’t be pretty reading for PJ
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Post by sleepytopcat on Jan 18, 2021 10:58:42 GMT
One of the attractions of the BBL for me, is the lack of constant changes in management. One of the reasons may be the very small number of contributors on this forum, where most folk do at least have a love of the sport. The constant churn of players is bad enough at many clubs, its really hard to get a rapport when every season virtually the whole roster changes.
However I just hope we never get to the absurdity of football, where the brainless never seem to realise that in a 20 team league there can only be 1 winner and 3 or 4 challengers.
I was quite sad when PJ left us, as he did a pretty solid job at Worcester. However I think we ultimately got the better of the bargain , as we now have the best coach in the bbl with Matt Newby. One day, with patience I`m sure he will build us a team to challenge at the top.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 12:38:04 GMT
I can think of only one mid-season change that has ever really worked in my 20+ years of watching British basketball. It's not a big sample size. The exception that proved the rule was Billy Mims taking over at Leicester shortly after the old Leopards had fired him. Riders were doing so badly it would also have been an achievement not to improve them, but he did very well the following season before it went spectacularly badly. Darling's sacking was in 1999, so that kinda' proves my point. The lack of relegation in the BBL is a big part of the lack of mid-season coaching changes as is the limit on import changes because by the time a decision is made the new guy won't be able to make (m)any personnel changes. I talked the original Leopards owners out of firing Mike Taylor in our final season, despite the fact he drove me mental, and I twice talked fellow board members out of firing a coach at Leopards II. We won trophies both years, so I can be smug. The only mid-season change we made was a mutual decision, and although performances improved we still went down. |
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Post by bullets92 on Jan 18, 2021 16:35:51 GMT
I remember we sacked an American with a 2-10 record for his assistant (Darren Ling?) who preceded to go something like
0-32
Sometimes biting the bullet....pun intended....isn’t always the best answer!
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Post by Solly on Jan 18, 2021 16:52:47 GMT
I remember we sacked an American with a 2-10 record for his assistant (Darren Ling?) who preceded to go something like 0-32 Sometimes biting the bullet....pun intended....isn’t always the best answer! Yes, Bown's ownership of Bullets certainly saw quite a few coaches in a short time period.
He even brought the wild-eyed Steve Tucker back for a third go in the BBL, even though Tucker had previously asserted that he was too good to coach in the BBL!
And wasn't there some story going around about Ling later moving on to a very highly paid IT job?
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jan 18, 2021 23:11:48 GMT
I cant imagine PJ will return next season. He's been shocking his last 3 years. Awful recruitment the first 2 years, and backed with a fair bit of money this year, and really, the league results and position is not much different. He's had Lawrence's absence to deal with, but hes been given money to replace him, brought 2 americans in recently and they keep losing. Questions have to be asked about his coaching, man management, and motivation. In his post game videos, he always looks generally disinterested, and getting a bit fed up of "we'll learn, and then we'll go again.". 4 points up, at Newcastle, 36 seconds to go, and lose by 1. Newcastle are good, but theyre not the Newcastle of old. Not so sure about that - they look well balanced and are showing 'refuse to lose' grit & determination. |
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Post by stevetino on Jan 19, 2021 12:50:09 GMT
I cant imagine PJ will return next season. He's been shocking his last 3 years. Awful recruitment the first 2 years, and backed with a fair bit of money this year, and really, the league results and position is not much different. He's had Lawrence's absence to deal with, but hes been given money to replace him, brought 2 americans in recently and they keep losing. Questions have to be asked about his coaching, man management, and motivation. In his post game videos, he always looks generally disinterested, and getting a bit fed up of "we'll learn, and then we'll go again.". 4 points up, at Newcastle, 36 seconds to go, and lose by 1. Newcastle are good, but theyre not the Newcastle of old. Not so sure about that - they look well balanced and are showing 'refuse to lose' grit & determination. The bench 5 did better than the starting five against Eagles MRF and pj kept them on as it was working |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 1:05:31 GMT
Never mind the coach getting sacked. I wished Big Duncan Disorderly would sack himself, sell up and move on. He's the biggest fraud that's ever been in the BBL.
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Post by faz on Jan 22, 2021 3:50:13 GMT
Generally I think clubs are pretty realistic about where they sit in the league. Highly dependant on budget and it’s not as though most bbl coaches make much so there’s not a long list of decent coaches lining up for positions.
Lyons has been at sharks as long as I can remember and will be as a director for as long as he chooses. Despite criticism he’s still got one of the better records in the bbl
Kapoulis at Flyers as well
Rob at Riders
Fab at Eagles now McLeod
Creon seems pretty much untouchable at scorchers
Raiders, Phoenix, Worcester and Rocks have all had their silly periods changing coaches for various reasons without any semblance of lasting improvement. Maybe Newby will buck the trend.
Coaches tend to change when there’s ownership changes or fall outs within the club.
Leaves giants and Lions. I’m guessing Jeff stayed at Giants as long as he wanted snd don’t see Danny moving on
Vince and Lions who knows?
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Post by connors on Jan 22, 2021 7:54:29 GMT
Difficult job being a BBL Head Coach. Constant changing of playing personnel and very hard to build a home grown squad from youth as the most talented players are probably already abroad playing at US Colleges and if successful will look for lucrative careers elsewhere.
Obviously Eagles long period of success is a shining example of how it can be done.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 13:17:48 GMT
Plea to mods. Change the bloody title. We're talking about coaches, not managers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 19:54:53 GMT
Fair point, I dont know how tho
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