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Post by lochrocks on Mar 1, 2021 12:27:22 GMT
Mark Woods must look at Whatsbev as well..
If you listen to virtually any interview with Gareth he really does not want to be a player/coach but we live in very strange times.
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Can’t believe there are folk online wanting Gareth Murray axed as Glasgow Rocks coach. It’s his first year, in incredibly difficult circumstances, with just 2 Americans and limited access to facilities to work out. He has a great hoops IQ and he’s local (ish). Cut him slack peeps
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Post by birmbullet81 on Mar 1, 2021 13:03:07 GMT
Mark Woods must look at Whatsbev as well.. If you listen to virtually any interview with Gareth he really does not want to be a player/coach but we live in very strange times. Mark Woods @markbritball · 27m Can’t believe there are folk online wanting Gareth Murray axed as Glasgow Rocks coach. It’s his first year, in incredibly difficult circumstances, with just 2 Americans and limited access to facilities to work out. He has a great hoops IQ and he’s local (ish). Cut him slack peeps I think that no one argues he is great guy for GB, rocks organisation, possible future as coach. Find any successful organisation/coach and see the hard work put in. Gareth needed time to maybe, coach, before being thrown to the wolves to speak. Same mistake made with D. Wood, and now the rocks are stuck and wasting his last quality playing years. Should have been assistant, development coach for 3/4 years with the rocks/Scotland and built a profile, confidence. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 13:39:31 GMT
Duncan got it absolutely wrong this season. He's been unwilling or unable to spend the money to make his franchise finish in the playoffs positions and I never thought I'd see a Rocks team finish bottom of the BBL but here we are. He's lurched from one disaster to the next since the binning of Sterling. Not a huge fan of Duncan's personally. But a couple of notes on what you've said here. First of all I wouldn't call the Lavandier period at the Rocks a disaster at all. They were top of the league last year before everything ended abruptly and who knows what would've happened had the dreaded C word not hit. As for not spending money this year, we're in the middle of a pandemic where the main income source for a basketball club has essentially been turned off. I'm actually surprised at the level that's been spent on players by the majority of the league this year and didn't expect the standard to be so high. I really don't think you can have a go at an owner for cutting their cloth accordingly?!? Also, from what I understand the Rocks are under much more strict guidelines with regards to how often they can't train etc. Surely at least for this season they deserve a pass? When we were top of the league Duncan managed to turn that into a disaster. He went around the Press blaming the BBL, Nicola Sturgeon and anyone he could for the remaining games not getting finished. He even had everyone other BBL team ripping the piss right out the franchise for being 80% champions. That was a disaster for me. Im not too sure at all how every other team can afford better players than us when we were one of the best franchises in the league for so many years. |
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Post by youngrocks on Mar 1, 2021 17:12:19 GMT
Mark Woods must look at Whatsbev as well.. If you listen to virtually any interview with Gareth he really does not want to be a player/coach but we live in very strange times. Mark Woods @markbritball · 27m Can’t believe there are folk online wanting Gareth Murray axed as Glasgow Rocks coach. It’s his first year, in incredibly difficult circumstances, with just 2 Americans and limited access to facilities to work out. He has a great hoops IQ and he’s local (ish). Cut him slack peeps I think that no one argues he is great guy for GB, rocks organisation, possible future as coach. Find any successful organisation/coach and see the hard work put in. Gareth needed time to maybe, coach, before being thrown to the wolves to speak. Same mistake made with D. Wood, and now the rocks are stuck and wasting his last quality playing years. Should have been assistant, development coach for 3/4 years with the rocks/Scotland and built a profile, confidence. In fairness Gareth has been working as a coach for a number of years at Glasgow uni, at scotland age grade levels and rocks college stuff. |
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Post by jdanielsglasgow on Mar 1, 2021 19:38:42 GMT
Mark Woods must look at Whatsbev as well.. If you listen to virtually any interview with Gareth he really does not want to be a player/coach but we live in very strange times. Mark Woods @markbritball · 27m Can’t believe there are folk online wanting Gareth Murray axed as Glasgow Rocks coach. It’s his first year, in incredibly difficult circumstances, with just 2 Americans and limited access to facilities to work out. He has a great hoops IQ and he’s local (ish). Cut him slack peeps I think that no one argues he is great guy for GB, rocks organisation, possible future as coach. Find any successful organisation/coach and see the hard work put in. Gareth needed time to maybe, coach, before being thrown to the wolves to speak. Same mistake made with D. Wood, and now the rocks are stuck and wasting his last quality playing years. Should have been assistant, development coach for 3/4 years with the rocks/Scotland and built a profile, confidence. I have to strongly disagree with you here! Coach Gareth has more than enough experience and talent to become a head coach of a BBL club. From all his playing years with GB and the years playing in the BBL, he has built an excellent IQ and feel for the game. He says it himself, he is a perfectionist so I have no doubt that he isn't happy with the way things are going either but we need to give him a break. It's irregular times at the moment so we must give him time and allow him to build his own squad and have the time to develop under normal times. To say that Gareth doesn't have enough coaching experience is ridiculous. Both Gareth and the assistant coach Sean have worked together at Glasgow Uni for a number of years. They obviously have built upon their experiences and both work well together. That is shown from how well the Glasgow Uni Basketball program performs. On top of that, Gareth has coached at a number of high profile camps with some top coaches for the States. To say anything other than he is fit for this job is ludicrous! |
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Post by birmbullet81 on Mar 1, 2021 19:50:23 GMT
In fairness Gareth has been working as a coach for a number of years at Glasgow uni, at scotland age grade levels and rocks college stuff. [/quote] My point exactly 🤦🏻♂️. Not exactly pressure, or result oriented situations of even the lowest calibre of competitive ranks. |
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Post by birmbullet81 on Mar 1, 2021 19:56:08 GMT
I think that no one argues he is great guy for GB, rocks organisation, possible future as coach. Find any successful organisation/coach and see the hard work put in. Gareth needed time to maybe, coach, before being thrown to the wolves to speak. Same mistake made with D. Wood, and now the rocks are stuck and wasting his last quality playing years. Should have been assistant, development coach for 3/4 years with the rocks/Scotland and built a profile, confidence. I have to strongly disagree with you here! Coach Gareth has more than enough experience and talent to become a head coach of a BBL club. From all his playing years with GB and the years playing in the BBL, he has built an excellent IQ and feel for the game. He says it himself, he is a perfectionist so I have no doubt that he isn't happy with the way things are going either but we need to give him a break. It's irregular times at the moment so we must give him time and allow him to build his own squad and have the time to develop under normal times. To say that Gareth doesn't have enough coaching experience is ridiculous. Both Gareth and the assistant coach Sean have worked together at Glasgow Uni for a number of years. They obviously have built upon their experiences and both work well together. That is shown from how well the Glasgow Uni Basketball program performs. On top of that, Gareth has coached at a number of high profile camps with some top coaches for the States. To say anything other than he is fit for this job is ludicrous! Guessing you used to work for rocks. Basketball is basketball.... if those two qualify as qualified, compared to the rest of the league, which if compared to the world, is among the lowest levels of professional basketball. So the rocks have one of the least qualified coaches, in one of the lower levels of basketball hierarchy which mind you, has some very good coaches in it.... but the fans should rest assured, because the staff have vast amounts of coaching experience at a university, that doesn’t compete in a league that keeps score? Simple people think you can stick someone on any sporting bench and win. Last place, repeated next season. Insanity |
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Post by samgray on Mar 1, 2021 20:20:30 GMT
I have to strongly disagree with you here! Coach Gareth has more than enough experience and talent to become a head coach of a BBL club. From all his playing years with GB and the years playing in the BBL, he has built an excellent IQ and feel for the game. He says it himself, he is a perfectionist so I have no doubt that he isn't happy with the way things are going either but we need to give him a break. It's irregular times at the moment so we must give him time and allow him to build his own squad and have the time to develop under normal times. To say that Gareth doesn't have enough coaching experience is ridiculous. Both Gareth and the assistant coach Sean have worked together at Glasgow Uni for a number of years. They obviously have built upon their experiences and both work well together. That is shown from how well the Glasgow Uni Basketball program performs. On top of that, Gareth has coached at a number of high profile camps with some top coaches for the States. To say anything other than he is fit for this job is ludicrous! Guessing you used to work for rocks. Basketball is basketball.... if those two qualify as qualified, compared to the rest of the league, which if compared to the world, is among the lowest levels of professional basketball. So the rocks have one of the least qualified coaches, in one of the lower levels of basketball hierarchy which mind you, has some very good coaches in it.... but the fans should rest assured, because the staff have vast amounts of coaching experience at a university, that doesn’t compete in a league that keeps score? Simple people think you can stick someone on any sporting bench and win. Last place, repeated next season. Insanity Sorry but you are talking ****e mate. |
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Post by birmbullet81 on Mar 1, 2021 21:09:25 GMT
You right, every other league in the world got it wrong. Wont see inexperienced anything in the Spanish 4th, German 3rd leagues - let alone player/coach.
How do they develop their players, turning coaches 🤔.
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Post by davef on Mar 1, 2021 21:11:34 GMT
On that basis no-one would ever get a first pro coaching job.
Makes no sense
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Post by jdanielsglasgow on Mar 1, 2021 21:13:05 GMT
I have to strongly disagree with you here! Coach Gareth has more than enough experience and talent to become a head coach of a BBL club. From all his playing years with GB and the years playing in the BBL, he has built an excellent IQ and feel for the game. He says it himself, he is a perfectionist so I have no doubt that he isn't happy with the way things are going either but we need to give him a break. It's irregular times at the moment so we must give him time and allow him to build his own squad and have the time to develop under normal times. To say that Gareth doesn't have enough coaching experience is ridiculous. Both Gareth and the assistant coach Sean have worked together at Glasgow Uni for a number of years. They obviously have built upon their experiences and both work well together. That is shown from how well the Glasgow Uni Basketball program performs. On top of that, Gareth has coached at a number of high profile camps with some top coaches for the States. To say anything other than he is fit for this job is ludicrous! Guessing you used to work for rocks. Basketball is basketball.... if those two qualify as qualified, compared to the rest of the league, which if compared to the world, is among the lowest levels of professional basketball. So the rocks have one of the least qualified coaches, in one of the lower levels of basketball hierarchy which mind you, has some very good coaches in it.... but the fans should rest assured, because the staff have vast amounts of coaching experience at a university, that doesn’t compete in a league that keeps score? Simple people think you can stick someone on any sporting bench and win. Last place, repeated next season. Insanity I have never worked with the rocks organisation so I don't know where you came up with that comment? The fact that you mention "the staff have vast amounts of coaching experience at a university, that doesn’t compete in a league that keeps score?" just goes to show how lacking your understanding of basketball really is. The university compete in the Scottish national League, division 1 mind you. And they also compete in division 1 of the BUCs league which if I'm not mistaken, I believe they won. So yeah, doesn't compete in a league that keep scores is utter rubbish. Just embarrassing yourself now. |
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Post by birmbullet81 on Mar 1, 2021 21:22:59 GMT
On that basis no-one would ever get a first pro coaching job. Makes no sense Or. They start as an assistant/ player development. |
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Post by davef on Mar 1, 2021 21:30:33 GMT
Well it worked for two current nba head coaches and one assistant.
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Post by birmbullet81 on Mar 1, 2021 21:38:22 GMT
Well it worked for two current nba head coaches and one assistant. And that’s why everyone holds onto it HERE, as a good idea. Fab was special, Finch was a LIFER coach. Different time and different cases. What can you say, bring back Mr. Reed, much more entertaining. |
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Post by allstring on Mar 1, 2021 22:53:34 GMT
I just don't get the issue with Murray. For me he's high on the list of a player who MAY potentially become a top coach. This Millenium the vast majority of BBL trophies have been won by coaches who were former players in the league. And I wouldn't suggest any of them were star players although a common link is they were all highly regarded by their team and opponents.
Rocks have had the hardest job this season. By far the most likely coach to have departed (and he did). In a country with different rules both now and likely going forward. In a season that was going to be tough for anyone. Not surprised they haven't pushed the boat on expensive signings.
In the last two completed seasons, six of the current clubs missed the play-offs. Sheffield made the cut in 8th one of those years. This is the same period Lions jumped from a solid mid table club to one of the Big Three. That leaves Glasgow. They are not that big, I think it's nearly 20 years since they won a Trophy. Every other franchise except Manchester and Bristol has in that period. So a season missing the play-offs isn't that surprising.
Rocks were great last year and had a serious chance to win it all. So equally that's not a franchise in a mess as some would suggest. Nothing this season suggests Murray is a failure. I think he's learnt loads. The Rocks could get rid of him, but I suspect he'll get another BBL gig where he'd be a success.
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Post by borthwick on Mar 2, 2021 10:26:51 GMT
For goodness sake he has been given the weakest roster in the league. He has two Americans. They have a very young inexperienced team. What do you expect when you compete with teams with four imports and good Euros? I doubt anyone would do much better. Any he will have learnt a lot.
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