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Post by connors on Mar 17, 2021 6:51:58 GMT
Not sure if this should go in the NBL thread or even whether we should start a general grass roots basketball thread. Many on here will have received the communication from BE effectively asking for last seasons fees to be "donated" to them. Pretty poor for a National Governing Body of a sport that historically does not have clubs rolling in money....quite the opposite. The reality of course is some clubs (the one I am with) can probably afford to do so and we also did not take money off the players/parents for the season that did not happen. Our chairman is not happy about it and neither is this bloke Money for Nothing . Basically they are right. Our GB is not well run. There are many good basketball people working for it and with it. It just cannot seem to get over the hump. Personally I paid my fees and they can keep them. They should be sending the clubs money back with an offer to donate it if you want. Not the other way around. |
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Post by connors on Mar 17, 2021 8:19:42 GMT
Basketball England announcement on fees paid for 2020/21 season
Basketball England has worked hard to maintain services for the basketball community since being forced to curtail the 2019/20 season in March of last year because of the Covid-19 outbreak.
Our work has focused on supporting clubs, programmes and individuals since the decision was made to cancel all but elite basketball for the 2020/21 season.
This has been done against a financially challenging backdrop for the organisation which has unfortunately led to staff redundancies and furloughing along with spending and salary cuts.
Despite that, and seriously reduced staff numbers, BE has been determined to maintain a strong level of service, including:
Return to Play guidance and support
Government and Sport England lobbying for basketball
Tackling Inequalities Funding
Safeguarding and compliance advice and procedures
Full Insurance cover and support
Club support online and via a series of webinars
Developing the GiveToLocal initiative to support clubs
Officiating support and training with new online courses
Coaching support and training with new online courses
Project Swish and the distribution of free nets
Winter Survival funding support for clubs from Sport England
Development of a new online shop with additional products
Maintaining and building NBL communications alongside NBL live streaming
We fully understand many individuals and clubs have experienced financial challenges during recent months and a number have requested updates on how fees paid for the 2020/21 season are to be treated.
With the above information in mind, the Basketball England Audit, Finance and Risk (AFR) Committee has reviewed the options available.
The following points should be noted:
NBL Division One Men and Women’s leagues have taken place albeit with no attendance income but support has been obtained via the Winter Survival Fund.
We have recently announced our updated roadmap and guidance in relation to returning to training and basketball activity which starts with outdoor basketball from 29 March. All organised basketball sessions under the terms of our Return to Play guidance must be undertaken by affiliated clubs and participants must be registered members of Basketball England.
The same will apply to any competitions run over the summer should such activity be permitted. BE will endeavour to keep members updated with developments to do with summer activity including 3x3 and other competitions.
The fees under consideration are:
+ Area association affiliation fees
+ All BUCS products (including membership fees)
+ NBL and WNBL team entry fees (below Division 1)
+ Individual licenses (playing, coaching, bench personnel, officiating)
The review will not cover club affiliations, membership fees and local league playing licences as a result of the service levels which have been maintained as listed above.
Bearing in mind the serious reduction in BE income over the past 12 months and the challenges faced right across the game, the view of the AFR Committee is that members should have the opportunity to support BE as your National Governing Body, but also should they need, to plan for the season ahead.
We believe the best options open to us are as follows:
To enable the clubs and individuals listed at point 4 above to waive their fees for the 2020/21 season, in effect donating them to help BE plan for a possible Return to Play in the summer.
This would mean that all clubs and members would be affiliated and fully covered for insurance and other benefits until 31 August 2021 - OR:
To allow those clubs and individuals to roll their 2020/21 fees over to the 2021/22 season.
Matt Neville, Chair of Basketball England said: “We fully appreciate that everyone in basketball has suffered because of the pandemic and it has been incredibly challenging financially and because of the lack of access to the sport.
"We have worked hard as an organisation to steer the basketball community through this period safely and offer support, but the lack of basketball and associated income has put huge financial strain on your national governing body.
"Anyone able to donate fees paid to support BE in building for the future would be doing great service to the game to help basketball come out of the pandemic on a sure financial footing and help BE plan and prepare for a brighter future.”
Select the relevant option below to waive/donate your fees to Basketball England or to roll your fees over to the 2021/22 season.
Any waiver/donations will be actioned within 28 days.
Any rollovers will be actioned in July ahead of the 2021/22 season.
If we don’t hear from you before 30 April 2021, we will retain any 2020/21 fees as a donation.
If you are withdrawing altogether from Basketball England leagues and competitions, with no plans to rejoin during 2021/22, you will be eligible for a refund. Please select from the relevant options below to claim a refund.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 13:42:58 GMT
As the linked article says , if BE gave some details of lost revenue people might have more sympathy. It appears they cut costs, furloughed staff, got grants, taken membership cash and still want morr.
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Post by tshubrook on Mar 18, 2021 16:51:46 GMT
Had it confirmed today that anyone who wants to run summer activity still needs to register all participants and there isn't any sort of discount in place despite what will be a membership of max 4 months...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 8:18:10 GMT
Would games in the aummer not be classes as friendlys with the membership portion of the fess covering insurance?
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Post by drivethebody on Mar 22, 2021 10:56:54 GMT
Anyone had any contact with them at all?
We have sent emails since Feb and none have been responded to
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Post by connors on Mar 24, 2021 8:44:56 GMT
BE have been (even more?) difficult to deal with during this period presumably due to the furloughs. I think the communication via the website and promoted via social media has been reasonable. The RTP guidance is well signposted and pretty comprehensive, although it often comes too late and leads to speculation and frustration. Some of the guidance itself though is ridiculous. This latest idea of the kids needing to ease in for 6 weeks (I think the last time it was 8 weeks) is unrealistic and not necessary. Of course the youngsters have not done as much exercise as normal but I very much doubt any coaches will be flogging the players with endless fitness work on the first sessions back. What they need though is to play! Play friendlies, play summer competitions, rediscover that basketball is not just about training sessions. All the teams are in the same boat. The level physically and skill wise will be varied and possibly lower than it was after the kids effectively missed a years worth of match experience and development. ....so what?? Enough waffle from me though. This bloke as always gets to the point The joy of 6 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 10:27:21 GMT
We are using a strength and conditioning xoach for 2 weeks for them before we can get back inside
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Post by connors on Mar 24, 2021 11:29:09 GMT
Great for your kids if you have the resources to do that.
My boys footie team have games less than a week after there first training session.........just like after the last lockdown. For the vast majority of the age groups and levels they are playing at all I heard about was grateful parents that the kids were knackered and not climbing up the walls at home!
My lad is 9 and he cannot wait to get back to playing basketball and football. He has zero interest in slow build ups. I trust his coaches to ensure they make it fun and sensible.
Key thing is to play some games. Kids loves to play matches against other kids. That's what they've missed and that's what they want.
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Post by drivethebody on Mar 24, 2021 14:45:03 GMT
We are using a strength and conditioning xoach for 2 weeks for them before we can get back inside For a kids team to prepare to play basketball? Madness |
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Post by basketballjoe3 on Mar 24, 2021 14:57:14 GMT
We are using a strength and conditioning xoach for 2 weeks for them before we can get back inside For a kids team to prepare to play basketball? Madness On what grounds? Do you know the age range? The exercises involved? The requirement to discharge duty of care and injury prevention when coaching? Would be interested to know your thoughts? Having done **** all like this 30 years ago when I was playing and now suffering with various muscle and joint issues, I wish it was something we took as seriously as we do now. |
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Post by connors on Mar 24, 2021 16:21:44 GMT
I think I know where DTB is coming from (and he should be careful as he is in danger of agreeing with Hersey) but BBJ3 is correct is pointing out that just because they have that luxury does not mean they are over egging it. Also I think Mr Tall pointed out they were doing that in the build up to actually getting back inside on a court so I think that changes the perspective slightly.
Overall I think conditioning programs though for anything outside of elite U18 (maybe 16) groups are overkill and the same can be achieved with a sensible return to playing as quickly as games can be organised!
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Post by drivethebody on Mar 24, 2021 17:36:50 GMT
If they are kids (ie U16) and not ‘elite’- let them play! What are they practising for.
Football can turn around a. Semi pro team it seems in a week or two from lockdown to matches.
Why are BE killing the game? Killing the enjoyment of kids suiting up and competing.
If a team needs a strength coach and can afford one they’ll have given players programs too follow throughout and the two weeks surely best spent practising as a team. No?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 18:35:38 GMT
We are using a strength and conditioning xoach for 2 weeks for them before we can get back inside For a kids team to prepare to play basketball? Madness For a group of people have spent majority of the year sat in front of a screen its not only sensible, it shows the care we have for our players. These do not come at a detriment to on court activities, these proceed them. As a player who has an injury list worse than grant Hill and kobe combined I wish someone took care of my health and safety like this |
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Post by tshubrook on Mar 24, 2021 18:47:08 GMT
For a kids team to prepare to play basketball? Madness For a group of people have spent majority of the year sat in front of a screen its not only sensible, it shows the care we have for our players. These do not come at a detriment to on court activities, these proceed them. As a player who has an injury list worse than grant Hill and kobe combined I wish someone took care of my health and safety like this I'd agree with this. BE did do a really good seminar around why they were suggesting not returning straight into games after such a long lay off. Seemed to make sense to me. us02web.zoom.us/rec/share/NFxlJqzVpPf78sdIw2fPu5sxaolHWyC7jYa30hH8_xKZGXTaploySoINKzk0QKzj.7WEj0OQiQsC8sJ3I?fbclid=IwAR1ediRhhj7cMC0AooJTUz9FlBToeBpIKvQT7-DQ94GFjtMZsfzR-GjEHSY Passcode: @lqs0wcm BE were very quick to let me know that our club would have to pay full price to register any players we had participating in training/activities over summer. Haven't been as quick when I've queried this as our local league have apparently been told they don't need to bother with that but that they'd be covered by same regulations. Pre-that generally BE have been great when spoken to them/in terms of what information they are putting out. Question the furloughing of so many people when they are on a central grant from SE for most of their income I think. Also think their coaching stuff could have been better over lockdown but some positive moves. |
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