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Post by hersey427 on Jun 9, 2021 7:59:38 GMT
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jun 9, 2021 10:05:50 GMT
They take the mick at the best of times, but I can hand on heart tell you now this just isnt gonna happen.
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Post by faz on Jun 9, 2021 18:30:47 GMT
Pure and utter stupidity. There should be club representatives involved in the decision making. They need someone to politely point out they’re morons.
The polite comment rules out Bigz and Hersey though
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Post by hersey427 on Jun 9, 2021 20:15:51 GMT
They've gone out of their way to avoid club representatives - at least below D1 level where it was more-of-less forced upon them - in favour of hand-picked "advisory" groups who they listen when it suits their purpose. I could have a polite conversation with them but in reality it would consist mainly of this from a department who only exist if there's problems to solve and therefore need to ensure there's problems for them to solve. |
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Post by brummiedunk on Jun 10, 2021 8:58:09 GMT
The UK requires all adults working with minors or young people to be DBS checked. We have been doing this in netball for years. What’s the problem? You are picking the wrong fight here. There should be plenty of time to get these checks sorted…..did mine online in 5 minutes.
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Post by ko25 on Jun 10, 2021 9:39:06 GMT
The UK requires all adults working with minors or young people to be DBS checked. We have been doing this in netball for years. What’s the problem? You are picking the wrong fight here. There should be plenty of time to get these checks sorted…..did mine online in 5 minutes. I think it's more with how BE process them. I remember I sent mine in, sent a number of emails then they decided they'd lost it and that was I think 6 weeks later. I would have thought they would have breached some kind of data protection in losing it too. |
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Post by hersey427 on Jun 10, 2021 12:22:23 GMT
The UK requires all adults working with minors or young people to be DBS checked. We have been doing this in netball for years. What’s the problem? You are picking the wrong fight here. There should be plenty of time to get these checks sorted…..did mine online in 5 minutes. Hmmm. They're not really "working with minors or young people" any more than the bloke in a corner shop who sells them crisps after school is, and he can be in a room alone with them. If netball's been doing this for years, when did it become a requirement? If BE had actually been forced into it, I'd have expected them to say that. You've neatly side-stepped the safeguarding requirement, which certainly isn't a five minute job. It will be interesting to see what they charge for that. And it would be good to know why the course isn't available now. I suspect that netball don't require four qualified officials for an under-12 game, or when you're getting up to senior level (and this extends to them as there's the possibility of an under-18 being involved - and they regularly are) you're looking at eight people either refereeing or on the table. So there's a problem for you to dismiss. The reality is, kids come into more contact with parents of their team-mates that they do with referees or table officials. Where does this end? And having heard about KO's experience, hell will freeze over before I send BE the original of my DBS. Without it, I can't work. |
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Post by brummiedunk on Jun 11, 2021 5:59:59 GMT
Whether we like it or not, it is the way of the world, my friend! Basketball is slow to catch up. I cannot comment on BE or their reliability with paperwork but England Netball are fantastic and all over it.
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Post by faz on Jun 11, 2021 8:17:24 GMT
Whatever but without table officials games won’t go ahead
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Post by dandayr on Jun 11, 2021 20:52:50 GMT
Is the DBS scheme in England and Wales really that tight that a volunteer who is given a token amount to (for example) to table a game is treated the same and charged for a disclosure at the same rate as a paid professional (like a social worker or a teacher)?
Someone commented this is a UK think - technically it is not and the DBS described is an England and Wales thing. Scotland and Northern Ireland both have their own managed schemes.
In Scotland we have PVG for our disclosures and a volunteer is different from a paid professional and there is a simplified process to extend your PVG from one org to another.
My original PVG was done through Scouting - then I added BasketballScotland to it. In Neither case did I personally have a charge or did I have to share the certificate - it was done by DisclosureScotland online and email.
When I changed paid employment a few years back, the new employer required a basic disclosure which I did have to pay for and it is a snapshot on that day status only, but they don't get updates if my record changes.
With the full disclosure PVG that was done for the volunteer roles, that is ongoing, and they get told if status changes, until I or the organisations say I am not involved anymore.
Sounds like the angst and frustration here should be pointed at the westminster gov who put the system in place as much as it is to the governing body who has decided how to implement it.
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Post by hersey427 on Jun 12, 2021 10:53:44 GMT
Is the DBS scheme in England and Wales really that tight that a volunteer who is given a token amount to (for example) to table a game is treated the same and charged for a disclosure at the same rate as a paid professional (like a social worker or a teacher)? Apparently so. And that's the crux of the problem. I don't think anyone has a problem with coaches and team managers being checked. According to BE No mention of being forced into making this change, |
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Post by milehigh on Jun 14, 2021 11:40:49 GMT
The ECB covers the cost of DBS checks for all vvolunteers in cricket, including all coaches and umpires.
No reason for BE not to do the same.
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Post by tshubrook on Jun 14, 2021 20:06:13 GMT
ECB had revenue of over £200 million in fairness to BE...
I don't see how being a table official is regulated activity. No need for table officials to even talk to junior players if worried that much re safeguarding. For me it's way more of an issue with coaches contacting U16s/U18s over social media as part of 'recruitment' and BE doesn't seem interested in dealing with that.
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