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Post by massiveridersfan on Jul 30, 2021 15:27:40 GMT
Excellent news. Very pleased Raiders fans will have a team to support.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 30, 2021 16:23:16 GMT
Absolutely brilliant news Delighted for all the Raiders fans on here You’ve changed your tune, I thought you’d decided they were a disgrace for not paying Pavillions and misappropriating government money? 🤡🤡🤡 The club appears to have been saved by a new sponsor rather than an existing owner ? Could even be a new club?
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 30, 2021 16:26:19 GMT
Don’t start him off again Should we allow him to spout utter nonsense unchecked instead? And if the old owners have walked away without paying the local community suppliers they remain a disgrace having claimed DCMS money But we don't know yet Do we So cut the crap And contribute something useful or crawl back into your hole
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Post by borthwick on Jul 30, 2021 16:46:16 GMT
You know the level of aggressive behaviour on this board needs dealing with. Do we have any moderation.
INF you spout about others behaviour and then post a very aggressive statement without any real provocation. Really ?
Guys it doesn't reflect good on any of you. Can't we all just behave civilly?
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Post by basketballjoe3 on Jul 30, 2021 17:16:59 GMT
Should we allow him to spout utter nonsense unchecked instead? And if the old owners have walked away without paying the local community suppliers they remain a disgrace having claimed DCMS money But we don't know yet Do we So cut the crap And contribute something useful or crawl back into your hole We do, and as far as I'm aware they have. So kindly leave this thread to our celebration, please?
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 30, 2021 17:27:48 GMT
And if the old owners have walked away without paying the local community suppliers they remain a disgrace having claimed DCMS money But we don't know yet Do we So cut the crap And contribute something useful or crawl back into your hole We do, and as far as I'm aware they have. So kindly leave this thread to our celebration, please? "The club had requested to withdraw for the forthcoming season but now local Plymouth businessman, and a sponsor of the Club, Carl Heslop, has stepped forward and reached agreement with BBL to take on the franchise" That looks like new sponsor has become the new owner to me? Just saying? Could be a new business entirely
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Post by clintonh on Jul 30, 2021 17:36:22 GMT
New owner has revealed on the supporters Facebook page that the team will be playing its home games at the pavilions
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Post by basketballjoe3 on Jul 30, 2021 17:39:57 GMT
We do, and as far as I'm aware they have. So kindly leave this thread to our celebration, please? "The club had requested to withdraw for the forthcoming season but now local Plymouth businessman, and a sponsor of the Club, Carl Heslop, has stepped forward and reached agreement with BBL to take on the franchise" That looks like new sponsor has become the new owner to me? Just saying? Could be a new business entirely But what has that got to do with the assertion the former owners haven't paid their debts to local suppliers? They've paid us and as far as I'm aware made representation locally that they will do so for others. But then what the **** do I know? It's not like I'm the treasurer of Plymouth Raiders Development. Actually I suppose I'm not, as that name is likely obsolete.
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Post by MrWorldwide on Jul 30, 2021 17:49:17 GMT
As posted on the Raiders supporters group on FB, this is apparently a statement from Ross McKenzie. Sheds alot more light on the situation and that this is indeed a new basketball franchise being formed...
Basketball Statement: Dear all, since this mornings news surrounding the future of the BBL franchise was released given a period of significant uncertainty, I have fielded many calls and private messages asking about my role/involvement going forward. I wanted make some clarifications and distinctions and hopefully paint a picture for any of those interested. I am not part of the new BBL franchise. I am currently a Director of Plymouth Raiders 1983 Ltd and as such, part owner of the organisation that currently holds the Intellectual Property and naming rights of the "Plymouth Raiders", alongside our Turkish majority partners and Richard Mollard. Given the on-court success of this past season, unfortunately there has been and remains some conflict internally, some of which I'm privy, some of which I'm not. For my part, I've spent much of the past 12 months away from both CourierForce and Raiders battling a serious condition and multiple surgeries which brought me back to work fully in April. I returned to a business that faced serious challenges surrounding it's future playing venue and a breakdown in negotiations between the parties involved, both on the club's side and the Pavilions, almost irrevocably. The venue challenges have been largely ignored over the past several months despite repeated warnings about the imminent threat posed in a post Covid landscape. I spent 3 years working closely with James and Sarah and the Pavilions team from 2017 - early 2020 to ensure our continued presence there with success and their support. My relationship with them remains very good. In the weeks that followed the failed negotiations between the majority shareholders and the Pavilions, without warning or explanation, one of the club's key Turkish Directors resigned, in what would become a clear signal of their future involvement. Despite personal efforts attempting to bring people together throughout the final two weeks of June - PCC, Pavilions, all sides, it must be assumed decisions had already been taken at club level by the majority shareholders. A Board meeting was then called by a Co Director to vote on the Raiders withdrawal from the BBL. I would not and could not, in any conscience vote for this measure. I was out voted. The motion carried. Having been involved with Raiders for 30 years and watched the club navigate the transition from NBL 1 to BBL 15 years ago, it was a continued source of pride for the City and all associated. The club issued a statement to withdraw from the BBL. This sparked a series of events constitutionally where Plymouth Raiders 1983 Ltd was stripped of it's BBL status. The BBL franchise and naming rights to enable the use of the name "Plymouth Raiders" remain two separate entities. The BBL approached me earlier this month and asked whether I would consider going forward to submit a proposal to carry the club forward. Having being asked to reflect on it, the obvious challenges are complex and require the full support of Plymouth City Council to help overcome the playing venue problems for the long term. I am satisfied that the role I have played twice in 2017 and 2020 to help keep the Raiders moving forward has now ended. I continue to harbour very deep personal disappointment about how the current stewardship of the Raiders have not fulfilled the promises and commitments made. For now, there will remain a period where the current iteration of the Plymouth Raiders is resolved one way or another but I want to thank all of our staff, fans, volunteers, cheer squad, sponsors and all stakeholders including Marjon and City College Plymouth who I have been extremely lucky to have been able to work with, building fantastic business relationships and importantly friendships which will endure long into the future. I have worked with some exceptional people during this time. Having spent 4 years navigating the club with various partners in difficult circumstances, not least across continents, I am happy to say that my role with the BBL in the City is complete. As per today's news, that challenge along with the highs, the lows and the occasional sleepness nights now rest elsewhere. As a fan of basketball in Plymouth, I wish them much success.
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Post by raiders92 on Jul 30, 2021 17:49:58 GMT
Looks like raiders are back at the pavilions!! So this new guy can come in an come up with the agreement that the turks couldn't....... hmmm I think this sheds alot of light on the situation!
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Post by saintpat on Jul 30, 2021 18:03:02 GMT
Delighted for the Plymouth fans, really hope they can now move forward. I'd guess the budget won't be the same as last season but I'm sure they will still enjoy the basketball even if they aren't quite as competitive.
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Post by MrWorldwide on Jul 30, 2021 18:42:14 GMT
I'm very happy that BBL basketball will continue for us in Devon, and fair play to the guy who has stepped up to fill the void, but lets be clear about this... this looks like a brand new franchise with a brand new owner. From the info we have at the moment it very much appears to be starting from scratch and I am a little worried that the new owner has posted on FB "work starts Monday" suggesting that this was a very quick move by him and the BBL... How much due diligence has been carried out? are the correct finances in place? does the new team have any people with experience of running a sports organisation? etc. I'm looking forward to them taking to the floor (seems like it will be at the Pavilions) and hope for lots of success but, from past experience in this league, last minute franchise additions do not tend to fare well. I'm looking forward to the imminent fans forum that has been mentioned on the FB and hope they are bringing in some people with experience, maybe even from the (former?) Raiders organisation. Best of luck to all involved!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 19:22:51 GMT
Wow. Nice save but it seems this Ross guy really put the work in and for random guy to come in at last minute seems very risky given there is still a pandemic going on and no visibility or fans indoors and ticket sales. And it’s a new franchise? Why don’t the BBL own the names and trademarks and licence them to team owners. Seems sensible, and better than starting a new brand.
I remember people on this board touting how great the Turkish billionaire was and now he’s slagged off? Hope the new guy works out but given the BBL history of window dressing, I think he won’t be around long once the new bills stack up and revenue becomes elusive. But wish him luck though!
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Post by raiders92 on Jul 30, 2021 19:24:18 GMT
Delighted for the Plymouth fans, really hope they can now move forward. I'd guess the budget won't be the same as last season but I'm sure they will still enjoy the basketball even if they aren't quite as competitive. Raiders are different!! We will get 1500 fans regardless of how well the season is going due to the game night experience!
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Post by AJ on Jul 30, 2021 20:17:22 GMT
Plymouth basketball club... Plymouth fans how much does the name raidera mean to you? Might not be the official name now but they will always be known as Raiders. I’m just happy to still have a club in Plymouth and the BBL. I’m not sure on the budget but still looking forward to the player announcements.
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Post by number23 on Jul 30, 2021 22:00:53 GMT
Plymouth basketball club... Plymouth fans how much does the name raidera mean to you? Might not be the official name now but they will always be known as Raiders. I’m just happy to still have a club in Plymouth and the BBL. I’m not sure on the budget but still looking forward to the player announcements. Absolutely great news to see basketball in the area get a reprieve. Was really disappointed by the news of their withdrawal, and though there’s clearly issues remaining I hope they can be tied up quickly so everyone can move forward. As for the name? If ownership of the Raiders brand can’t be resolved, I wonder who gets custody of Foxy? Plymouth Foxes?
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Post by billybob on Jul 31, 2021 5:47:45 GMT
Its great that Ross has come out and finally given a bit of transparency.. but i dont think its the full story.
The BBL franchises cost a lot of money. Ive seen £100,000 and £150,000 mentioned on here in the past. With the current owners having bought the club and rights to the franchise from previous owner, and then the Turks investing, I cant see the BBL withdrawing the franchise because of some petty arguing/in fighting between the directors.
Its great the Mr Heslop has got the franchise rights, and has saved the club
However, is this likely to be challenged legally by the current owners, or has there has been serious mismanagement of the club that has resulted in the franchise being stripped from them (including DCMS funding?).
I cant see any of the current/previous directors backing down and taking a big loss.
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Post by basketballjoe3 on Jul 31, 2021 6:18:08 GMT
Its great that Ross has come out and finally given a bit of transparency.. but i dont think its the full story. The BBL franchises cost a lot of money. Ive seen £100,000 and £150,000 mentioned on here in the past. With the current owners having bought the club and rights to the franchise from previous owner, and then the Turks investing, I cant see the BBL withdrawing the franchise because of some petty arguing/in fighting between the directors. Its great the Mr Heslop has got the franchise rights, and has saved the club However, is this likely to be challenged legally by the current owners, or has there has been serious mismanagement of the club that has resulted in the franchise being stripped from them (including DCMS funding?). I cant see any of the current/previous directors backing down and taking a big loss. I’d imagine the licence to operate a club in the BBL is contingent on the ability to field a team or remain a going concern and so therefore returns to the BBL when an event like that occurs, and that’s how I’ve interpreted Ross’s statement. With this in mind, I’m not sure there’s any legal action that could be brought as a challenge to this. It would be a condition of the licence/franchise agreement. As such the franchise won’t have been ‘stripped’, more that a condition has not been met meaning Raiders 83 Ltd is no longer contractually entitled to benefit from it. My understanding is that the BBL received three bids to operate the licence, one from Ross as his statement mentions, one from Richard and one from Carl. Carl’s bid was ultimately preferred. If you have a couple of minutes, search for Obedair Construction on Companies House, the balance sheet is pretty impressive.
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Post by billybob on Jul 31, 2021 6:35:52 GMT
I looked at them on companies house yesterday. And yes, theyre very impressive. I dont imagine theyre going to want to endanger that financially secure position by blowing large wedges at the basketball team though.
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Post by blackdiamond on Aug 2, 2021 10:33:50 GMT
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Post by raiders92 on Aug 2, 2021 12:19:12 GMT
Seems the pavilions need better PR they've stepped in and saved the basketball team leave it at that we know they've helped out in the past..... All they are doing is highlighting is the need for a new venue. The pavilions is a dump it's run down and has a tiny capacity. No big acts want to come down here. Plymouth needs a bigger venue period. Now is the time to act on it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 13:31:36 GMT
Agreed.
It's a shame that the BBC didn't ask more probing questions because
needs some serious questions asking.
You can do anything with numbers. The idea that they've lost £10k per game over the last eight years is fanciful at best. For a start, they lost nothing per game in the eighth year of that period. It assumes that all of the dates would have been filled at the rate they believe they should receive, which is a pretty big assumption considering there was a fair smattering of midweek games during that time.
They remind me a lot of how the Brentwood Centre acted when we reformed Leopards. They gave us the dates they couldn't sell at a discount (£1400 rather than £4k) for a couple of years and then told us to do one. After a few years away we returned to fill those dates at a much more affordable price.
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