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Post by connors on Oct 6, 2021 11:56:49 GMT
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32345365/sources-brooklyn-nets-unclear-kyrie-irving-vaccine-intentions-preparing-possibility-miss-home-games-practicesSo what are the thoughts on this? If a similar situation occurred with your BBL team how would you react? I 100% support his right to personal choice. HOwever all choices have a consequence. For example he chooses to believe the earth is flat. The consequence of that is that he was largely ridiculed across social media. He chooses to take time off in a way that is largely unprecedented in the NBA. The consequence is that people question his commitment, desire and team spirit. So now he chooses not to get a vaccination, yet at least, and the consequence is that he cannot play games or attend any events at his home court. The consequence is a loss of a substantial amount of money and also a direct hit, due to his undoubted quality on the court, to his teams chances of success. I doubt any Nets players will come out and openly criticise him. It is not the done thing anymore. They all though are clearly vaccinated, therefore presumably believe the benefits greatly outweigh the risks and therefore presumably fundamentally disagree with Kyrie's stance.....how long can the Nets put up with his side show in general and how much is he worth to another team if they want to move him?
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Post by drivethebody on Oct 6, 2021 12:21:26 GMT
His personal choice to not get the vaccine (but stupid imho)
Club’s choice to not play him
No real story there
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Post by bullets92 on Oct 6, 2021 14:20:47 GMT
His personal choice to not get the vaccine (but stupid imho) Club’s choice to not play him No real story there Except isn’t it the government’s policy that’s not allowing him to play, rather than the clubs choice? I’d say one of the best players in the NBA not being able to practise or play in home games is a pretty big story |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 15:41:56 GMT
I wrote about this yesterday. Andrew Wiggins folded within hours. Do you want me to influence Kyrie? I think he's not quite right in the head. |
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Post by faz on Oct 6, 2021 18:12:58 GMT
His personal choice to not get the vaccine (but stupid imho) Club’s choice to not play him No real story there Really! More unavailability, can’t train in NYC, can’t play a player no matter how good if he can’t play at home or train. His choice don’t play him, don’t pay him. Max contract offer him sfa |
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Post by connors on Oct 7, 2021 9:07:59 GMT
I think it is a story. If Kyrie does not change his mind then I would suggest the best thing for him and the Nets would be to trade him to a team where they play in a state that does not operate those rules.
That way he will only miss the games versus the Knicks and Warriors (although I may be wrong about that as I recall something about an exemption for away teams??).
For example the Nets possess more than enough scoring prowess and veteran leadership without Kyrie. A pass first (being generous), excellent defender/rebounder like Ben Simmons could be ideal....quite whether 76ers would wish to swap Simmons nonsense for Kyries (lets be honest the vaccine thing is not the only drama that comes with Uncle Drew) is another matter altogether.
I guess for a proper Whatsbev debate we will need to wait until something similar happens in the BBL.
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Post by erd87 on Oct 7, 2021 11:03:43 GMT
I think the Nets would probably be the most perfect team for Ben Simmons with the amount of shot creation they have there. He probably would be overpaid for the role he would have to fill there mind.
I guess the worry for any team that trades for Kyrie is whether he would even turn up. Again, he would fit that Sixers team quite nicely IMO.
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Post by starman on Oct 7, 2021 11:45:56 GMT
Erd87 and that's exactly the dilemma the nets face. Reportedly his agents have made it clear that he will retire if he's traded.
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Post by starman on Oct 7, 2021 11:49:47 GMT
He has 2 years left on his contact. Due to receive $34.9 million this year and $36.5 next year.
Personally find him more of a distraction than the type of guy I would want on my team if i we're trying to win a championship.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 12:52:31 GMT
i question whether he really wants to play basketball any more
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Post by Colicab85 on Oct 7, 2021 12:58:15 GMT
They guy is an idiot.
Should've stayed with Lebron.
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Post by connors on Oct 7, 2021 15:06:27 GMT
Erd87 and that's exactly the dilemma the nets face. Reportedly his agents have made it clear that he will retire if he's traded. I'd not read that. Shocking really as that basically backs the Nets into a massive corner. Even for a wealthy guy like him he has a lot of money to leave on the table if he did that. What is annoying is I would say about half the junior national league players I see have his kicks on.....no way are Nike dropping him anytime soon despite his antics. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 18:09:23 GMT
That way he will only miss the games versus the Knicks and Warriors (although I may be wrong about that as I recall something about an exemption for away teams??). Apparently not. |
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Post by sharkfan on Oct 8, 2021 10:34:18 GMT
Three questions
1 How many people have died from being vaccinated ?
2 How many people have been vaccinated (For scale) ?
3 What mental health problem is Kyrie Erving suffering from ?
Reminds me of the crazy Michael Jackson situation where he died because he was surrounded by people who only said yes because they were in his pocket
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 12:55:04 GMT
but if he has the vax the chip inside him will tell Bill Gates exactly where he is. i figured Bill knows where i am by reading my blog so i thought I'd risk the jab
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Post by connors on Oct 8, 2021 15:59:02 GMT
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32357665/brooklyn-nets-kyrie-irving-faq-home-games-question-trade-talk-contract-status-moreThat's the most complete assessment of the situation and to be honest underlines what I have been thinking for some time now. Kyrie is bat s**t crazy and more trouble than he is worth. The Nets should sack him and let somebody else have the problem. Addition by subtraction. Presumably they could utilise the salary cap stuff to good effect at some point. They have KD/Harden and some very good vets. Play with the players who want to play and let Irving go and waft some incense around his back yard. I would love to know what the NEts players and staff REALLY think. I would bet it is not what they say in public :-)
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Post by inaminute23 on Oct 15, 2021 11:33:12 GMT
His bodily autonomy. He is no more a risk to someone, than someone who has been vaccinated. Utterly abhorrent.
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Post by connors on Oct 15, 2021 13:27:17 GMT
I honestly cannot work out if you are defending him or criticising him?
For me I 100% support that he has the right to decide what to not put in his body. By that argument though he also has the right to put what he wants in as well. Such as performance enhancing or recreational drugs for instance. Those types of decisions will also have negative consequences too and it is the fact that the consequences are so costly and negative for his career and his team and team mates that is the story here.
I think personally he is making a mistake here and it is just another incident that demonstrates he really does not care a jot for the organisation that pays him an awful lot of money to play basketball for them.
The Nets did not make up the state law. The over whelming opinion from pundits and commentators in the US is that he's not helping anyone or himself.
It is certainly news though. Been on the national news in the UK and thats usually reserved for the winner of the NBA finals only each year!
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Post by massiveridersfan on Oct 15, 2021 15:22:08 GMT
His bodily autonomy. He is no more a risk to someone, than someone who has been vaccinated. Utterly abhorrent. Not accurate. Those who are vaccinated are less likely to pass on the virus. On the news this week. He's a danger to others (and himself) if unvaccinated. |
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Post by lexumcomp on Oct 15, 2021 16:24:20 GMT
His bodily autonomy. He is no more a risk to someone, than someone who has been vaccinated. Utterly abhorrent. Not accurate. Those who are vaccinated are less likely to pass on the virus. On the news this week. He's a danger to others (and himself) if unvaccinated. Oh brother. Covid is still spreading freely up and down the country and people still believe the vaccine stops the spread!? It reduces people of a certain age and health from being hospitalised. That's it. It was on the news.. as was a fuel shortage the other week and fears of Christmas toys not being delivered in time this week. |
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Post by Colicab85 on Oct 15, 2021 18:34:32 GMT
Not accurate. Those who are vaccinated are less likely to pass on the virus. On the news this week. He's a danger to others (and himself) if unvaccinated. Oh brother. Covid is still spreading freely up and down the country and people still believe the vaccine stops the spread!? It reduces people of a certain age and health from being hospitalised. That's it. It was on the news.. as was a fuel shortage the other week and fears of Christmas toys not being delivered in time this week. Not true. At all. The highest rates of infections are in the unvaccinated. Significantly. |
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Post by retsek on Oct 15, 2021 19:07:40 GMT
I fully support the league and Nets, the guys a moron and shouldn't have a platform to spew his stupidity.
Seriously, who didn't see this guy causing the Nets a headache one way or another? Just get rid of him while he still has a shred of value.
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Post by davef on Oct 15, 2021 21:10:41 GMT
Thank you colicab
We currently have no societal mitigations at all. If vaccinations didn’t impact case numbers then the number would be rising exponentially as it was shown to do in March, September and Christmas of last year. And that means 30,000 to 60,000 in a fortnight, to 120,000 in another fortnight
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 22:23:03 GMT
His bodily autonomy. He is no more a risk to someone, than someone who has been vaccinated. Utterly abhorrent. Do you really believe that? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 8:00:16 GMT
If you're not vaccinated then you shouldn't get to play. Of course you can still get Covid even if you're vaccinated but you're less likely to get it as severe as someone who is unvaccinated.
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