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Post by massiveridersfan on Aug 5, 2016 9:33:38 GMT
In another thread we were musing about who might become captain of the Riders team now that Barry Lamble has retired. That set me wondering about what exactly a captain's role is and why teams appoint them. So...my questions is this: do teams need a captain and what should he or she be doing?
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Post by Guest on Aug 5, 2016 9:58:38 GMT
Lifting a trophy if you win one....
Seriously, outside of cricket and rugby where they make selection/tactical decisions, the role of captians in sport is massively overplayed. Sometimes you can get players who are leaders and drag teams forward (ala Gerrard in his pomp at Liverpool) but that has nothing to do with an armband. One assumes Lamble's was largely cerimonial on the basis he was longest serving player and all round nice guy whom his team-mates really liked.
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Post by DefyingGravity on Aug 5, 2016 11:15:53 GMT
My personal opinion on the role of the captain
- someone who can show good leadership, particularly to younger/rookie players. This doesn't need to be the "best" player on the team. It could be anyone
- someone who if needed can discuss situations with the referees, avoid having the whole team bombarding the refs. If the captain is on court then that could be their job
- someone who can often be described as the heart and soul of the team
- someone who can encourage the team, not necessarily always via on court displays although this can help. Off court can be just as useful.
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Post by MansfieldMike on Aug 5, 2016 11:27:41 GMT
- someone who can help pull all the individual players into a team - someone to turn to, if any of the younger players need help/advice - someone who can take new permit players from other countries under their wing and show them the ropes in a new country and city. |
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Post by saintpat on Aug 5, 2016 12:06:44 GMT
Many captains seem to do little to justify the title. Of course you can't see what goes on in the dressing room. Dru Spinks was the best captain Lions have ever had. When things were going badly & the team needed a boost I have seen Dru's commitment & heart pull the team off their knees and get them playing hard again. He wouldn't give anything less than 100% whether it was the 1st minute or the last, whether we were 20 up or 20 down & he expected the same from everyone else. The captain needs to do that, he doesn't need to be the best player or a 30 minute a game player but he does need to have a positive influence when called upon.
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Post by Guest on Aug 5, 2016 12:21:57 GMT
Many captains seem to do little to justify the title. Of course you can't see what goes on in the dressing room. Dru Spinks was the best captain Lions have ever had. When things were going badly & the team needed a boost I have seen Dru's commitment & heart pull the team off their knees and get them playing hard again. He wouldn't give anything less than 100% whether it was the 1st minute or the last, whether we were 20 up or 20 down & he expected the same from everyone else. The captain needs to do that, he doesn't need to be the best player or a 30 minute a game player but he does need to have a positive influence when called upon. But that was in Spinks whether he was the captain or not, he had those qualities and would have done so regardless of who the captain was. One does not have to be a captain to be a leader, likewise being a captain doesn't make you a leader. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Aug 5, 2016 13:12:00 GMT
Off the court motivating and supporting players and giving a kick up the arse to any players who need it as well
Team spirit and togtherness
Leadership
This applies to most sports, not just basketball
In football if you had a problem go and speak to the skipper first
Wes Morgan (now captain of Premier League Champions Leicester) joined them a few years ago and found there was no togetherness and that everybody cleared off straight after training to do their own thing
He spent first few months at Leicester travelling back to socialise with his ex team mates at Forest
Then Leicester made him captain and he started bringing them all together
Off topic a bit but take a look on the internet for leicester city today
Their chairman just bought all the squad matching blue BMW sportscars
Brilliant images
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Post by interestedridersfan on Aug 5, 2016 13:24:02 GMT
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Aug 5, 2016 14:39:40 GMT
Lifting a trophy if you win one.... Seriously, outside of cricket and rugby where they make selection/tactical decisions, the role of captians in sport is massively overplayed. Sometimes you can get players who are leaders and drag teams forward (ala Gerrard in his pomp at Liverpool) but that has nothing to do with an armband. Spot on. Don't pay attention to rugby. Only team sport I follow where the captain's role really matters is cricket. In cricket the captain has to make a number of key decisions which can directly influence the outcome of a game. The only people making those decisions in sports like football and basketball are the coaches/managers. I'm sure it's useful to have one or two players in any given side with a bit of experience and, perhaps, some leadership qualities. But I really don't think it matters whether it's one of them wearing the 'armband' or someone else. If you'd been a Riders player the last 4-5 years, would you have taken a bit of advice or a boot up the ass more seriously from 'Captain' Barry Lamble, or Drew Sullivan? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 14:58:19 GMT
Captains role in Basketball is probably more influential off the court. Coach and strong players can lead and make decisions on the court (captain may well be part of that). You need a strong personality with good leadership skills to be a captain. Main thing though, is you have respect from all. Not just players.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 15:49:12 GMT
I doubt any starter - American or otherwise - takes a captain who plays under 10 minutes a game particularly seriously.
There's some great British guys around who help new players off the court fit in and learn what the BBL is all about. But when it comes to game-day, they have limited relevance. When you have to name a court captain on the scoresheet, so that you have someone to speak to the ref, because your captain doesn't play much, the "captain's" title doesn't really mean much.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Aug 5, 2016 16:22:41 GMT
I doubt any starter - American or otherwise - takes a captain who plays under 10 minutes a game particularly seriously. There's some great British guys around who help new players off the court fit in and learn what the BBL is all about. But when it comes to game-day, they have limited relevance. When you have to name a court captain on the scoresheet, so that you have someone to speak to the ref, because your captain doesn't play much, the "captain's" title doesn't really mean much. I expect Tyler bernardini to be next riders captain Great team player, analyses opposition with the coaches, calls the plays on court. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 17:14:05 GMT
Surely it'll be Drew Sullivan?
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Post by massiveridersfan on Aug 5, 2016 17:28:58 GMT
Given his experience, that might seem logical given his experience but I think Tyler would be a very good choice. I'm pretty certain the players will get to know what Drew thinks if they don't pull their weight or aren't running plays correctly!
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Post by retsek on Aug 5, 2016 17:55:57 GMT
Lifting a trophy if you win one.... Seriously, outside of cricket and rugby where they make selection/tactical decisions, the role of captians in sport is massively overplayed. Sometimes you can get players who are leaders and drag teams forward (ala Gerrard in his pomp at Liverpool) but that has nothing to do with an armband. One assumes Lamble's was largely cerimonial on the basis he was longest serving player and all round nice guy whom his team-mates really liked. Totally agree, the position is ceremonial only. Motivating players would still be motivating regardless of whether or not they had the title of captain. |
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Post by redrocket on Aug 5, 2016 19:08:55 GMT
It depends how you look at it...
The role of a point guard is always a 'floor general' who is very much the coach on the floor. But if you have a new player this could be a hard situation to be in.
Tyler would be a great captain as he's been at the club for two years and is very much 'one of Rob's guys'. But this may mean that the coach cant 'call out' this player as much as it will affect his ability to lead. If Tyler ever makes mistakes in a game and Rob 'motivates him' then this frequently pushes him to step up and works. Where as if he was the captain, could he do this?
With Barry being the captain it seemed like this was more of a cultural move. From articles and what players have said it seemed like he helped players settle and gel as a unit. But I doubt this was asked of him. Just something he did as a genuine nice guy!
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Post by interestedridersfan on Aug 5, 2016 23:02:37 GMT
Can't see it making any difference at all to Rob who the captain is when it comes to rollockings
He will dish them out regardless
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Post by massiveridersfan on Aug 6, 2016 13:23:44 GMT
Can't see it making any difference at all to Rob who the captain is when it comes to rollockings He will dish them out regardless I love the idea that Rob wouldn't go ballistic at his captain. Everyone gets the hairdryer treatment if they screw up in Rob's terms. |
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Post by theflyingshark on Aug 7, 2016 8:06:44 GMT
Sharks kept Adrian Anderson as captain for a few seasons despite him being a career long bench warmer. He was a long term familiar face at the club though so presumably someone the team gelled around away from the court.
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