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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 3, 2016 8:59:46 GMT
They have 3 teams over, IRF. The other 2 are playing elsewhere today. I *think* the red team is their best one. We played the team with the short stocky guy with a headband called witherspoon who is the captain and I'm sure was over here before |
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Post by RideAllDay on Sept 3, 2016 9:34:06 GMT
Will not continue in-season
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Post by isthaturinal on Sept 3, 2016 16:14:16 GMT
It may just be me but after 2 games Hampton is not floating my boat,
If it's true that he's carrying a slight injury then fair enough, I'm all for giving players time to impress when fully fit,
But if not then I expect a hell of a lot from him,
Overall I'm very happy with the squad, love what Thomson brings us and the US imports have settled in well,
looking forward to the same again tonight but with a bit more concentration in the 1st quarter
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Sept 3, 2016 18:31:20 GMT
I appreciate this is going against the trend but a post connected to the original title without a mention of Riders.
I thought there was a mistake in the original post regarding all their games but just found that the White squad is in Ellesmere Port tomorrow in an 8 team tournament including a couple of local league teams, University of Chester Division 3 team and 4 teams from the North Wales league. presumably their White squad is the weakest of the three, I'd be surprised if they were equivalent to the squad they put out against that Leicester team ( Damm I said I wouldn't mention them)
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Post by rideralex on Sept 3, 2016 19:09:29 GMT
USA select winning against Riders 18-21 after the first.
I know it's pre-season but I don't think I've ever seen a team look so disorganised as Riders have in the first quarter...
(May not have helped that Riders are without Conner and Thomson, and Clark and May-Thompson both had 2 early fouls)
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Post by zairetaylor11 on Sept 3, 2016 19:21:33 GMT
Calling it a shocking decision would indicate he was hard done by which he wasnt. Brooks and Fletcher were excellent. I doubt you'll find too many people who think Sullivan was far better than them, if indeed he was at all. Interestedridersfan offers the theory that coaches will vote for anyone but him. He has won the mvp award at both Leicester and Newcastle so it's difficult to see how a claim like that carries any truth. He deserved to be in the conversation for mvp. As did several others. Truth is, there wasn't one candidate that was head and shoulders above the rest. He's not well liked. I think we all know that. Doubt it's actually relevant. He's upset more people since he won the previous two MVPs guest? Although I rate both Fletcher and Brooks very highly it certainly wasn't a season for Fletch to win the award Fletch should have won it season before IMO I imagine just having a couple of coaches who don't like you is capable of upsetting the result We've debated this before but I think that Riders being the dominant team last season the MVP should come from them Just like it had to come from Eagles last season In fact I think it should almost always come from team that wins the League and will standby that all the time I'm on here I feel the same with football I think there's a big difference between Newcastle sweeping the league, and Leicester winning 2 of 4. Or even 2 of 3 which is the case at the time in which they vote. Also winning the cup makes Newcastle champions as well, finish in a tight second. But what I think the biggest issue why drew or anyone for that matter didn't get MVP was the balance amongst the team. Drew and trayvon cud of both got votes stats were very similar, u cud argue bernardini, and as a pf Neil was a 1st team defender that lead the team in scoring and asst... So they take votes from each other based on who each coach may view as mainly responsible for their success. And I disagree that the MVP shud come from who wins the league. I think that would make more sense for coach of the year, but don't agree necessarily with that either cuz when newcastle swept league 2015 Bristol coach got it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 20:26:28 GMT
Back USA select, they beat Worthing thunder 81-78 tonight
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 20:37:12 GMT
Not at the game.......how's MV.......I mean Drew....how's Drew doing??
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Post by NickRiders on Sept 3, 2016 20:52:04 GMT
riders won 98-74
but i get the impression they didn't play very well but also USA select shot the ball very well?
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Post by isthaturinal on Sept 3, 2016 21:26:28 GMT
Not at the game.......how's MV.......I mean Drew....how's Drew doing?? Uncle Drew is his good old solid, reliable, no messing usual self, it was the 3pt show from the US select side tonight, lost count on how many they shot and made (and they made a lot) Still a long way for us to go, but we still got a big win without Thomson and Washington, Plus I'm still not convinced about Hampton, hope he proves me wrong. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 3, 2016 21:27:48 GMT
Despite the result not being as emphatic I actually enjoyed tonight more than last night.
Drew somehow looks even better than last season. Scarily good. Best I've seen him play.
Tyler had a very good game having had a a poor game night before by his standards.
Jack was decent again. He looks like a good player. As I said yesterday my only worry for him is his lack of physicality up against the best and most experienced big guys in the league. But hopefully he will deal with that.
Robertson hasn't hit form yet offensively but he is a real worker and leader our there. I love his attitude and it will click with him offensively soon I am sure.
Clark I was worried about after seeing him last night. Tonight I saw some real quality passing. He passes so quickly. One of his passes I swear was so fast you couldn't see the ball move. He's going provide some highlights for us. Third or fourth quarter he chose to go for the basket himself. Went past his guard in a blink of an eye and finished calmly.
Shane contributed well and May Thompson also looked good.
Thomson and washington didn't play.
We had a new Uni player called Roberts come on for last couple of minutes. He was electric. Very exciting player for the future.
Re Hampton (mentioned above). I think he lacks conditioning still. Maybe that's related to the injury. Judge him in two weeks. He made a move in fourth quarter going solo which showed his quality but was stopped by a foul. The quality is there and I'm hoping it's going to shine through.
I want to give credit to the USA select squad. Their younger players put on a camp for juniors before the game. The camp was top quality. Well planned, well coached but more than anything else the US young players showed great enthusiasm throughout, were really great with the kids and were an absolute credit to the people who have brought them over. All the parents I was with were similarly impressed and the kids loved it.
Would have liked to have told the Head Coach this at the end but I had to get off. So if anyone sees him in next couple of weeks please pass that message on.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 3, 2016 21:31:56 GMT
He's upset more people since he won the previous two MVPs guest? Although I rate both Fletcher and Brooks very highly it certainly wasn't a season for Fletch to win the award Fletch should have won it season before IMO I imagine just having a couple of coaches who don't like you is capable of upsetting the result We've debated this before but I think that Riders being the dominant team last season the MVP should come from them Just like it had to come from Eagles last season In fact I think it should almost always come from team that wins the League and will standby that all the time I'm on here I feel the same with football I think there's a big difference between Newcastle sweeping the league, and Leicester winning 2 of 4. Or even 2 of 3 which is the case at the time in which they vote. Also winning the cup makes Newcastle champions as well, finish in a tight second. But what I think the biggest issue why drew or anyone for that matter didn't get MVP was the balance amongst the team. Drew and trayvon cud of both got votes stats were very similar, u cud argue bernardini, and as a pf Neil was a 1st team defender that lead the team in scoring and asst... So they take votes from each other based on who each coach may view as mainly responsible for their success. And I disagree that the MVP shud come from who wins the league. I think that would make more sense for coach of the year, but don't agree necessarily with that either cuz when newcastle swept league 2015 Bristol coach got it. That's a good point and I take it on board zaire Only thing is at Riders despite the whole team being great and all credit to Neil and Tray (two of my favourite players) but we all knew Drew was our MVP and the glue that got us to win the League so to speak. He was the MVP of the club and I don't think it was even up for debate. |
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Post by NickRiders on Sept 3, 2016 21:51:44 GMT
I think there's a big difference between Newcastle sweeping the league, and Leicester winning 2 of 4. Or even 2 of 3 which is the case at the time in which they vote. Also winning the cup makes Newcastle champions as well, finish in a tight second. But what I think the biggest issue why drew or anyone for that matter didn't get MVP was the balance amongst the team. Drew and trayvon cud of both got votes stats were very similar, u cud argue bernardini, and as a pf Neil was a 1st team defender that lead the team in scoring and asst... So they take votes from each other based on who each coach may view as mainly responsible for their success. And I disagree that the MVP shud come from who wins the league. I think that would make more sense for coach of the year, but don't agree necessarily with that either cuz when newcastle swept league 2015 Bristol coach got it. That's a good point and I take it on board zaire Only thing is at Riders despite the whole team being great and all credit to Neil and Tray (two of my favourite players) but we all knew Drew was our MVP and the glue that got us to win the League so to speak. He was the MVP of the club and I don't think it was even up for debate. I would also argue without Drew's clutch plays to end the league title race we wouldn't of won it. I remember at least 3 out of 5 games where we won right down to the wire. With Drew making big plays and free throws to win the game. He came through like a true MVP to help us win the title. Yet the voters seem to not take this into account at all. |
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Post by seb on Sept 3, 2016 22:21:18 GMT
Can I offer another suggestion on the League MVP before we get into "everyone hates Drew and it's rigged" theory, as I think that's disrespectful to Fletch who actually did win it.
Riders fans watch Drew play week-in-week-out, any opposing coach will see Drew play probably 8 times maybe: the 3 times they play them, the 3 games they watch to scout before each game, and a couple of finals (and not all coaches will watch them).
Now let's say you are Bristol (sorry to Bristol fans, only choosing you randomly but there aren't many on her to get offended hence I chose you 😃) and you got blew out by Leicester every game. Drew doesn't play in blow outs, and why should he, he's older and it's a great time to rest. It is also conceivable that the pre-game scouting tapes may have been blow outs too so they didn't see Drew play in them either...how can they vote for him??? They will vote for the player that they struggled to stop as that's who THEY saw as the best player on the Riders team in the games they watched.
Now take Newcastle Vs Bristol. In a similar blowout Fletch, as one of the youngest on his team, will still play. So it is conceivable that the Bristol coach could see Fletch killing and vote for him.
I'm just saying that as Riders fans you guys see every (home) game of Drew, Eagles fans see every (home) game of Fletch and Sheffield fans see every (home) game of Brooks, and you only see the other 2 when they play you. A specific team's coach too sees equal small amounts of every player, so in some ways they are in a better position to compare fairly, and in others ways they only have a limited window on everyone.
As a table official that travels across the country and sees many random games I liked all 3, and I do think Sullivan makes clutch plays, but all 3 won a trophy for their team last year by doing that. However I can also see why Sullivan wouldn't've got my vote on certain days if that was one of only a few games I saw him play.
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Post by RideAllDay on Sept 3, 2016 22:31:49 GMT
Wasn't impressed by the team tonight! if we don't come together we will need to cut..
I miss Neil Watson.
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Post by faz on Sept 3, 2016 22:33:22 GMT
We had a new Uni player called Roberts come on for last couple of minutes. He was electric. Very exciting player for the future. Was that Alex Roberts about 6'1 with a goaty beard. England under 16 and 18 international, was at Myerscough for the last 2 years and featured well at the Luol Deng camp. played EBL div1 last year with spinners getting about 20 minutes a game. Previously a junior at Cheshire wire. Great lad as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 22:35:34 GMT
Not at the game.......how's MV.......I mean Drew....how's Drew doing?? Uncle Drew is his good old solid, reliable, no messing usual self, it was the 3pt show from the US select side tonight, lost count on how many they shot and made (and they made a lot) Still a long way for us to go, but we still got a big win without Thomson and Washington, Plus I'm still not convinced about Hampton, hope he proves me wrong. He certainly needs to sort his Barnet out!!! (Hampton that is). Looks to be carrying some weight from previous footage seasons prior. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Sept 4, 2016 0:18:12 GMT
From what I saw of Clark he looks a solid PG and after his two fouls he came out in 2Q and had an excellent spell. Don't regret us not re-signing Watson. In fact, Clark made some storming passes that really impressed me. Hampton seems overweight compared with his younger self and not yet fully fit. I think he looks good in terms of offering something different, personally. Love Robertson and also like Jack. Next weekend will be a tougher test and should tell us more. Hope Thomson and Washington are fit to play. Missed them.
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Post by NickRiders on Sept 4, 2016 0:51:30 GMT
Wasn't impressed by the team tonight! if we don't come together we will need to cut.. I miss Neil Watson. They call it pre season for a reason you expect them to win by 50 every game or something? Not having Washington and Thompson today will make Riders look different. Thompson for one will be a big part of what we do this year |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 4, 2016 6:55:28 GMT
Can I offer another suggestion on the League MVP before we get into "everyone hates Drew and it's rigged" theory, as I think that's disrespectful to Fletch who actually did win it. Riders fans watch Drew play week-in-week-out, any opposing coach will see Drew play probably 8 times maybe: the 3 times they play them, the 3 games they watch to scout before each game, and a couple of finals (and not all coaches will watch them). Now let's say you are Bristol (sorry to Bristol fans, only choosing you randomly but there aren't many on her to get offended hence I chose you 😃) and you got blew out by Leicester every game. Drew doesn't play in blow outs, and why should he, he's older and it's a great time to rest. It is also conceivable that the pre-game scouting tapes may have been blow outs too so they didn't see Drew play in them either...how can they vote for him??? They will vote for the player that they struggled to stop as that's who THEY saw as the best player on the Riders team in the games they watched. Now take Newcastle Vs Bristol. In a similar blowout Fletch, as one of the youngest on his team, will still play. So it is conceivable that the Bristol coach could see Fletch killing and vote for him. I'm just saying that as Riders fans you guys see every (home) game of Drew, Eagles fans see every (home) game of Fletch and Sheffield fans see every (home) game of Brooks, and you only see the other 2 when they play you. A specific team's coach too sees equal small amounts of every player, so in some ways they are in a better position to compare fairly, and in others ways they only have a limited window on everyone. As a table official that travels across the country and sees many random games I liked all 3, and I do think Sullivan makes clutch plays, but all 3 won a trophy for their team last year by doing that. However I can also see why Sullivan wouldn't've got my vote on certain days if that was one of only a few games I saw him play. I take all that on board as well and some valid points I'm not disrespecting Fletch - ive said many times I felt he deserved to win it the season before and didn't get it But that's just my opinion |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 4, 2016 7:02:09 GMT
Wasn't impressed by the team tonight! if we don't come together we will need to cut.. I miss Neil Watson. They call it pre season for a reason you expect them to win by 50 every game or something? Not having Washington and Thompson today will make Riders look different. Thompson for one will be a big part of what we do this year Washington missed game for personal reasons and Thomson nothing to worry about Takes time for players to come together. If it was easy then teams and fans wouldn't care about keeping a strong core together from previous seasons and teams wouldn't gain any advantage from getting their squad together early to prepare for a new season. And players take time to adjust to the league Only last season Trayvonn won most improved player at Riders showing that you do need time to adjust I'm really looking forward to how we do next weekend as another week will have gone into pulling the team together and we will have some strong opposition (I assume) who will punish us if we aren't up for the challenge |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 4, 2016 7:04:45 GMT
We had a new Uni player called Roberts come on for last couple of minutes. He was electric. Very exciting player for the future. Was that Alex Roberts about 6'1 with a goaty beard. England under 16 and 18 international, was at Myerscough for the last 2 years and featured well at the Luol Deng camp. played EBL div1 last year with spinners getting about 20 minutes a game. Previously a junior at Cheshire wire. Great lad as well. Yes Came on and was very confident and very impressive in an albeit short cameo role at end of game |
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Post by guest on Sept 4, 2016 14:06:32 GMT
Roberts also hit a game winning buzzer beater from three quarter court against the USA Select for the Loughborough D1 side.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Sept 4, 2016 18:30:29 GMT
Watched some of their White squad in Ellesmere Port, no great height but plenty of speed and skill in their squad of about 13/14 players. All numbered 40-57 is that a "third team " squad or was it the fastest got the lowest numbers? Question. The squad against Riders must have had 1-15 ??
no idea of their results, my Sunday roast was ready so I had to go home for my tea!!!!!
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Post by notoriousbigz on Sept 4, 2016 18:48:17 GMT
Anyone know how giants did against them today, and which team it was they played?
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