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Post by r33 on Feb 8, 2017 8:26:11 GMT
That Macedonia team had virtually none of the squad that finished 4th in EB, to be fair, but qualification was achieved, even though that's easier than it used to be.
Still don't get the arrogance of sarcastically referring to MKD, Hungary as powerhouses though. What makes them any less legitimate as countries, as teams because they're not as big as we are? Typical British sneering.
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Post by Guest on Feb 8, 2017 10:38:06 GMT
The point re Macedonia was that it may be a small, relatively new country, but it has a better pedigree on the European stage than GB has. OK so Pero and Bo have left the stage, but it's not like they are some scrub nation that can't compete and that GB - without most of it's top tier players - should just roll over as was suggested. And again the highest level player in the entire group was Hungarian.
Look at that GB team and what club level they play at and it was far from certain they should qualify and they deserve credit for doing so.
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Post by connors on Feb 8, 2017 10:39:02 GMT
As Mrtall said we should probably be celebrating the funding we are getting rather than moaning about others.
The biggest challenge for any other sport in this country is football. It dominates the sporting horizon in a way that can adversely impact on other sports.
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Post by ballerman on Feb 8, 2017 11:18:43 GMT
I don't think I commented on where the money comes from, so I'm not sure about the comment made.
Does basketball deserve more money? Absolutely and totally. Do the people who purport to run basketball deserve the opportunity to govern with more money. Absolutely and totally not.
UK Sport are obviously aware of this and that is why we are starved. There are endless volunteers who have much greater idea of how to push the sport forward but their voices are never heard. You can have surveys and road shows and any other nonsense you like but until those who do develop on a regular basis are involved we'll get little or nothing.
And that's probably what we deserve
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Post by Sport England on Feb 8, 2017 11:30:17 GMT
I don't think I commented on where the money comes from, so I'm not sure about the comment made. Does basketball deserve more money? Absolutely and totally. Do the people who purport to run basketball deserve the opportunity to govern with more money. Absolutely and totally not. UK Sport are obviously aware of this and that is why we are starved. There are endless volunteers who have much greater idea of how to push the sport forward but their voices are never heard. You can have surveys and road shows and any other nonsense you like but until those who do develop on a regular basis are involved we'll get little or nothing. And that's probably what we deserve But why does basketball deserve more money? Kpi's don't show it does. On a performance level basketball is poor in Euro and World terms. Coach Ed is poor and not up to standard Participation level is high at primary and secondary school. Fifth most participated in after football, rugby (inc tag rugby), athletics and dance There are considered sufficient facilities in the country - 90% of secondary schools have a basketball hoops , 73% primary schools. Basketball viewing is relatively poor in the professional game. |
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Post by ballerman on Feb 8, 2017 11:46:16 GMT
You've answered my question. Those that run the game have failed.
But there is huge demand to play. Get the right people in position, fund them properly and we'll fly
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Post by Facts on Feb 8, 2017 11:46:24 GMT
Ballerman, UK Sport make their decision based on the ability to win Olympic medals, nothing to do with governance. Personally I find that a flawed model and basketball - and indeed badminton this time around - highlights that model is flawed, albeit it is effective at winning medals.
Sport England has starved EB of funding for various reasons over the last 15 years or so, that I won't go into, but some of that is EB's fault and some of that would appear to be a bias by SE given their stated aims.
Do you know who the people you say 'purport to run basketball' are? Because if you do you'll know that actually most of them are relatively new. The whole of GBB is completely new and nothing to do with the last lot who pissed the Olympics money up the wall. The CEO of EB has been in post for maybe a year and had nothing to do with the last guy who tried to shaft the sport or the previous guy who pissed SE off.
So are you saying that because other people were crap we should never fund basketball again? We should not give the new people at least a chance? Funny because Hockey went bankrupt a decade ago and the money (from UKS or SE) never stopped coming in despite what must have been poor governance.
Also, forgive me for repeating myself, but it is Sport England's job to promote participation and they have patently and consistently ignored one of the largest participation team sports in the country. Bugger the governance issues, Sport England are duty bound to support us, the humble basketball player, who play in schools or local leagues. They have FAILED and allowed the governance issues to mask this FAILURE. They have FAILED to support the very groups of people they were tasked by government to support. It is there failure, they should have found a way around it - indeed their funding of Reach and Teach and Basketball Foundation a few years ago was a virtual admission to that failure and a token effort to make some amends.
Sport England should have found a way to support people, that is their JOB. They did not. Governance is not really that relevant to that at a micro level.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 14:12:27 GMT
I don't think I commented on where the money comes from, so I'm not sure about the comment made. Does basketball deserve more money? Absolutely and totally. Do the people who purport to run basketball deserve the opportunity to govern with more money. Absolutely and totally not. UK Sport are obviously aware of this and that is why we are starved. There are endless volunteers who have much greater idea of how to push the sport forward but their voices are never heard. You can have surveys and road shows and any other nonsense you like but until those who do develop on a regular basis are involved we'll get little or nothing. And that's probably what we deserve But why does basketball deserve more money? Kpi's don't show it does. On a performance level basketball is poor in Euro and World terms. Coach Ed is poor and not up to standard Participation level is high at primary and secondary school. Fifth most participated in after football, rugby (inc tag rugby), athletics and dance There are considered sufficient facilities in the country - 90% of secondary schools have a basketball hoops , 73% primary schools. Basketball viewing is relatively poor in the professional game. Hmmm. Are those 73% of primary school baskets actually useable? Before our shiny new ones arrived the one basket at my kids' school had hanging off the wall for at least five years and near enough a window that I suspect they were never allowed to use it properly. No doubt they classed as one of the 73%. You can do (almost anything) with numbers.
But if netball deserved its £18mill on the grounds of participation, basketball deserves a similar amount for the same reasons. If netball needs £3mill to run a national team programme, basketball has a case for even more as there is legitimate argument that they're need to run twice as many teams. Dismissing GB's achievements at EuroBasket is just a nonsense if the comparison is with netball which has no comparable tournament. The world championship is just a glorified version of the Commonwealth Games. That the four Home Nations are all in the world top ten speaks volumes. While netball may have a case to not be treated purely on its Olympic merits, it certainly has no case for getting far more than comparable Olympic sports. We shouldn't just accept the disparity in funding between the two sports. It's public money, it's not there to be spent of the favoured sport of the person at the top of Sport England.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 29, 2017 19:18:50 GMT
At my sons school many of the girls who play netball also play basketball either just for school or for both school and a local basketball girls team and enjoy it from what I've seen None of the boys play netball of course |
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Post by r33 on Nov 29, 2017 20:12:51 GMT
As the father of a month-old daughter, I can say she'll be playing any sport she pleases except netball ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 21:12:14 GMT
As the father of a month-old daughter, I can say she'll be playing any sport she pleases except netball ;-) Congratulations  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 21:49:15 GMT
As the father of a month-old daughter, I can say she'll be playing any sport she pleases except netball ;-) . Congrats dude. I hope you called her Dave. But she will play netball. She just needs to follow in steph junior"s footsteps by continuingly passing with both hands and pissing off the netball nazi who coaches her |
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Post by r33 on Nov 30, 2017 11:29:00 GMT
As the father of a month-old daughter, I can say she'll be playing any sport she pleases except netball ;-) Congratulations Thank you! |
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Post by r33 on Nov 30, 2017 11:30:17 GMT
As the father of a month-old daughter, I can say she'll be playing any sport she pleases except netball ;-) . Congrats dude. I hope you called her Dave. But she will play netball. She just needs to follow in steph junior"s footsteps by continuingly passing with both hands and pissing off the netball nazi who coaches her Sadly Dave just missed the cut, next time maybe. Hopefully by the time she’s old enough netball will have died a death! It’s basketball without the fun. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 14:49:15 GMT
I've watched Caitlin play a bit and peeked at an older kids game when I had a free period. It's just boring. How anyone can prefer a stop/start game to an uptempo on is genuinely beyond me. It was noticeable just how ponderous the (netball) kids were at her tournament while my kids were buzzing around like whiring dervishes.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 30, 2017 18:46:02 GMT
I've watched Caitlin play a bit and peeked at an older kids game when I had a free period. It's just boring. How anyone can prefer a stop/start game to an uptempo on is genuinely beyond me. It was noticeable just how ponderous the (netball) kids were at her tournament while my kids were buzzing around like whiring dervishes. Personally I've enjoyed watching it when I've seen it on sky The allstar one they did was excellent |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 20:41:23 GMT
Clearly you're a wrong 'un
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Post by pablocheeks12 on Dec 1, 2017 20:16:34 GMT
There is a real netball network and people work together from school netball, to club netball, to county level netball, to District level and finally national level. There s a clear and defined path, and it works both ways. Players can play up to the highest level, but information regarding national competition filters right down to the schools and clubs. My daughter loves basketball, but her school doesn't have a team, so she plays netball as a Goal Shooter, with a great basketball style jump shot. Her club, an under 16 team, linked with an adult squad under the same umbrella had an allocation of tickets to the last bunch of international matches, which we could have gone to. I feel like basketball has a more segregated approach to development and communication between the different levels. With basketball it has the unfortunate feeling of an old boys network, where communication is at a minimum, and established personal wishing to stay established regardless of the effect on the sport.
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